Jens Arne Maennig

nitram wrote:

    > Null Point! :-)

Allemagne: zero points
Germany: zéro points
Deutschland: Null Punkte

Still wondering if I should go to Kyiv for the weekend.

Jens

Nitram

On Thu, 19 May 2005 19:42:44 +0200, Jens Arne Maennig
<[email protected]> wrote:

    >Juliana L Holm wrote:
    >> You might stop in Nordlingen also, if that makes sense. Make it an
    >> option.
    >Well, Nördlingen is a nice town, just like the other ones on the route,
    >but the Bavarian Railway Museum in Nördlingen
    >(http://www.bayerisches-eisenbahnmuseum.de/, in German only but have a
    >look at http://www.bayerisches-eisenbahnmuse...euge/fztab.htm)
    >might be worth a visit to entertain the 5.5 year old for a while. Mine
    >had lots of fun there in this age.
    >Don't expect any shinyness, it's *very* authentic in and around the old
    >roundhouse.

Duh! I have stopped over night several times in Nördlingen, whilst
driving down the Romantische Straße to Fussen. I didn't know there was
a railway museum. I only remember that the town has city walls like
York, which has the biggest, best railway museum in the world.

Nitram

On Thu, 19 May 2005 19:48:07 +0200, Jens Arne Maennig
<[email protected]> wrote:

    >Juliana L Holm wrote:
    >> I'd hit Neuschwanstein when it opens, as it gets incredibly crowded,
    >> with long sweaty waits, later in the day. Actually get there before
    >> it opens.
    >Since the admission system changed some years ago, it's much better you
    >just buy a ticket for a certain time at the ticket center in the village
    >or even better book it by phone and just pick it up upon arrival, go up
    >there and get in at your reserved time. No more lines in front of the
    >entrance. See
    >http://www.neuschwanstein.de/english.../admission.htm.

This involves a bit of careful planning if you are not so fit or
intend to take a break for a drink on the way up. I remember the days
when you had to hang around waiting for enough people to turn up to
make a tour. We usually took the German tour because it was more
frequent and the wait was less.

Nitram

On Thu, 19 May 2005 19:59:10 +0200, Jens Arne Maennig
<[email protected]> wrote:

    >nitram wrote:
    >> Null Point! :-)
    >Allemagne: zero points
    >Germany: zéro points
    >Deutschland: Null Punkte

Italy MIA!

    >Still wondering if I should go to Kyiv for the weekend.

Will you be performing?

EU constitution referendum

Germany: Ja! but no referendum.
France: Non - perfidious Albion, a bas les rost boef!
Netherlands: Nee bedankt. Give us back our guilder!
UK: What constitution?

Erilar

In article <[email protected] .com>,
"Sudipto" <[email protected]> wrote:

    > 3. Burg Stahlek in Bacharach seems up a hill. Can I drive right to it
    > or do I need to park somewhat afar. The reason I ask is that we would
    > be having 2 suitcases & I would not want to lug them a long way. Also
    > is Burg Stahlek decent from a family point of view ?

I travel by train when in Germany, so I have no advice to offer on
driving, but I have stayed in the JH Burg Stahleck. I believe there's a
parking place above the castle, but don't know more than that. Between
the first time I stayed there in 1981 and the second in 1997, there was
some really dramatic remodeling done. My daughter, two grandchildren,
and I were split into 2 double rooms, one with its own WC with shower,
the other in another part of the building that shared WC and shower with
another room up a stairs. The rooms were nice, though nowhere near each
other, despite the fact that I'd made reservations months in advance.
The cafeteria doubled as "bar" in the evening, unlike most youth hostels
I've stayed in. The location is really lovely, and views along the Rhein
from the courtyard are spectacular. The town of Bacharach is my favorite
along the Rhein 8-)

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In article <[email protected]>, Juliana L Holm
<[email protected]> wrote:

    > BB <[email protected]> wrote:
    > > taxes/fees). You'll want to get to the castles at 8-8:30, otherwise
    > > there'll be a huge lag between the time you buy tickets and the time
    > > you
    > > get to tour. If you buy early, you'll be done by about noon. There's a
    > > lot
    >
    > Note that Hohenschwangau is much easier to get into than Neuschwanstein.
    > Go to Neuschwanstein first.


Hohenschwangau also has more history, but then I got sick of
Neuschwanstein pretty quickly--it's a must when you travel with students
8-(

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Nitram

On Thu, 19 May 2005 13:42:39 -0500, erilar
<[email protected]> wrote:

    >In article <[email protected]>, Juliana L Holm
    ><[email protected]> wrote:
    >> BB <[email protected]> wrote:
    >> > taxes/fees). You'll want to get to the castles at 8-8:30, otherwise
    >> > there'll be a huge lag between the time you buy tickets and the time
    >> > you
    >> > get to tour. If you buy early, you'll be done by about noon. There's a
    >> > lot
    >>
    >> Note that Hohenschwangau is much easier to get into than Neuschwanstein.
    >> Go to Neuschwanstein first.
    >Hohenschwangau also has more history, but then I got sick of
    >Neuschwanstein pretty quickly--it's a must when you travel with students
    >8-(

We found Schloss Linderhof much more interesting internally and the
grotto is nice.

