Jeremyrh Geo

On 7 mrt, 11:45, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 7 Mar 2007 02:18:53 -0800, [email protected] wrote:
>
> >On 7 mrt, 11:11, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> On Wed, 7 Mar 2007 06:42:26 +0100, [email protected] (Mister Bartlett) wrote:
> >> >EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >> >> [email protected] wrote:

> >> >What's "polite" about asking someone to stop doing what they're enjoying
> >> >doing? Maybe what's polite is for you to just shut up?
>
> >> JFC you have gone native.
>
> >Heh heh! "Live and let live" as they say locally!!! I'll be wearing
> >clogs and smoking stinky cigars next!!
>
> Don't forget the clay pipe and baggy trousers.

I thought that was just for the women?

B;

Jim Ley

On Tue, 06 Mar 2007 12:44:11 -0700, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Jim Ley wrote:
>> Erm, Those big things on either wing (or right at the back on some odd
>> planes) make a hell of a lot of racket, so where's this reasonably
>> quiet journey on a plane?
>>
>> If you don't want to travel with other passengers, get a private
>> plane.
>
>For the same reason YOU don't - I'm not independently
>wealthy!

Then the other alternative is not to travel, given those two aren't
very good options, be more understanding and forgiving to the other
passengers on the plane.

> (Are you?)

Certainly not - I'm a homeless person, getting a private plane would
certainly be an extravagance before a place to live, but I couldn't
afford one made out of more than paper anyway.

Jim.

The Reid

On Wed, 07 Mar 2007 11:03:45 GMT, [email protected] (Jim Ley) wrote:

>>For the same reason YOU don't - I'm not independently
>>wealthy!
>
>Then the other alternative is not to travel, given those two aren't
>very good options, be more understanding and forgiving to the other
>passengers on the plane.

so the logic is if we cant afford to travel "first class" then we have
to tolerant of poor behavior?
So if I travel on something *very* cheap like a bus, then I have to
tolerate even worse behavior, dirty feet on seats, spitting, swearing,
scrathinig the windows? I knew there was a reason I dont use busues.
--
Mike Reid
UK walking, food, photos "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
Spain walking, food, tourism "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk"
Beginners UK flight sim addons "http://www.lawn-mower-man.co.uk"

David Horne

The Reid <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Tue, 06 Mar 2007 12:44:11 -0700, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >> If you don't want to travel with other passengers, get a private
> >> plane.
> >
> >For the same reason YOU don't - I'm not independently
> >wealthy! (Are you?)
>
> this is why I prefer to travel by car and ferry when I can, flying
> stinks unless you are very wealthy.

I don't have any problem flying, but it helps being short. Off to
Cologne tomorrow (that's K�ln for you, Reid!) to see an entire Wagner
Ring Cycle over the weekend. Following weekend fying to Bergen to visit
my brother and his family. I don't find flying stinks at all...

--
(*) ... of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate
David Horne- http://www.davidhorne.net
(don't email yahoo address) usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk

David Horne

The Reid <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Wed, 07 Mar 2007 11:03:45 GMT, [email protected] (Jim Ley) wrote:
>
> >>For the same reason YOU don't - I'm not independently
> >>wealthy!
> >
> >Then the other alternative is not to travel, given those two aren't
> >very good options, be more understanding and forgiving to the other
> >passengers on the plane.
>
> so the logic is if we cant afford to travel "first class" then we have
> to tolerant of poor behavior?
> So if I travel on something *very* cheap like a bus, then I have to
> tolerate even worse behavior, dirty feet on seats, spitting, swearing,
> scrathinig the windows? I knew there was a reason I dont use busues.

Maybe you should change your attitude a bit too. Travelled fairly
cheaply up to Manchester from London today (�25 return) and it was a
very civilised journey. Got a heck of a lot of work done on the laptop
too.

--
(*) ... of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate
David Horne- http://www.davidhorne.net
(don't email yahoo address) usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk

The Reid

On Wed, 7 Mar 2007 14:14:50 +0000, [email protected] (David Horne,
_the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:

>to see an entire Wagner
>Ring Cycle over the weekend.

how long will it be?
--
Mike Reid
UK walking, food, photos "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
Spain walking, food, tourism "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk"
Beginners UK flight sim addons "http://www.lawn-mower-man.co.uk"

The Reid

On Wed, 7 Mar 2007 14:14:50 +0000, [email protected] (David Horne,
_the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:

>> So if I travel on something *very* cheap like a bus, then I have to
>> tolerate even worse behavior, dirty feet on seats, spitting, swearing,
>> scrathinig the windows? I knew there was a reason I dont use busues.
>
>Maybe you should change your attitude a bit too.

I'm exploring the received attitude, I didn't realsie we were actually
*expected* to put up with oiks!
--
Mike Reid
UK walking, food, photos "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
Spain walking, food, tourism "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk"
Beginners UK flight sim addons "http://www.lawn-mower-man.co.uk"

David Horne

The Reid <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Wed, 7 Mar 2007 14:14:50 +0000, [email protected] (David Horne,
> _the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:
>
> >to see an entire Wagner
> >Ring Cycle over the weekend.
>
> how long will it be?

