-Magda

On Tue, 06 Mar 2007 16:12:31 +0100, in rec.travel.europe, Martin <[email protected]>
arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:

... On Tue, 06 Mar 2007 16:08:18 +0100, Magda <[email protected]> wrote:
...
... >It wasn't you - unless you are the scoundrel who didn't send me my purchases on time,
... >seven years ago.
...
... Do tell.

Sit down and wait.

Frank F. Matthews

Martin wrote:

> On Tue, 06 Mar 2007 10:33:12 +0100, Tim C. <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>Following up to gerald <[email protected]> :
>>
>>
>>>On Sun, 04 Mar 2007 13:13:05 +0100, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>The baby doesn't get a seat. I don't understand why the airline is making an
>>>>issue of it. If you just book two seats now isn't that sufficient? You can
>>>>always buy the baby's ticket later????
>>>
>>>
>>> sounds to me like they have enough intelligence to realize
>>>that it is dangerous to not put the baby in a seat or a basset of it's
>>>own.
>>
>>Babies don't fit the seats or belts. I.m.e. you get given small harness
>>that fits the baby and clips to the adult's seatbelt.
>
>
> Which we used, but always found dangerous. In a crash the mother folds over the
> baby.

Face it. In a serious crash a babies chances are quite small. In even
moderate turbulence they tend to be among the lose things that are
thrown about. That is a major problem with transporting small babies.
The problem is there with most other modes of transport as well.

Hatunen

On Tue, 06 Mar 2007 10:45:32 -0600, "Frank F. Matthews"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>
>
>Martin wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 06 Mar 2007 10:33:12 +0100, Tim C. <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Following up to gerald <[email protected]> :
>>>
>>>
>>>>On Sun, 04 Mar 2007 13:13:05 +0100, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>The baby doesn't get a seat. I don't understand why the airline is making an
>>>>>issue of it. If you just book two seats now isn't that sufficient? You can
>>>>>always buy the baby's ticket later????
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> sounds to me like they have enough intelligence to realize
>>>>that it is dangerous to not put the baby in a seat or a basset of it's
>>>>own.
>>>
>>>Babies don't fit the seats or belts. I.m.e. you get given small harness
>>>that fits the baby and clips to the adult's seatbelt.
>>
>>
>> Which we used, but always found dangerous. In a crash the mother folds over the
>> baby.
>
>Face it. In a serious crash a babies chances are quite small.

In a serious accident, a baby's chances are about as good as
anyone else's.

>In even
>moderate turbulence they tend to be among the lose things that are
>thrown about. That is a major problem with transporting small babies.
>The problem is there with most other modes of transport as well.

Use a baby seat.

--
************* DAVE HATUNEN ([email protected]) *************
* Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow *
* My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *

-Magda

On Tue, 06 Mar 2007 16:55:08 +0100, in rec.travel.europe, Martin <[email protected]>
arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:

... On Tue, 06 Mar 2007 16:27:17 +0100, Tim C. <[email protected]> wrote:
...
... >
... >>Waiting for Martin to correct you...
... >
... >nothing to correct?
...
... I think she missed her cue. She is playing the pedant peasant not the handsome
... Prince with dog crap on his shoes.

He, who??

-Martin

On Tue, 06 Mar 2007 10:45:32 -0600, "Frank F. Matthews"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>
>
>Martin wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 06 Mar 2007 10:33:12 +0100, Tim C. <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Following up to gerald <[email protected]> :
>>>
>>>
>>>>On Sun, 04 Mar 2007 13:13:05 +0100, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>The baby doesn't get a seat. I don't understand why the airline is making an
>>>>>issue of it. If you just book two seats now isn't that sufficient? You can
>>>>>always buy the baby's ticket later????
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> sounds to me like they have enough intelligence to realize
>>>>that it is dangerous to not put the baby in a seat or a basset of it's
>>>>own.
>>>
>>>Babies don't fit the seats or belts. I.m.e. you get given small harness
>>>that fits the baby and clips to the adult's seatbelt.
>>
>>
>> Which we used, but always found dangerous. In a crash the mother folds over the
>> baby.
>
>Face it.

We did. The risk is low compared to most other things in a small babies life.

Backward facing seats would solve the problem.
--

Martin

-Martin

On Tue, 06 Mar 2007 17:18:36 +0100, Magda <[email protected]> wrote:

>On Tue, 06 Mar 2007 16:05:50 +0100, in rec.travel.europe, Martin <[email protected]>
>arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:
>
> ... On Tue, 06 Mar 2007 16:04:47 +0100, Magda <[email protected]> wrote:
> ...
> ... >On Tue, 06 Mar 2007 15:25:46 +0100, in rec.travel.europe, Tim C. <[email protected]>
> ... >arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:
> ... >
> ... > ... Following up to Martin <[email protected]> :
> ... > ...
> ... > ... >How do you feel about treading in dog crap in French bought shoes with a missing
> ... > ... >sole?
> ... > ...
> ... > ... Magda sold her soul a long time ago.
> ... >
> ... >Who to??
> ...
> ... You forgot so soon?
>
>What do you mean, "so soon"?

