Greece - been there recently?
Jan 25th 2007, 1:26 am
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Re: Greece - been there recently?
On Thu, 25 Jan 2007 14:04:26 GMT, "a.spencer3" <[email protected]> wrote:
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>"The Reid" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>> On 23 Jan 2007 11:05:35 -0800, [email protected] wrote:
>>
>> >I hear horror stories about the "Mallorca-fication" of places like
>> >Rhodes or Corfu,
>>
>> Mallorca-fication is a partial myth. There are some fairly unpleasant
>> spots spoiled by oafish brits and Germans eating chips and getting
>> drunk, but the majority of the island is still pleasant. I think you
>> just have to ensure you avoid such spots in Greece. I wouldn't know
>> where they were. Perhaps someone else can advise.
>> --
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>Crete: I'd suggest avoiding Heraklion and east along the north coast. West
>and south should be fine.
The south east coast doesn't have any nice beaches. The north east coast has
sandy beaches and is OK outside the UK holiday period.
>
>Rhodes: Avoid Faliraki obviously, and much of modern Rhodes town beaches.
>Most else should be OK.
I find the Peleponnesos, better than either Crete or Rhodes.
--
Martin
>
>"The Reid" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected].. .
>> On 23 Jan 2007 11:05:35 -0800, [email protected] wrote:
>>
>> >I hear horror stories about the "Mallorca-fication" of places like
>> >Rhodes or Corfu,
>>
>> Mallorca-fication is a partial myth. There are some fairly unpleasant
>> spots spoiled by oafish brits and Germans eating chips and getting
>> drunk, but the majority of the island is still pleasant. I think you
>> just have to ensure you avoid such spots in Greece. I wouldn't know
>> where they were. Perhaps someone else can advise.
>> --
>
>Crete: I'd suggest avoiding Heraklion and east along the north coast. West
>and south should be fine.
The south east coast doesn't have any nice beaches. The north east coast has
sandy beaches and is OK outside the UK holiday period.
>
>Rhodes: Avoid Faliraki obviously, and much of modern Rhodes town beaches.
>Most else should be OK.
I find the Peleponnesos, better than either Crete or Rhodes.
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Martin
Jan 25th 2007, 1:31 am
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Re: Greece - been there recently?
On Wed, 24 Jan 2007 23:09:27 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne,
_the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:
>Tonight was my last night as a visiting professor at the conservatory
>here in Barcelona,
you're so bloody flash, David! Why cant you be in IT or HR like
everybody else? :-)
Mind you, I just recorded some ragas, impressed? You shouldn't be, I'm
just copying my vinyl to MP3 for the iThingy. We bought an iStation
for it, neat fold up Hi Fi for traveling. Where was i?
>so some of the students asked if I'd like to go for a
>drink after the last class. Was 10 of us, and several rounds of beers
>and some tapas, later, I decided to pay. On the way to the bar, I
>checked to see if I had enough money, hoping 80 euros would cover it.
>The bill was 22!
imagine several rounds + snacks for 10 in London!
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_the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:
>Tonight was my last night as a visiting professor at the conservatory
>here in Barcelona,
you're so bloody flash, David! Why cant you be in IT or HR like
everybody else? :-)
Mind you, I just recorded some ragas, impressed? You shouldn't be, I'm
just copying my vinyl to MP3 for the iThingy. We bought an iStation
for it, neat fold up Hi Fi for traveling. Where was i?
>so some of the students asked if I'd like to go for a
>drink after the last class. Was 10 of us, and several rounds of beers
>and some tapas, later, I decided to pay. On the way to the bar, I
>checked to see if I had enough money, hoping 80 euros would cover it.
>The bill was 22!
imagine several rounds + snacks for 10 in London!
--
Mike Reid
UK walking, food, photos "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
Spain walking, food, tourism "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk"
Beginners UK flight sim addons "http://www.lawn-mower-man.co.uk"
Jan 25th 2007, 1:36 am
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Re: Greece - been there recently?
On Thu, 25 Jan 2007 14:04:26 GMT, "a.spencer3"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Faliraki
that's the place!
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<[email protected]> wrote:
>Faliraki
that's the place!
--
Mike Reid
UK walking, food, photos "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
Spain walking, food, tourism "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk"
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Jan 25th 2007, 1:45 am
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Re: Greece - been there recently?
On 25 jan, 15:26, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
> I find the Peleponnesos, better than either Crete or Rhodes.
Another vote for Peleponnesos, especially as our house there is now
habitable (no thanks to the plumber who thought it was a good idea for
the toilets to flush onto the patio.)
B;
> I find the Peleponnesos, better than either Crete or Rhodes.
