"Tim" wrote in message news:...
    > "Emm" wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    >> The US (business class) customers
    > > immediately started discussing whether or not the croissants should be
    > > on the menu and whether to eat them!

oh for heaven's sake: they sell croissants at Burger King--hahaha!

    > So at the risk of stretching a point you could say they're not even French.
    > Tim.


... unless they'r filled avec le chocolat -- oo la la :-)

On Thu, 13 Mar 2003 06:32:19 GMT, in rec.travel.europe, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)"
arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :


... You've jogged my memory again - you're talking about cooked vegetables,
... right? A Hungarian friend once gave me a recipe for what she called
... "Russian' salad - diced cooked veggies (may include diced meat or
... chicken, too) in a mayonnaise-type dressing.

Both. I never buy tins of fruit salad, but I remember their having the word "macédoine" on
the label. When I learned that there was veg macédoine too I concluded that it meant "cut
up in small pieces and mixed together". (That's what my Larousse says, too - I have just
looked.)

Yes Jenn, healthier.

It is a proven fact that british style chips, i.e. fatter, are healthier than frnechfries, i.e. thinner, due to the fact that per chip they contain more potato and have a smaller surface area. They therefore absorb less fat when they are cooked than french fries and are healthier for you...

In the usual thorough British fashion, studies have been conducted on the matter.

I therefore suggest that if you are going to scoff - you do it on British chips!

The Reids schrieb:
    >
    > Following up to R J Carpenter
    >
    > >Real "crimson napes" don't eat no salad, nohow. They go to places with a
    > >big sign out front "EATS", not a sissy "restaurant" ... oops, French word.
    > >
    > >[ Seriously, I don't think we commonly called anything "Russian salad". ]
    >
    > Its mayonnaise with cubes of veg in it (with variations) very popular
    > in Spain. I understand it has no connection with Russia.

I've had lots of Russian salad in Russia.
I'm trying to recall what they call it, "salad" maybe?
Tom

    >
    > As UK government is flavour of the month, US should call them English
    > fries.
    >
    > HEY they are saying on the radio they have got Bin Laden!!!!!
    > --
    > Mike Reid
    > Land of roast meat "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk/castile.htm"
    > (see web to email)

In article , Emm
writes
    >It is a proven fact that british style chips, i.e. fatter, are healthier
    >than frnechfries, i.e. thinner, due to the fact that per chip they
    >contain more potato and have a smaller surface area. They therefore
    >absorb less fat when they are cooked than french fries and are healthier
    >for you...


But we have to avoid crinkle chips because of the larger surface, don't
we?
--
Marie Lewis

"EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" schrieb:
    >
    > R J Carpenter wrote:
    > >
    > >
    > > [ Seriously, I don't think we commonly called anything "Russian salad". ]
    >
    > Yeah, I don't remember "Russian Salad" per se, but there certainly was
    > something around during the fifties and sixties callled "Russian
    > Dressing" - a bright red, rather sweet tomato-y concoction.
    >
    > This asininity reminds me of things I've read about WW1 in the U.S. -
    > all things German were re-named. (Not given up, just renamed something
    > more "American" - "plus ca change....", indeed.)

and in the UK.. German shepherds turned into alsations, and George
Saxe-Coburg-Gotha
changed his name to Windsor. IIRC what my mother told me, the real
anti-German
thing came when the Lusitania was sunk, that was like the WTC in terms
of outrage.

Tom

Desmond Coughlan wrote:
    > le Thu, 13 Mar 2003 11:43:38 GMT, dans l'article , ellie a dit ...
    >
    > { snip }
    >
    >
    >>Of course then there's what's labelled "French Dressing" which I've
    >>never seen in France.
    >
    >
    > I'm sure you mean 'Freedom Dressing' ...
    >
    > *snigger*
    >

Ah, yes! How could I forget? My husband I were in a restaurant tonight
and as we were being seated I heard the man at the next table talking
about the "freedom fries" on the typed list of daily specials. THen he
and the waitress started a litany of how awful the French were treating
Americans, how dangerous it was to go to France, etc., etc. And the
man was saying that his daughter was going to France next week on a
school trip and he was worried, blah, blah.

When the waitress came to our table I told her that this was all
ridiculous hype and she was amazed - "You mean it's not like they say on
TV?" We assured her it was not. Then later, as we were as we were
leaving, I went and spoke to the man worried about his daughter and he
seemed very reassured when we told him that the French were just like
anyone else in returning friendliness and politeness with the same, and
that we were sure his daughter would have a wonderful time. I recounted
a few personal examples of French kindness to strangers and he was
obviously thrilled to hear this.

I can not IMAGINE what sorts of stories these people are seeing on TV!

"EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" wrote:
    >
    > Wolfgang Schwanke wrote:
    > >
    > > [email protected] (peggytex) wrote in
    > > news:[email protected]:
    > >
    > > > Lawmakers struck a lunchtime blow against the French and put
    > > > "freedom fries" the menu.
    > >
    > > This would've been a perfect time to call them "chips", as "french fries"
    > > have nothing to do with France in the first place, but no ...
    >
    > Are you sure? The restaurants I've visited in France and Belgium call
    > them "frites", but they're pretty commonly served with meals, there.

Shades of World War I, when my grandmother's generation was encouraged
to call sauerkraut "liberty cabbage".

We're no worse, but it's somewhat disheartening that we haven't gotten
any better.

"EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" wrote:
    >
    > The Reids wrote:
    > >
    > > Following up to peggytex
    > >
    > > >The name changes follow similar actions by
    > > >restaurants around the country protesting French opposition
    > > >to the administration's Iraq war plans. More... "
    > >
    > > Please someone, tell me this is made up. Did anyone rename Russian
    > > salad during the cold war?
    >
    > No, but if you ate one, you were likely to find Joe McCarthy hiding
    > under your table taking notes! (8->}
    >

Actually, Russian dressing became "thousand island" arond that time,
didn't it?

Emm wrote:
    >
    > My husband was recently flying back from the US and they were served
    > croissants for breakfast on the plane. The US (business class) customers
    > immediately started discussing whether or not the croissants should be
    > on the menu and whether to eat them!
    >
    > Since they were flying out of the US, I wouldn't have thought that the
    > croissants had actually been anywhere near France and were probably made
    > by an American company with American flour, butter, etc. So boycotting
    > this 'french' product would actually hurt an American company...
    >
    > I think it is funny, but then I'm not American...

I think I'd find it funnier, too, were I NOT American. (To realize that
my fellow countrymen can be so silly over something so trivial truly
moves me to despair!) And what I was calling "the Great American
Comedy" when I was in London in January 2001 ceased to be so funny when
the flotsam it threw up as our president had to deal with 9/11 (which
crisis apparently gave him delusions of grandeur, so now he seems bent
on starting WW3).

peggytex wrote:
    >
    > "Tim" wrote in message news:...
    > > "Emm" wrote in message
    > > news:[email protected]...
    > >> The US (business class) customers
    > > > immediately started discussing whether or not the croissants should be
    > > > on the menu and whether to eat them!
    >
    > oh for heaven's sake: they sell croissants at Burger King--hahaha!
    >
    > > So at the risk of stretching a point you could say they're not even French.
    > > Tim.
    >
    > ... unless they'r filled avec le chocolat -- oo la la :-)


....For BREAKFAST?????? (I'm very fond of chocolate, but there ARE
limits!)

    > >> The US (business class) customers
    > > > immediately started discussing whether or not the croissants should be
    > > > on the menu and whether to eat them!
    > oh for heaven's sake: they sell croissants at Burger King--hahaha!
    > > So at the risk of stretching a point you could say they're not even
French.
    > > Tim.
    > ... unless they'r filled avec le chocolat -- oo la la :-)

....and chocolate comes from the Americas ;-)
I just like them plain.
Tim.

ellie wrote:
    >
    > Desmond Coughlan wrote:
    > > le Thu, 13 Mar 2003 11:43:38 GMT, dans l'article , ellie a dit ...
    > >
    > > { snip }
    > >
    > >
    > >>Of course then there's what's labelled "French Dressing" which I've
    > >>never seen in France.
    > >
    > >
    > > I'm sure you mean 'Freedom Dressing' ...
    > >
    > > *snigger*
    > >
    >
    > Ah, yes! How could I forget? My husband I were in a restaurant tonight
    > and as we were being seated I heard the man at the next table talking
    > about the "freedom fries" on the typed list of daily specials. THen he
    > and the waitress started a litany of how awful the French were treating
    > Americans, how dangerous it was to go to France, etc., etc. And the
    > man was saying that his daughter was going to France next week on a
    > school trip and he was worried, blah, blah.
    >
    > When the waitress came to our table I told her that this was all
    > ridiculous hype and she was amazed - "You mean it's not like they say on
    > TV?" We assured her it was not. Then later, as we were as we were
    > leaving, I went and spoke to the man worried about his daughter and he
    > seemed very reassured when we told him that the French were just like
    > anyone else in returning friendliness and politeness with the same, and
    > that we were sure his daughter would have a wonderful time. I recounted
    > a few personal examples of French kindness to strangers and he was
    > obviously thrilled to hear this.
    >
    > I can not IMAGINE what sorts of stories these people are seeing on TV!

Nor can I! ....But then, I seldom watch TV unless there's a specific
program I want to see, and almost NEVER watch TV news broadcasts. (Most
of my spare time is spent right here, in front of the computer or
else reading.)

David Gascon wrote:
    >
    > "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" wrote:
    > >
    > > Wolfgang Schwanke wrote:
    > > >
    > > > [email protected] (peggytex) wrote in
    > > > news:[email protected]:
    > > >
    > > > > Lawmakers struck a lunchtime blow against the French and put
    > > > > "freedom fries" the menu.
    > > >
    > > > This would've been a perfect time to call them "chips", as "french fries"
    > > > have nothing to do with France in the first place, but no ...
    > >
    > > Are you sure? The restaurants I've visited in France and Belgium call
    > > them "frites", but they're pretty commonly served with meals, there.
    >
    > Shades of World War I, when my grandmother's generation was encouraged
    > to call sauerkraut "liberty cabbage".
    >
    > We're no worse, but it's somewhat disheartening that we haven't gotten
    > any better.

...But there was very little of that sort of thing during WW2 (and what
there was seemed to be directed against the Japanese, even though we
were fighting the Germans, too).

    > > "Tim" wrote in message
news:...
    > > > "Emm" wrote in message
    > > > news:[email protected]...
    > > >> The US (business class) customers
    > > > > immediately started discussing whether or not the croissants should
be
    > > > > on the menu and whether to eat them!
    > >
    > > oh for heaven's sake: they sell croissants at Burger King--hahaha!
    > >
    > > > So at the risk of stretching a point you could say they're not even
French.
    > > > Tim.
    > >
    > > ... unless they'r filled avec le chocolat -- oo la la :-)
    > ....For BREAKFAST?????? (I'm very fond of chocolate, but there ARE
    > limits!)

That's the best time.
Try breaking a choco-croissant open and stuffing a thin slice of ham in
there as well.
Tim