Guess.
--

Martin

-Martin

On Tue, 06 Mar 2007 17:19:47 +0100, Magda <[email protected]> wrote:

>On Tue, 06 Mar 2007 16:27:17 +0100, in rec.travel.europe, Tim C. <[email protected]>
>arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:
>
> ...
> ... >Waiting for Martin to correct you...
> ...
> ... nothing to correct?
>
>You have a penis, he does not dare to mess with you...

Interesting!
--

Martin

-Martin

On Tue, 06 Mar 2007 09:49:05 -0700, Hatunen <[email protected]> wrote:

>On Tue, 06 Mar 2007 10:45:32 -0600, "Frank F. Matthews"
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>Martin wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 06 Mar 2007 10:33:12 +0100, Tim C. <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Following up to gerald <[email protected]> :
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>On Sun, 04 Mar 2007 13:13:05 +0100, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>The baby doesn't get a seat. I don't understand why the airline is making an
>>>>>>issue of it. If you just book two seats now isn't that sufficient? You can
>>>>>>always buy the baby's ticket later????
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> sounds to me like they have enough intelligence to realize
>>>>>that it is dangerous to not put the baby in a seat or a basset of it's
>>>>>own.
>>>>
>>>>Babies don't fit the seats or belts. I.m.e. you get given small harness
>>>>that fits the baby and clips to the adult's seatbelt.
>>>
>>>
>>> Which we used, but always found dangerous. In a crash the mother folds over the
>>> baby.
>>
>>Face it. In a serious crash a babies chances are quite small.
>
>In a serious accident, a baby's chances are about as good as
>anyone else's.
>
>>In even
>>moderate turbulence they tend to be among the lose things that are
>>thrown about. That is a major problem with transporting small babies.
>>The problem is there with most other modes of transport as well.
>
>Use a baby seat.

AFAIK most airlines
a) Don't supply them
b) Won't allow you to bring your own as hand luggage.
--

Martin

-Martin

On Tue, 06 Mar 2007 17:53:30 +0100, Magda <[email protected]> wrote:

>On Tue, 06 Mar 2007 16:55:08 +0100, in rec.travel.europe, Martin <[email protected]>
>arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:
>
> ... On Tue, 06 Mar 2007 16:27:17 +0100, Tim C. <[email protected]> wrote:
> ...
> ... >
> ... >>Waiting for Martin to correct you...
> ... >
> ... >nothing to correct?
> ...
> ... I think she missed her cue. She is playing the pedant peasant not the handsome
> ... Prince with dog crap on his shoes.
>
>He, who??

He, the smelly one.
--

Martin

-JohnT

"Martin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Tue, 6 Mar 2007 06:53:03 +0100, [email protected] (Mister Bartlett)
> wrote:
>
>>Erick T. Barkhuis <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*):
>>> > Mister Bartlett <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > > EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> > >
>>> > > > If you were on a small craft, one assumes there were not
>>> > > > hundreds of fellow-passengers to consider!
>>> > >
>>> > > Heaven forbid that Fellow Passengers should be exposed to the fact
>>> > > that
>>> > > small children are Not Silent !!!
>>> >
>>> > First it was the ravage of disease, now the noise.
>>>
>>> What about the smell?
>>
>>You're right - I hate the smell of OLD people !
>
> and KLM fish on the Rome to A'dam flight.
>
> Caught off West Africa, imported and packed in Katwijk, left standing
> somewhere
> to rot, put on a plane to Rome stored until needed at blood heat and
> served to
> the starving in business class.

That was definitely better than the breakfast which I gave away (in
Steerage) on the SFO-AMS flight.

JohnT

-JohnT

"Martin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 6 Mar 2007 02:04:55 -0800, [email protected] wrote:
>
>>On 5 mrt, 21:39, Tom Peel <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> Did you ever stop to wonder why we didn't do just that?
>>> Budget airlines here use extortioniate call center telephone numbers to
>>> handle customer questions. They make almost as much money on customer
>>> phone calls as they do flying customers around.
>>> T.
>>
>>I would say that making a holiday arrangement for an unborn child is a
>>risky business. Before Bartlette was born we did NOTHING by way of
>>preparation in terms of, say, buying a cot, clothing etc. It just felt
>>to us like bad karma. Plans can go astray. Pray that nothing goes
>>wrong, but it can do, and the mother and/or baby may not be fit to
>>travel when you're planning your holiday. Why not just wait? Otherwise
>>just put the cost of the phone call into the category of necessary
>>expenses.
>
> One solution that meets TUI's terms and conditions is to decide now on the
> names
> to be given for a girl or boy. Each parent is allowed to be accompanied by
> one
> child, each parent books one child at a cost of EUR 10.
> If Tom's wife has twins of the same sex then ... good luck to the
> passengers.
> --

They could, of course, be given "unisex" names. For example, isn't Claude
usually female if French and male if Anglo-Saxon.

