David Gascon wrote:
    >
    > "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" wrote:
    > >
    > > The Reids wrote:
    > > >
    > > > Following up to peggytex
    > > >
    > > > >The name changes follow similar actions by
    > > > >restaurants around the country protesting French opposition
    > > > >to the administration's Iraq war plans. More... "
    > > >
    > > > Please someone, tell me this is made up. Did anyone rename Russian
    > > > salad during the cold war?
    > >
    > > No, but if you ate one, you were likely to find Joe McCarthy hiding
    > > under your table taking notes! (8->}
    > >
    >
    > Actually, Russian dressing became "thousand island" arond that time,
    > didn't it?

No, "thousand island" had been around for much longer. (Of course, the
original "thousand island" wasn't what you get in a bottle, anyway - I
have a recipe for it that starts with homemade mayonnaise and adds
chopped hard-cooked egg, as well as sweet pickle relish and capers
)

EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) wrote:

    > ...But there was very little of that sort of thing during WW2 (and what
    > there was seemed to be directed against the Japanese, even though we
    > were fighting the Germans, too).

A lot of the anti - German sentiment during WWI resulted in the diminuation
of German culture that had mainstreamed itself into US life as a result of
the previous great waves of German immigration (IIRC more Americans are of
German heritage than any other nationality). This was true even in heavily
German places such as Chicago, Cincinnati, etc.....

During WWII a number of West Coast Japanese were given the option of moving
to the interior of the US. A thriving Japanese community grew up a few
blocks away from where I live on the North Side of Chicago (Lakeview, around
the Wrigley Field area). Up until 15 or so years ago there were still many
Japanese groceries and businesses from that era here. There is still a
Japanese cultural center, a few stores, etc., but the older generation has
died and their offspring have moved on.

One exception is Iva Toguri, the original "Tokyo Rose" who came here
internment and made a good life for herself. She and her family own a very
nice Japanese "department store" at the corner of Clark and Belmont (they
own half the block,and are quite well off financially). At the age of, oh
85 or so, she is still going strong, and still goes to the store to help
"run" things ;-). She looks at least 20 years younger, and she is a
delightful person -- she loves to gab and has quite the sense of humor.
I've introduced myself to her several times (we have mutual friends) and she
treats me like an old friend whenever I see her. She also gave me great
advice on how to make sushi ;-)

My "brush with history"!

--
Best
Greg

EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) wrote:
    >
    > peggytex wrote:
    >
    >>"Tim" wrote in message news:...
    >>>"Emm" wrote in message
    >>>news:[email protected]...
    >>>>The US (business class) customers
    >>>>immediately started discussing whether or not the croissants should be
    >>>>on the menu and whether to eat them!
    >>oh for heaven's sake: they sell croissants at Burger King--hahaha!
    >>>So at the risk of stretching a point you could say they're not even French.
    >>>Tim.
    >>... unless they'r filled avec le chocolat -- oo la la :-)
    >
    >
    >
    > ....For BREAKFAST?????? (I'm very fond of chocolate, but there ARE
    > limits!)

But of course. Having hot chocolate for breakfast surely can't be seen
as odd? And a chocolate croissant or pain au chocolat is another way of
ingesting a bit more caffeine.

Limits on chocolate?????? The horror! ;-)

....For BREAKFAST?????? (I'm very fond of chocolate, but there ARE
limits!) [/QUOTE]

European croissants come plain and I think this is what was served for breakfast.

We do have them containing chocolate but call them 'pan au chocolat' and they are also a different shape traditional croissants.

Personally though, I have nothing against chocolate whatever the time of day but then I have been known to eat curry for breakfast...

    > And for breakfast they'll now have "freedom toast."

A toast to stupidity
Apropos of the politicians who are expunging the word "French" from
cafeteria menus, a gastronomic historian writes: "French toast was not
invented in France. In fact, it was invented in Albany, NY. Tavern
owner Joseph French is credited with inventing the famous breakfast in
1724. Supposedly, Mr. French didn't know the proper usage of the
possessive apostrophe and, instead of 'French's toast' he put 'French
toast' on his menu."
Apparently, this is true -- making those idiots appear even more
stupid, if that's possible.

http://www.salon.com/opinion/conason...omy/index.html

le 14 Mar 2003 12:08:12 -0800, dans l'article , avvocato a dit ...

