Jeremyrh Geo

On 24 jan, 12:59, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:

> predated that. When a country joins the EU, on average, in 7 years prices in
> the country will match elsewhere in the EU. We already paid German hotel rates
> in 1996 in Greece, but the food was still cheap.

My impression was that it was the Euro wot done it. We guessed that
maybe Greek restaurant owners saw that pizzas (for example) in UK
France or Italy cost 15 Euros or so, and doubled their prices to match.

B;

-Martin

On 24 Jan 2007 04:14:07 -0800, [email protected] wrote:

>
>
>On 24 jan, 12:59, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> predated that. When a country joins the EU, on average, in 7 years prices in
>> the country will match elsewhere in the EU. We already paid German hotel rates
>> in 1996 in Greece, but the food was still cheap.
>
>My impression was that it was the Euro wot done it. We guessed that
>maybe Greek restaurant owners saw that pizzas (for example) in UK
>France or Italy cost 15 Euros or so, and doubled their prices to match.

In 1997 in Gialova near Pylos, a pizza cost the same as in NL and twice the
price of a good Greek meal next door.
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JennyC

"a.spencer3" <[email protected]> wrote in
> "JennyC" <[email protected]> wrote
>> We went to the southern Peloponnese last year-it was brilliant
>> Crete is also really nice. Never been to Athens....jenny
>>
> Just stay away from the acknowledged lout areas.
> In Crete, for instance, west of Heraklion, not east, etc.
> Surreyman

Avoid Heralkion all together - ghastly place, unless you are 18 and like
disco!
Western Crete is superb
Jenny

-Magda

On Wed, 24 Jan 2007 13:52:37 +0100, in rec.travel.europe, "JennyC"
<[email protected]> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:

...
... "a.spencer3" <[email protected]> wrote in
... > "JennyC" <[email protected]> wrote
... >> We went to the southern Peloponnese last year-it was brilliant
... >> Crete is also really nice. Never been to Athens....jenny
... >>
... > Just stay away from the acknowledged lout areas.
... > In Crete, for instance, west of Heraklion, not east, etc.
... > Surreyman
...
... Avoid Heralkion all together - ghastly place, unless you are 18 and like
... disco!

Their Archaeological Museum is fantastic! I visited it twice.

-Martin

On Wed, 24 Jan 2007 13:52:37 +0100, "JennyC" <[email protected]> wrote:

>
>"a.spencer3" <[email protected]> wrote in
>> "JennyC" <[email protected]> wrote
>>> We went to the southern Peloponnese last year-it was brilliant
>>> Crete is also really nice. Never been to Athens....jenny
>>>
>> Just stay away from the acknowledged lout areas.
>> In Crete, for instance, west of Heraklion, not east, etc.
>> Surreyman
>
>Avoid Heralkion all together - ghastly place, unless you are 18 and like
>disco!
>Western Crete is superb

Malia was very nice until UK drunken hooligans moved in.
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Martin

-Martin

On Wed, 24 Jan 2007 14:28:39 +0100, Magda <[email protected]> wrote:

>On Wed, 24 Jan 2007 13:52:37 +0100, in rec.travel.europe, "JennyC"
><[email protected]> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:
>
> ...
> ... "a.spencer3" <[email protected]> wrote in
> ... > "JennyC" <[email protected]> wrote
> ... >> We went to the southern Peloponnese last year-it was brilliant
> ... >> Crete is also really nice. Never been to Athens....jenny
> ... >>
> ... > Just stay away from the acknowledged lout areas.
> ... > In Crete, for instance, west of Heraklion, not east, etc.
> ... > Surreyman
> ...
> ... Avoid Heralkion all together - ghastly place, unless you are 18 and like
> ... disco!
>
>Their Archaeological Museum is fantastic! I visited it twice.