Another vote for Peleponnesos, especially as our house there is now
habitable (no thanks to the plumber who thought it was a good idea for
the toilets to flush onto the patio.)
B;
Jan 25th 2007, 1:56 am
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Re: Greece - been there recently?
The Reid <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Wed, 24 Jan 2007 23:13:13 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne,
> _the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:
>
> >I haven't been to Greece since the euro, but based on trips in 1993,
> >1996, then 2000 and 2001, there seemed to be increases on every trip.
> >The euro certainly must have increased prices- it did so everywhere
> >else.
>
> or do "rich" foreign tourists push up prices?
It's been getting visitors for quite a while though.
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> On Wed, 24 Jan 2007 23:13:13 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne,
> _the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:
>
> >I haven't been to Greece since the euro, but based on trips in 1993,
> >1996, then 2000 and 2001, there seemed to be increases on every trip.
> >The euro certainly must have increased prices- it did so everywhere
> >else.
>
> or do "rich" foreign tourists push up prices?
It's been getting visitors for quite a while though.
--
(*) ... of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate
David Horne- http://www.davidhorne.net
(don't email yahoo address) usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk
Jan 25th 2007, 1:56 am
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Re: Greece - been there recently?
The Reid <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Wed, 24 Jan 2007 23:09:27 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne,
> _the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:
[]
> >so some of the students asked if I'd like to go for a
> >drink after the last class. Was 10 of us, and several rounds of beers
> >and some tapas, later, I decided to pay. On the way to the bar, I
> >checked to see if I had enough money, hoping 80 euros would cover it.
> >The bill was 22!
>
> imagine several rounds + snacks for 10 in London!
80 pounds if you're lucky!
--
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David Horne- http://www.davidhorne.net
(don't email yahoo address) usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk
> On Wed, 24 Jan 2007 23:09:27 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne,
> _the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:
[]
> >so some of the students asked if I'd like to go for a
> >drink after the last class. Was 10 of us, and several rounds of beers
> >and some tapas, later, I decided to pay. On the way to the bar, I
> >checked to see if I had enough money, hoping 80 euros would cover it.
> >The bill was 22!
>
> imagine several rounds + snacks for 10 in London!
80 pounds if you're lucky!
--
(*) ... of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate
David Horne- http://www.davidhorne.net
(don't email yahoo address) usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk
Jan 25th 2007, 2:24 am
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Re: Greece - been there recently?
On 25 Jan 2007 06:45:52 -0800, [email protected] wrote:
>
>
>On 25 jan, 15:26, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> I find the Peleponnesos, better than either Crete or Rhodes.
>
>Another vote for Peleponnesos, especially as our house there is now
>habitable (no thanks to the plumber who thought it was a good idea for
>the toilets to flush onto the patio.)
"flush"? Do the Greeks have a word for it. :-)
--
Martin
>
>
>On 25 jan, 15:26, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> I find the Peleponnesos, better than either Crete or Rhodes.
>
>Another vote for Peleponnesos, especially as our house there is now
>habitable (no thanks to the plumber who thought it was a good idea for
>the toilets to flush onto the patio.)
"flush"? Do the Greeks have a word for it. :-)
--
Martin
Jan 25th 2007, 2:28 am
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Re: Greece - been there recently?
On Thu, 25 Jan 2007 14:56:12 +0000, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
chancellor (*)) wrote:
>The Reid <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 24 Jan 2007 23:13:13 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne,
>> _the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:
>>
>> >I haven't been to Greece since the euro, but based on trips in 1993,
>> >1996, then 2000 and 2001, there seemed to be increases on every trip.
>> >The euro certainly must have increased prices- it did so everywhere
>> >else.
>>
>> or do "rich" foreign tourists push up prices?
>
>It's been getting visitors for quite a while though.
Predominantly not so rich, or invaders.
I never understood why in May the islands were full of topless Scandinavian
women travelling in pairs or alone, but no sign of any Scandinavian men.
I never understood why nobody spread the word, when I was single.
--
Martin
chancellor (*)) wrote:
>The Reid <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 24 Jan 2007 23:13:13 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne,
>> _the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:
>>
>> >I haven't been to Greece since the euro, but based on trips in 1993,
>> >1996, then 2000 and 2001, there seemed to be increases on every trip.
>> >The euro certainly must have increased prices- it did so everywhere
>> >else.
>>
>> or do "rich" foreign tourists push up prices?
>
>It's been getting visitors for quite a while though.
Predominantly not so rich, or invaders.
I never understood why in May the islands were full of topless Scandinavian
women travelling in pairs or alone, but no sign of any Scandinavian men.
I never understood why nobody spread the word, when I was single.