Jens Arne Maennig

nitram wrote:

    > We usually took the German tour because it was more
    > frequent and the wait was less.

I enjoyed my last one in French, this time with some business partners
from Québec.

Jens

Nitram

On Thu, 19 May 2005 21:02:57 +0200, Jens Arne Maennig
<[email protected]> wrote:

    >nitram wrote:
    >> We usually took the German tour because it was more
    >> frequent and the wait was less.
    >I enjoyed my last one in French, this time with some business partners
    >from Québec.

Next time take them to the restaurant in the hotel in Aying and ask
for the menu in French. You'll be amazed what is on offer in French.

Juliana L Holm

nitram <[email protected]> wrote:

    >>Hohenschwangau also has more history, but then I got sick of
    >>Neuschwanstein pretty quickly--it's a must when you travel with students
    >>8-(

    > We found Schloss Linderhof much more interesting internally and the
    > grotto is nice.

In 2001 we went with kids. My husband and I had been to both Hohenschwangau
and Neuschwanstein, and one daughter had been to both Neuschwanstein and
Linderhof the year before. I decided that we'd do one of Ludwig's castles
and left it up to the kids. My daughter convinced her siblings that Linderhof
was much better. We did pass through F?ssen on the way to Mittenwald,
and stopped after hours to walk up and see the outside of Neuschwanstein,
but toured Linderhof.

Julie

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Jens Arne Maennig

nitram wrote:

    > Next time take them to the restaurant in the hotel in Aying and ask
    > for the menu in French. You'll be amazed what is on offer in French.

Grenouilles et foie gras à la bière blanc?

Jens

Nitram

On Thu, 19 May 2005 19:11:47 +0000 (UTC), Juliana L Holm
<[email protected]> wrote:

    >nitram <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>>Hohenschwangau also has more history, but then I got sick of
    >>>Neuschwanstein pretty quickly--it's a must when you travel with students
    >>>8-(
    >> We found Schloss Linderhof much more interesting internally and the
    >> grotto is nice.
    >In 2001 we went with kids. My husband and I had been to both Hohenschwangau
    >and Neuschwanstein, and one daughter had been to both Neuschwanstein and
    >Linderhof the year before. I decided that we'd do one of Ludwig's castles
    >and left it up to the kids. My daughter convinced her siblings that Linderhof
    >was much better.

There's more for kids at Linderhof, both my kids liked it.
My daughter remembers hiring a rowing boat at Hohenschwangau and
swimming in the lake best. Especially the bit where she and I
discovered that the water was so clear that we could see hundreds of
small leaches, just where we were swimming.
It's surprising how few people walk along the bank of the lake to the
swimming place where there is a small cafe.
We stayed several times in a hotel about 2-3 km from Hohenschwangau on
the road to Fussen. It was quite cheap. The food in the restaurant was
cheap and good.

Nitram

On Thu, 19 May 2005 21:20:00 +0200, Jens Arne Maennig
<[email protected]> wrote:

    >nitram wrote:
    >> Next time take them to the restaurant in the hotel in Aying and ask
    >> for the menu in French. You'll be amazed what is on offer in French.
    >Grenouilles et foie gras à la bière blanc?

That sort of thing. Not much good for a chap from France, who wants
real Bavarian food. One did manage to order a very large Salzburger
Knockerl for himself

Bb

On Thu, 19 May 2005 15:54:26 +0000 (UTC), Juliana L Holm wrote:

    >> They give you scheduled tours when you buy the tickets, and I'm pretty
    >> sure Hohenschwangau is always first on the schedule.
    >
    > I think you can book them separately. If there is a combination ticket which
    > saves money, this may be true. It was not when I toured both last, but
    > that was in 1989

Hey you're right, you can buy them separately! The "King's Ticket" for
both is only one Euro less.

http://www.hohenschwangau.de/ticketcenter0.0.html

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On Thu, 19 May 2005 18:22:43 +0200, nitram wrote:

    >>I'd not. It's quite a bit of a drive and the OP has small children.
    >>Hohenschwangau is charming, and different. Linderhof is great. She can
    >>do it on the next trip. With kids and all this driving, it's too much.
    >
    > We did the trip with small children. She has to drive to get to
    > Munich. She may as well go the pretty way.

Its a pretty drive, but a rather long one for the kids. It also affords
the opportunity to stop by Oberammergau (for gelato!) and Wies church. We
did this (in the opposite direction, looping back to Fussen) after touring
Hochenschwangau and Neuschwanstein in the morning, but Linderhof was
closed by the time we got there.

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