Depends how fast they ride those Valkyries! Between 15-17 hours- it's in
4 parts, or a prologue (Das Rheingold) and three operas (Die Walk�re,
Siegfried and G�tterd�mmerung.) two on Saturday, two on Sunday.

--
(*) ... of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate
David Horne- http://www.davidhorne.net
(don't email yahoo address) usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk

David Horne

The Reid <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Wed, 7 Mar 2007 14:14:50 +0000, [email protected] (David Horne,
> _the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:
>
> >> So if I travel on something *very* cheap like a bus, then I have to
> >> tolerate even worse behavior, dirty feet on seats, spitting, swearing,
> >> scrathinig the windows? I knew there was a reason I dont use busues.
> >
> >Maybe you should change your attitude a bit too.
>
> I'm exploring the received attitude, I didn't realsie we were actually
> *expected* to put up with oiks!

You're not, but you have this surreal view of public transport being
constantly inhabited by oiks. That's not the reality on most of my
journeys.

--
(*) ... of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate
David Horne- http://www.davidhorne.net
(don't email yahoo address) usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk

-Magda

On Wed, 7 Mar 2007 14:14:50 +0000, in rec.travel.europe, [email protected] (David Horne,
_the_ chancellor (*)) arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:

... The Reid <[email protected]> wrote:
...
... > On Wed, 07 Mar 2007 11:03:45 GMT, [email protected] (Jim Ley) wrote:
... >
... > >>For the same reason YOU don't - I'm not independently
... > >>wealthy!
... > >
... > >Then the other alternative is not to travel, given those two aren't
... > >very good options, be more understanding and forgiving to the other
... > >passengers on the plane.
... >
... > so the logic is if we cant afford to travel "first class" then we have
... > to tolerant of poor behavior?
... > So if I travel on something *very* cheap like a bus, then I have to
... > tolerate even worse behavior, dirty feet on seats, spitting, swearing,
... > scrathinig the windows? I knew there was a reason I dont use busues.
...
... Maybe you should change your attitude a bit too.

Being tolerant to bad behaviour is not going to solve the problem - which is NOT
"attitude".

Travelled fairly
... cheaply up to Manchester from London today (�25 return) and it was a
... very civilised journey. Got a heck of a lot of work done on the laptop
... too.

Jim Ley

On Wed, 07 Mar 2007 12:52:41 +0000, The Reid <[email protected]>
wrote:

>On Wed, 07 Mar 2007 11:03:45 GMT, [email protected] (Jim Ley) wrote:
>
>>>For the same reason YOU don't - I'm not independently
>>>wealthy!
>>
>>Then the other alternative is not to travel, given those two aren't
>>very good options, be more understanding and forgiving to the other
>>passengers on the plane.
>
>so the logic is if we cant afford to travel "first class" then we have
>to tolerant of poor behavior?

No, I think people should be tolerant of poor behaviour in general, I
don't think intolerance is a good thing, certainly when it's over
obesity or crying children.

And travelling first class is no barrier to poor behaviour (there was
a report in the papers of the last couple of days for example.

Jim

Jeremyrh Geo

On 7 mrt, 15:47, Magda <[email protected]> wrote:

> Being tolerant to bad behaviour is not going to solve the problem

Not as long as you define "bad behaviour" as "what I don't like".

B;

-Magda

On 7 Mar 2007 06:57:36 -0800, in rec.travel.europe, [email protected] arranged some
electrons, so they looked like this:

... On 7 mrt, 15:47, Magda <[email protected]> wrote:
...
... > Being tolerant to bad behaviour is not going to solve the problem
...
... Not as long as you define "bad behaviour" as "what I don't like".

Great. Make us a list of bad behaviour you "like".

-Magda

On Wed, 07 Mar 2007 14:55:04 GMT, in rec.travel.europe, [email protected] (Jim Ley)
arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:

... On Wed, 07 Mar 2007 12:52:41 +0000, The Reid <[email protected]>
... wrote:
...
... >On Wed, 07 Mar 2007 11:03:45 GMT, [email protected] (Jim Ley) wrote:
... >
... >>>For the same reason YOU don't - I'm not independently
... >>>wealthy!
... >>
... >>Then the other alternative is not to travel, given those two aren't
... >>very good options, be more understanding and forgiving to the other
... >>passengers on the plane.
... >
... >so the logic is if we cant afford to travel "first class" then we have
... >to tolerant of poor behavior?
...
... No, I think people should be tolerant of poor behaviour in general, I
... don't think intolerance is a good thing, certainly when it's over
... obesity or crying children.
...
... And travelling first class is no barrier to poor behaviour (there was
... a report in the papers of the last couple of days for example.

Very poor example.

The Reid

On Wed, 7 Mar 2007 14:45:11 +0000, [email protected] (David Horne,
_the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:

>> how long will it be?
>
>Depends how fast they ride those Valkyries! Between 15-17 hours- it's in
>4 parts, or a prologue (Das Rheingold) and three operas (Die Walk�re,
>Siegfried and G�tterd�mmerung.) two on Saturday, two on Sunday.

wimps, they should play it continuously! :-)
--
Mike Reid
UK walking, food, photos "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
Spain walking, food, tourism "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk"
Beginners UK flight sim addons "http://www.lawn-mower-man.co.uk"