--
Martin
Jan 25th 2007, 2:34 am
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[email protected] schrieb:
> On 25 jan, 09:24, Volker Hetzer <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> My first impression was always the dirt.
>
> Eh? Dirt? Are you Howard Hughes?
No.
I'm simply not used of almost every road lined with empty plastic bottles,
plastic bags, old fridges and whatnot.
Volker
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> On 25 jan, 09:24, Volker Hetzer <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> My first impression was always the dirt.
>
> Eh? Dirt? Are you Howard Hughes?
No.
I'm simply not used of almost every road lined with empty plastic bottles,
plastic bags, old fridges and whatnot.
Volker
--
For email replies, please substitute the obvious.
Jan 25th 2007, 2:39 am
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Re: Greece - been there recently?
On 25 jan, 16:34, Volker Hetzer <[email protected]> wrote:
> [email protected] schrieb:> On 25 jan, 09:24, Volker Hetzer <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >> My first impression was always the dirt.
>
> > Eh? Dirt? Are you Howard Hughes?No.
> I'm simply not used of almost every road lined with empty plastic bottles,
> plastic bags, old fridges and whatnot.
That's probably trash being put out for collection, which occurs - in
Athens anyway - several times a week, unlike here (NL, once a week) or
UK (some areas once every two weeks).
B;
> [email protected] schrieb:> On 25 jan, 09:24, Volker Hetzer <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >> My first impression was always the dirt.
>
> > Eh? Dirt? Are you Howard Hughes?No.
> I'm simply not used of almost every road lined with empty plastic bottles,
> plastic bags, old fridges and whatnot.
That's probably trash being put out for collection, which occurs - in
Athens anyway - several times a week, unlike here (NL, once a week) or
UK (some areas once every two weeks).
B;
Jan 25th 2007, 2:59 am
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Re: Greece - been there recently?
On 25 Jan 2007 07:39:05 -0800, [email protected] wrote:
>
>
>On 25 jan, 16:34, Volker Hetzer <[email protected]> wrote:
>> [email protected] schrieb:> On 25 jan, 09:24, Volker Hetzer <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> >> My first impression was always the dirt.
>>
>> > Eh? Dirt? Are you Howard Hughes?No.
>
>> I'm simply not used of almost every road lined with empty plastic bottles,
>> plastic bags, old fridges and whatnot.
>
>That's probably trash being put out for collection, which occurs - in
>Athens anyway - several times a week, unlike here (NL, once a week) or
>UK (some areas once every two weeks).
Organic and inorganic are collected in alternate weeks in the Leiden area.
In Greece I have seen northern Europeans collecting PEP bottles to take home for
the 25cent deposit. The PEP bottles and other rubbish were mainly thrown away by
French and Italian camper van driving tourists as far as I could see.
--
Martin
>
>
>On 25 jan, 16:34, Volker Hetzer <[email protected]> wrote:
>> [email protected] schrieb:> On 25 jan, 09:24, Volker Hetzer <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> >> My first impression was always the dirt.
>>
>> > Eh? Dirt? Are you Howard Hughes?No.
>
>> I'm simply not used of almost every road lined with empty plastic bottles,
>> plastic bags, old fridges and whatnot.
>
>That's probably trash being put out for collection, which occurs - in
>Athens anyway - several times a week, unlike here (NL, once a week) or
>UK (some areas once every two weeks).
Organic and inorganic are collected in alternate weeks in the Leiden area.
In Greece I have seen northern Europeans collecting PEP bottles to take home for
the 25cent deposit. The PEP bottles and other rubbish were mainly thrown away by
French and Italian camper van driving tourists as far as I could see.
--
Martin
Jan 25th 2007, 3:01 am
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Re: Greece - been there recently?
On Thu, 25 Jan 2007 16:34:11 +0100, Volker Hetzer <[email protected]>
wrote:
>[email protected] schrieb:
>> On 25 jan, 09:24, Volker Hetzer <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> My first impression was always the dirt.
>>
>> Eh? Dirt? Are you Howard Hughes?
>No.
>I'm simply not used of almost every road lined with empty plastic bottles,
>plastic bags, old fridges and whatnot.
There are other places in Europe where you could get used to this sort of thing.
--
Martin
wrote:
>[email protected] schrieb:
>> On 25 jan, 09:24, Volker Hetzer <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> My first impression was always the dirt.
>>
>> Eh? Dirt? Are you Howard Hughes?
>No.
>I'm simply not used of almost every road lined with empty plastic bottles,
>plastic bags, old fridges and whatnot.
There are other places in Europe where you could get used to this sort of thing.
--
Martin
Jan 25th 2007, 3:03 am
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Re: Greece - been there recently?