    >> And for breakfast they'll now have "freedom toast."

    > A toast to stupidity
    > Apropos of the politicians who are expunging the word "French" from
    > cafeteria menus, a gastronomic historian writes: "French toast was not
    > invented in France. In fact, it was invented in Albany, NY. Tavern
    > owner Joseph French is credited with inventing the famous breakfast in
    > 1724. Supposedly, Mr. French didn't know the proper usage of the
    > possessive apostrophe and, instead of 'French's toast' he put 'French
    > toast' on his menu."
    > Apparently, this is true -- making those idiots appear even more
    > stupid, if that's possible.
    >
    > http://www.salon.com/opinion/conason...omy/index.html

Not to mention the morons eating American potatoes, fried in American oil,
to a Belgian recipe ... and removing the word 'French' from the name. What
a bunch of immature twats ...

--
Desmond Coughlan
desmond @ zeouane.org
http: // www . zeouane . org

In article ,
Emm wrote:

    > Originally posted by Jenn
    > > In article ,
    > > Emm wrote:
    > >
    > > > My husband was recently flying back from the US and they were
    > > served
    > > > croissants for breakfast on the plane. The US (business class)
    > > customers
    > > > immediately started discussing whether or not the croissants
    > > should be
    > > > on the menu and whether to eat them!
    > > >
    > > > Since they were flying out of the US, I wouldn't have thought
    > > that the
    > > > croissants had actually been anywhere near France and were
    > > probably made
    > > > by an American company with American flour, butter, etc. So
    > > boycotting
    > > > this 'french' product would actually hurt an American
    > > company...
    > > >
    > > > I think it is funny, but then I'm not American...
    > > >
    > > > BTW they are 'crisps' and our 'chips' are larger and
    > > healthier
    > > > than fries.
    > > >
    > > > --
    > > > Posted via http://britishexpats.com/"]http://britishexpat-
    > > s.com[/url]
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > oh yeah healthier LOL --
    >
    > Yes Jenn, healthier.
    >
    > It is a proven fact that british style chips, i.e. fatter, are healthier
    > than frnechfries, i.e. thinner, due to the fact that per chip they
    > contain more potato and have a smaller surface area. They therefore
    > absorb less fat when they are cooked than french fries and are healthier
    > for you...
    >
    > In the usual thorough British fashion, studies have been conducted on
    > the matter.
    >
    > I therefore suggest that if you are going to scoff - you do it on
    > British chips!

a french fried potato has about as little nutrition as it is possible
for a 'vegetable' to have -- it is basically sugar fried in oil -- and
when it accompanies the usual healthy british meal of sausage, it makes
a mal nutritional tour de force

I've had brit chips as well as those in the US -- the key to healthy
french fries is to stop eating them often

ellie wrote:
    >
    > EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) wrote:
    > >
    > > peggytex wrote:
    > >
    > >>"Tim" wrote in message news:...
    > >>
    > >>>"Emm" wrote in message
    > >>>news:[email protected]...
    > >>>
    > >>>>The US (business class) customers
    > >>>>immediately started discussing whether or not the croissants should be
    > >>>>on the menu and whether to eat them!
    > >>>
    > >>oh for heaven's sake: they sell croissants at Burger King--hahaha!
    > >>
    > >>
    > >>>So at the risk of stretching a point you could say they're not even French.
    > >>>Tim.
    > >>
    > >>... unless they'r filled avec le chocolat -- oo la la :-)
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > ....For BREAKFAST?????? (I'm very fond of chocolate, but there ARE
    > > limits!)
    >
    > But of course. Having hot chocolate for breakfast surely can't be seen
    > as odd?

Well, to a quasi-Swede from Minnesota it can! (Coffee being the
beverage of choice - with lots of cream, no sugar.) My ancestry is
entirely German (unless you consider Alsace as French, and the
possibility of a little bastard Russian in the mix from the Mennonites
who settled there before coming to the U.S.), but I'm a Swede by
adoption because my Mom married one, the second time around.