JohnT

-Martin

On Tue, 6 Mar 2007 17:10:58 -0000, "JohnT" <[email protected]> wrote:

>
>"Martin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected].. .
>> On Tue, 6 Mar 2007 06:53:03 +0100, [email protected] (Mister Bartlett)
>> wrote:
>>
>>>Erick T. Barkhuis <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*):
>>>> > Mister Bartlett <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > > EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> > >
>>>> > > > If you were on a small craft, one assumes there were not
>>>> > > > hundreds of fellow-passengers to consider!
>>>> > >
>>>> > > Heaven forbid that Fellow Passengers should be exposed to the fact
>>>> > > that
>>>> > > small children are Not Silent !!!
>>>> >
>>>> > First it was the ravage of disease, now the noise.
>>>>
>>>> What about the smell?
>>>
>>>You're right - I hate the smell of OLD people !
>>
>> and KLM fish on the Rome to A'dam flight.
>>
>> Caught off West Africa, imported and packed in Katwijk, left standing
>> somewhere
>> to rot, put on a plane to Rome stored until needed at blood heat and
>> served to
>> the starving in business class.
>
>That was definitely better than the breakfast which I gave away (in
>Steerage) on the SFO-AMS flight.

I don't recall anybody ever eating the fish.
--

Martin

-Magda

On Tue, 06 Mar 2007 17:57:30 +0100, in rec.travel.europe, Martin <[email protected]>
arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:

... On Tue, 06 Mar 2007 17:18:36 +0100, Magda <[email protected]> wrote:
...
... >On Tue, 06 Mar 2007 16:05:50 +0100, in rec.travel.europe, Martin <[email protected]>
... >arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:
... >
... > ... On Tue, 06 Mar 2007 16:04:47 +0100, Magda <[email protected]> wrote:
... > ...
... > ... >On Tue, 06 Mar 2007 15:25:46 +0100, in rec.travel.europe, Tim C. <[email protected]>
... > ... >arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:
... > ... >
... > ... > ... Following up to Martin <[email protected]> :
... > ... > ...
... > ... > ... >How do you feel about treading in dog crap in French bought shoes with a missing
... > ... > ... >sole?
... > ... > ...
... > ... > ... Magda sold her soul a long time ago.
... > ... >
... > ... >Who to??
... > ...
... > ... You forgot so soon?
... >
... >What do you mean, "so soon"?
...
... Guess.

Make up your mind (if you have one, that is) - Tim says it was "long ago".

-Magda

On Tue, 06 Mar 2007 17:58:01 +0100, in rec.travel.europe, Martin <[email protected]>
arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:

... On Tue, 06 Mar 2007 17:19:47 +0100, Magda <[email protected]> wrote:
...
... >On Tue, 06 Mar 2007 16:27:17 +0100, in rec.travel.europe, Tim C. <[email protected]>
... >arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:
... >
... > ...
... > ... >Waiting for Martin to correct you...
... > ...
... > ... nothing to correct?
... >
... >You have a penis, he does not dare to mess with you...
...
... Interesting!

Obvious.

-Martin

On Tue, 6 Mar 2007 17:15:51 -0000, "JohnT" <[email protected]> wrote:

>
>"Martin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected].. .
>> On 6 Mar 2007 02:04:55 -0800, [email protected] wrote:
>>
>>>On 5 mrt, 21:39, Tom Peel <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Did you ever stop to wonder why we didn't do just that?
>>>> Budget airlines here use extortioniate call center telephone numbers to
>>>> handle customer questions. They make almost as much money on customer
>>>> phone calls as they do flying customers around.
>>>> T.
>>>
>>>I would say that making a holiday arrangement for an unborn child is a
>>>risky business. Before Bartlette was born we did NOTHING by way of
>>>preparation in terms of, say, buying a cot, clothing etc. It just felt
>>>to us like bad karma. Plans can go astray. Pray that nothing goes
>>>wrong, but it can do, and the mother and/or baby may not be fit to
>>>travel when you're planning your holiday. Why not just wait? Otherwise
>>>just put the cost of the phone call into the category of necessary
>>>expenses.
>>
>> One solution that meets TUI's terms and conditions is to decide now on the
>> names
>> to be given for a girl or boy. Each parent is allowed to be accompanied by
>> one
>> child, each parent books one child at a cost of EUR 10.
>> If Tom's wife has twins of the same sex then ... good luck to the
>> passengers.
>> --
>
>They could, of course, be given "unisex" names. For example, isn't Claude
>usually female if French and male if Anglo-Saxon.

Claude sounds too much like bollocks in Dutch.

The French Claudes I worked with talked bollocks and were both male.

How about Britney/Bretagne?

or Robin?
--

Martin