We visited it once, but I would like to go again.
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Martin

-Magda

On Wed, 24 Jan 2007 14:36:50 +0100, in rec.travel.europe, Martin <[email protected]>
arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:


... > ... > Just stay away from the acknowledged lout areas.
... > ... > In Crete, for instance, west of Heraklion, not east, etc.
... > ... > Surreyman
... > ...
... > ... Avoid Heralkion all together - ghastly place, unless you are 18 and like
... > ... disco!
... >
... >Their Archaeological Museum is fantastic! I visited it twice.
...
... We visited it once, but I would like to go again.

I wanted very much to visit the Venetian fortress... (

-Iceman

On Jan 24, 4:38 am, [email protected] wrote:
> On 23 jan, 22:27, "Iceman" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > [email protected] wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > > I am currently planning a two week trip to Europe for the beginning of May.
> > > Among the places we were considering was Greece (Athens and one or two
> > > of the islands).
> > > Tim.Greece is a great country, but Athens is a hole. Don't spend more than
> > one day in Athens, unless for some reason you're fascinated by vase
> > fragments. The pollution is about on the level of Los Angeles or
> > Houston; it's not so bad that it would interfere with your trip unless
> > you have asthma or something like that. Take the Metro and you won't
> > have to worry about traffic. The main reason not to spend time there
> > isn't traffic or pollution, it's just that there's nothing to see there
> > once you've been up the Acropolis. The only old part of the city, the
> > Plaka, is basically just a tourist trap of souvenir stores and
> > overpriced tourist restaurants, and modern Athens has nothing of
> > interest at all.
>
> The OP should beaware that Iceman always comes up with this rubbish
> whenever Athens is mentioned. It does contain an element of truth - the
> visitor with no interest in the 10,000 years of western history BC may
> not appreciate Athens. Also - summer is not a good time to visit, not
> so much for the pollution, but for the heat, which makes wandering
> round the various museums and archeological sites rather tiring - as it
> does anywhere.
>


A lot more travelers agree with me than you, and I've enjoyed and
appreciated many ancient sights around the world. Athens has a bad
reputation for a reason. It has a tiny bit of history surrounded by a
huge amount of urban sprawl, and is the one lowlight in an otherwise
beautiful country.

Mister Bartlett

Iceman <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Jan 24, 4:38 am, [email protected] wrote:
> > On 23 jan, 22:27, "Iceman" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > [email protected] wrote: > Hi, > I am currently planning a two week
> > > trip to Europe for the beginning of May. > Among the places we were
> > > considering was Greece (Athens and one or two > of the islands). >
> > > Tim.

>>> Greece is a great country, but Athens is a hole. Don't spend more
> > > than one day in Athens, unless for some reason you're fascinated by
> > > vase fragments. The pollution is about on the level of Los Angeles or
> > > Houston; it's not so bad that it would interfere with your trip unless
> > > you have asthma or something like that. Take the Metro and you won't
> > > have to worry about traffic. The main reason not to spend time there
> > > isn't traffic or pollution, it's just that there's nothing to see
> > > there once you've been up the Acropolis. The only old part of the
> > > city, the Plaka, is basically just a tourist trap of souvenir stores
> > > and overpriced tourist restaurants, and modern Athens has nothing of
> > > interest at all.
> >
> > The OP should beaware that Iceman always comes up with this rubbish
> > whenever Athens is mentioned. It does contain an element of truth - the
> > visitor with no interest in the 10,000 years of western history BC may
> > not appreciate Athens. Also - summer is not a good time to visit, not so
> > much for the pollution, but for the heat, which makes wandering round
> > the various museums and archeological sites rather tiring - as it does
> > anywhere.
> >
>
>
> A lot more travelers agree with me than you, and I've enjoyed and
> appreciated many ancient sights around the world. Athens has a bad
> reputation for a reason. It has a tiny bit of history surrounded by a
> huge amount of urban sprawl, and is the one lowlight in an otherwise
> beautiful country.

"Tiny bit of history" ROFLMAO.