    > And a chocolate croissant or pain au chocolat is another way of
    > ingesting a bit more caffeine.

Okay, you win. Since the younger generation seems to drink coke for
breakfast (which to me is even more unthinkable) it obviously depends
upon what you are accustomed to as breakfast fare.

"EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" wrote
    | ellie wrote:
    | > >>... unless they'r filled avec le chocolat -- oo la la :-)
    | > > ....For BREAKFAST?????? (I'm very fond of chocolate, but there ARE
    | > > limits!)
    | > But of course. Having hot chocolate for breakfast surely can't be seen
    | > as odd?
    | Well, to a quasi-Swede from Minnesota it can! ...
    | Okay, you win. Since the younger generation seems to drink coke for
    | breakfast (which to me is even more unthinkable) it obviously depends
    | upon what you are accustomed to as breakfast fare.

I nearly started this morning with chocolate porridge.

Owain

"EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > ellie wrote:
    > >
    > > EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) wrote:
    > > >
    > > > peggytex wrote:
    > > >
    > > >>"Tim" wrote in message
news:...
    > > >>
    > > >>>"Emm" wrote in message
    > > >>>news:[email protected]...
    > > >>>
    > > >>>>The US (business class) customers
    > > >>>>immediately started discussing whether or not the croissants should
be
    > > >>>>on the menu and whether to eat them!
    > > >>>
    > > >>oh for heaven's sake: they sell croissants at Burger King--hahaha!
    > > >>
    > > >>
    > > >>>So at the risk of stretching a point you could say they're not even
French.
    > > >>>Tim.
    > > >>
    > > >>... unless they'r filled avec le chocolat -- oo la la :-)
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > ....For BREAKFAST?????? (I'm very fond of chocolate, but there ARE
    > > > limits!)
    > >
    > > But of course. Having hot chocolate for breakfast surely can't be seen
    > > as odd?
    > Well, to a quasi-Swede from Minnesota it can! (Coffee being the
    > beverage of choice - with lots of cream, no sugar.) My ancestry is
    > entirely German (unless you consider Alsace as French, and the
    > possibility of a little bastard Russian in the mix from the Mennonites
    > who settled there before coming to the U.S.), but I'm a Swede by
    > adoption because my Mom married one, the second time around.
Your reference to the person from Russia could be interpreted as one who was
vertically-challenged and the issue of parents who were unwed so could have
been phrased more felicitously! And don't most people consider Alsace as
French (home of Kronenbourg and Charles de Gaulle)?

JohnT

On Wed, 12 Mar 2003 22:59:40 -0000, "Mary Fisher" wrote:

    >"Jesper Lauridsen" wrote in message
    >news:[email protected]...
    >> This has nothing to do with travel in Europe.
    >France is in Europe.
    >When you travel, ven in France, you have to eat.

And the relevance of a menu in Washington, USA is what?

--
Ask me for directions.

In article , JohnT
writes
    >And don't most people consider Alsace as
    >French

Alsace has changed hands several times but it certainly is French now.

--
Marie Lewis

"Marie Lewis" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > In article , JohnT
    > writes
    > >And don't most people consider Alsace as
    > >French
    > Alsace has changed hands several times but it certainly is French now.
    > --
    > Marie Lewis

Marie:

I was well aware of that, thank you. Haven't you anything better to do than
endlessly and boringly pontificate on Usenet?

JohnT

On Sat, 15 Mar 2003 08:10:49 +0000, Marie Lewis wrote:

    > In article , JohnT
    > writes
    >>And don't most people consider Alsace as
    >>French
    >
    > Alsace has changed hands several times but it certainly is French now.

Definitely occupied by France.

    :-)

In article , JohnT
writes
    >Marie:
    >I was well aware of that, thank you. Haven't you anything better to do than
    >endlessly and boringly pontificate on Usenet?
    >JohnT


Haven't you? Your comment implied that you did not know, and that did
not surprise me.
--
Marie Lewis