On Thu, 25 Jan 2007 16:24:33 +0100, in rec.travel.europe, Martin <[email protected]>
arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:
... On 25 Jan 2007 06:45:52 -0800, [email protected] wrote:
...
... >
... >
... >On 25 jan, 15:26, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
... >
... >> I find the Peleponnesos, better than either Crete or Rhodes.
... >
... >Another vote for Peleponnesos, especially as our house there is now
... >habitable (no thanks to the plumber who thought it was a good idea for
... >the toilets to flush onto the patio.)
...
... "flush"? Do the Greeks have a word for it. :-)
Erythima.
arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:
... On 25 Jan 2007 06:45:52 -0800, [email protected] wrote:
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... >
... >
... >On 25 jan, 15:26, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
... >
... >> I find the Peleponnesos, better than either Crete or Rhodes.
... >
... >Another vote for Peleponnesos, especially as our house there is now
... >habitable (no thanks to the plumber who thought it was a good idea for
... >the toilets to flush onto the patio.)
...
... "flush"? Do the Greeks have a word for it. :-)
Erythima.
Jan 25th 2007, 3:19 am
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Re: Greece - been there recently?
On Thu, 25 Jan 2007 17:03:50 +0100, Magda <[email protected]> wrote:
>On Thu, 25 Jan 2007 16:24:33 +0100, in rec.travel.europe, Martin <[email protected]>
>arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:
>
> ... On 25 Jan 2007 06:45:52 -0800, [email protected] wrote:
> ...
> ... >
> ... >
> ... >On 25 jan, 15:26, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
> ... >
> ... >> I find the Peleponnesos, better than either Crete or Rhodes.
> ... >
> ... >Another vote for Peleponnesos, especially as our house there is now
> ... >habitable (no thanks to the plumber who thought it was a good idea for
> ... >the toilets to flush onto the patio.)
> ...
> ... "flush"? Do the Greeks have a word for it. :-)
>
>Erythima.
Wrong sort of flush?
--
Martin
>On Thu, 25 Jan 2007 16:24:33 +0100, in rec.travel.europe, Martin <[email protected]>
>arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:
>
> ... On 25 Jan 2007 06:45:52 -0800, [email protected] wrote:
> ...
> ... >
> ... >
> ... >On 25 jan, 15:26, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
> ... >
> ... >> I find the Peleponnesos, better than either Crete or Rhodes.
> ... >
> ... >Another vote for Peleponnesos, especially as our house there is now
> ... >habitable (no thanks to the plumber who thought it was a good idea for
> ... >the toilets to flush onto the patio.)
> ...
> ... "flush"? Do the Greeks have a word for it. :-)
>
>Erythima.
Wrong sort of flush?
--
Martin
Jan 25th 2007, 3:26 am
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Re: Greece - been there recently?
On Thu, 25 Jan 2007 17:19:55 +0100, in rec.travel.europe, Martin <[email protected]>
arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:
... On Thu, 25 Jan 2007 17:03:50 +0100, Magda <[email protected]> wrote:
...
... >On Thu, 25 Jan 2007 16:24:33 +0100, in rec.travel.europe, Martin <[email protected]>
... >arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:
... >
... > ... On 25 Jan 2007 06:45:52 -0800, [email protected] wrote:
... > ...
... > ... >
... > ... >
... > ... >On 25 jan, 15:26, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
... > ... >
... > ... >> I find the Peleponnesos, better than either Crete or Rhodes.
... > ... >
... > ... >Another vote for Peleponnesos, especially as our house there is now
... > ... >habitable (no thanks to the plumber who thought it was a good idea for
... > ... >the toilets to flush onto the patio.)
... > ...
... > ... "flush"? Do the Greeks have a word for it. :-)
... >
... >Erythima.
...
... Wrong sort of flush?
You asked!
arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:
... On Thu, 25 Jan 2007 17:03:50 +0100, Magda <[email protected]> wrote:
...
... >On Thu, 25 Jan 2007 16:24:33 +0100, in rec.travel.europe, Martin <[email protected]>
... >arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:
... >
... > ... On 25 Jan 2007 06:45:52 -0800, [email protected] wrote:
... > ...
... > ... >
... > ... >
... > ... >On 25 jan, 15:26, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
... > ... >
... > ... >> I find the Peleponnesos, better than either Crete or Rhodes.
... > ... >
... > ... >Another vote for Peleponnesos, especially as our house there is now
... > ... >habitable (no thanks to the plumber who thought it was a good idea for
... > ... >the toilets to flush onto the patio.)
... > ...
... > ... "flush"? Do the Greeks have a word for it. :-)
... >
... >Erythima.
...
... Wrong sort of flush?
You asked!