B;


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-Magda

On Wed, 24 Jan 2007 20:02:25 +0100, in rec.travel.europe, [email protected] (Mister
Bartlett) arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:


... > A lot more travelers agree with me than you, and I've enjoyed and
... > appreciated many ancient sights around the world. Athens has a bad
... > reputation for a reason. It has a tiny bit of history surrounded by a
... > huge amount of urban sprawl, and is the one lowlight in an otherwise
... > beautiful country.
...
... "Tiny bit of history" ROFLMAO.

How many millennia of History Iceman has behind him...?

I'm going with zero.

-Magda

On Wed, 24 Jan 2007 08:28:02 GMT, in rec.travel.europe, Mike Lane <[email protected]>
arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:

... On Tue, 23 Jan 2007 19:22:29 +0000, Magda wrote
... (in article <[email protected]>):
...
... > Sure! But have your bank account well provided. A Greek friend living abroad
... > who goes to Greece 4-5 times a year says it is getting so expensive it's
... > frightening.
...
... This is very misleading. Your Greek friend is comparing the cost of
... living now in Greece with what it was in the past.

BTW, my friend is 24. His "past" does not go very far...

Deeply Filled Mortician

Let is be knownst that on Wed, 24 Jan 2007 08:28:02 GMT, Mike Lane
<[email protected]> writted:

>On Tue, 23 Jan 2007 19:22:29 +0000, Magda wrote
>(in article <[email protected]>):
>
>> Sure! But have your bank account well provided. A Greek friend living abroad
>> who goes to Greece 4-5 times a year says it is getting so expensive it's
>> frightening.
>
>This is very misleading. Your Greek friend is comparing the cost of
>living now in Greece with what it was in the past.
>
>Up till about five years Greece was virtually a third world country
>with a relatively low standard of living and a dodgy currency that was
>being constantly devalued in relation to hard currencies in western
>Europe. Then it was a ridiculously cheap country for tourists with
>francs, dollars or pounds in their pockets. I used to find I could have
>a virtually free holiday in Greece with the cost of living so low.
>Now the costs of food and accommodation are comparable with the rest of
>Europe, but I find it still noticeably cheaper than Italy for example.

All the more reason to go to Turkey instead.
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David Horne

Martin <[email protected]> wrote:

[]
> Italy was relatively cheap at the time the Lira wasn't worth a lot in the
> early 1990s, except for those who had pounds that weren't worth a lot.

Tonight was my last night as a visiting professor at the conservatory
here in Barcelona, so some of the students asked if I'd like to go for a
drink after the last class. Was 10 of us, and several rounds of beers
and some tapas, later, I decided to pay. On the way to the bar, I
checked to see if I had enough money, hoping 80 euros would cover it.
The bill was 22!

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David Horne

<[email protected]> wrote:

[]
> My impression was that it was the Euro wot done it. We guessed that
> maybe Greek restaurant owners saw that pizzas (for example) in UK
> France or Italy cost 15 Euros or so, and doubled their prices to match.

I haven't been to Greece since the euro, but based on trips in 1993,
1996, then 2000 and 2001, there seemed to be increases on every trip.
The euro certainly must have increased prices- it did so everywhere
else.

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David Horne

Deeply Filled Mortician <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu>
wrote:

> Let is be knownst that on Wed, 24 Jan 2007 08:28:02 GMT, Mike Lane
> <[email protected]> writted:
[]
> >This is very misleading. Your Greek friend is comparing the cost of
> >living now in Greece with what it was in the past.
> >
> >Up till about five years Greece was virtually a third world country
> >with a relatively low standard of living and a dodgy currency that was
> >being constantly devalued in relation to hard currencies in western
> >Europe. Then it was a ridiculously cheap country for tourists with
> >francs, dollars or pounds in their pockets. I used to find I could have
> >a virtually free holiday in Greece with the cost of living so low.
> >Now the costs of food and accommodation are comparable with the rest of
> >Europe, but I find it still noticeably cheaper than Italy for example.
>
> All the more reason to go to Turkey instead.

Croatia is still cheap, and closer to a lot of people. Slovenia, despite
the vibrant economy, is still pretty cheap, though more expensive than
Croatia.

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