French fast food caters to Muslims
Sep 10th 2005 | 10:04 pm
#91
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Re: French fast food caters to Muslims
On Sun, 11 Sep 2005 03:14:21 +0200, Mxsmanic <[email protected]>
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>No Spam writes:
>> People should be able to give their children the names that
>> they want.
>I agree. But if you name a child Hitler, there may be problems for
>the child.
Because people will think it's their surname?
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>No Spam writes:
>> People should be able to give their children the names that
>> they want.
>I agree. But if you name a child Hitler, there may be problems for
>the child.
Because people will think it's their surname?
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Sep 10th 2005 | 10:06 pm
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> From: Magda <[email protected]>
> Organization: Noos
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> Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 14:01:14 +0200
> Subject: Re: French fast food caters to Muslims
>
>> Strictly observant Jews can't have McDonald's hamburgers for two
> ... > reasons: (1) they cook pork and dairy products on the same grills as
> ... > beef,
> ...
> ... What pork or diary products do they grill at all??
Dairy products might be cheese, pork I don't know. I do know that for
orthodox Jews, it is wrong to have meat and dairy in the same receptacle.
Donna Evleth
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> Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 14:01:14 +0200
> Subject: Re: French fast food caters to Muslims
>
>> Strictly observant Jews can't have McDonald's hamburgers for two
> ... > reasons: (1) they cook pork and dairy products on the same grills as
> ... > beef,
> ...
> ... What pork or diary products do they grill at all??
Dairy products might be cheese, pork I don't know. I do know that for
orthodox Jews, it is wrong to have meat and dairy in the same receptacle.
Donna Evleth
Sep 10th 2005 | 10:14 pm
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Re: French fast food caters to Muslims
> From: Martin <[email protected]>
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> Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 02:17:10 +0200
> Subject: Re: French fast food caters to Muslims
>
> They don't have bacon butties in France.
> --
> Martin
What is a bacon buttie? I have never heard of this.
Donna Evleth
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> Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 02:17:10 +0200
> Subject: Re: French fast food caters to Muslims
>
> They don't have bacon butties in France.
> --
> Martin
What is a bacon buttie? I have never heard of this.
Donna Evleth
Sep 10th 2005 | 10:17 pm
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Donna Evleth <[email protected]> wrote:
> > From: Martin <[email protected]>
> > Organization: ---------------------
> > Newsgroups: rec.travel.europe
> > Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 02:17:10 +0200
> > Subject: Re: French fast food caters to Muslims
> >
> > They don't have bacon butties in France.
> > --
> > Martin
>
> What is a bacon buttie? I have never heard of this.
Bacon sandwich.
http://www.jamesmartinchef.co.uk/sho...m_bacon_buttie
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> > From: Martin <[email protected]>
> > Organization: ---------------------
> > Newsgroups: rec.travel.europe
> > Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 02:17:10 +0200
> > Subject: Re: French fast food caters to Muslims
> >
> > They don't have bacon butties in France.
> > --
> > Martin
>
> What is a bacon buttie? I have never heard of this.
Bacon sandwich.
http://www.jamesmartinchef.co.uk/sho...m_bacon_buttie
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Sep 10th 2005 | 10:23 pm
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Re: French fast food caters to Muslims
> From: "No Spam" <[email protected]>
> Organization: ?
> Newsgroups: rec.travel.europe
> Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 00:26:42 GMT
> Subject: Re: French fast food caters to Muslims
>
> Why the **** do you care? People should be
> able to give their children the names that
> they want. You're talking like a ****ing
> National Socialist.
Unfortunately parents do not always exercise common sense, and it's the kids
who pay for the rotten names wished on them by these thoughtless sires. I
have two horrid examples from my own childhood, one from grade school, one
from high school.
The grade school example was a girl, whom her parents named Johnny. This
was a common practice in the south where they came from, and since she was
the second girl, they were shouting their wish for a boy by naming her this
way. Also, giving a girl the name of a boy they really wanted was not done
in California, where the family was living. That poor girl suffered and
suffered with that name. The great irony was that this family went on to
have two more children, both boys.
The high school example was of a boy named George. What's wrong with
George? Nothing, unless your last name is also George. This poor boy
suffered and suffered with that name.
People should be allowed to give their children the names they want - within
reason. They should think of their children, the ones who actually have to
live with the name in question, not about their own naming agenda.
I have always believed that the names parents give their children should be
just temporary. When the child reaches the age where he/she starts
accumulating documents, like a driver's license (issued at age 16 in the US)
a choice should be given. The vast majority of the kids will have no
quarrel with the names their parents gave them, but having a simple name
change form available with the first document accumulated would be a great
help to the rest.
Donna Evleth
>
> Organization: ?
> Newsgroups: rec.travel.europe
> Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 00:26:42 GMT
> Subject: Re: French fast food caters to Muslims
>
> Why the **** do you care? People should be
> able to give their children the names that
> they want. You're talking like a ****ing
> National Socialist.
Unfortunately parents do not always exercise common sense, and it's the kids
who pay for the rotten names wished on them by these thoughtless sires. I
have two horrid examples from my own childhood, one from grade school, one
from high school.
The grade school example was a girl, whom her parents named Johnny. This
was a common practice in the south where they came from, and since she was
the second girl, they were shouting their wish for a boy by naming her this
way. Also, giving a girl the name of a boy they really wanted was not done
in California, where the family was living. That poor girl suffered and
suffered with that name. The great irony was that this family went on to
have two more children, both boys.
The high school example was of a boy named George. What's wrong with
George? Nothing, unless your last name is also George. This poor boy
suffered and suffered with that name.
People should be allowed to give their children the names they want - within
reason. They should think of their children, the ones who actually have to
live with the name in question, not about their own naming agenda.
I have always believed that the names parents give their children should be
just temporary. When the child reaches the age where he/she starts
accumulating documents, like a driver's license (issued at age 16 in the US)
a choice should be given. The vast majority of the kids will have no
quarrel with the names their parents gave them, but having a simple name
change form available with the first document accumulated would be a great
help to the rest.
Donna Evleth
>
Sep 10th 2005 | 10:29 pm
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Re: French fast food caters to Muslims
> From: Magda <[email protected]>
> Organization: Noos
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> Newsgroups: rec.travel.europe
> Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 11:52:47 +0200
> Subject: Re: French fast food caters to Muslims
>
> On Sun, 11 Sep 2005 07:35:10 +0200, in rec.travel.europe, Earl Evleth
> <[email protected]>
> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :
>
> ... On 11/09/05 0:15, in article [email protected],
> ... "Magda" <[email protected]> wrote:
> ...
> ... > ... But I could not eat another pork chop and not cry about it. Lamb is
> better
> ... > ... tasting.
> ... >
> ... > No problem, Earl, we'll never fight over chops. Keep your lamb and I'll
> ... > destroy all the
> ... > pork chops on Earth - singlehandedly! :)
> ...
> ...
> ... The main advantage of pork in France is that it is much cheaper than lamb
>
> Not to mention that half of it does not "disappear" once cooked...
>
> ... But wife does marinate chops in olive oil with garlic, which gives the
> stuff
> ... some character.
>
> We don't shop in the same places... Mine only require salt!
Earl has a prejudice against pork that dates from childhood. His mother was
from the Midwest, and she used to cook pork chops in milk. I know what he's
talking about, my mother, also from the Midwest, did likewise and they were
vile. I don't feel as strongly about pork as he does, probably because I
was able to cook myself, and could make pork taste decent. Earl has never
learned to cook.
Donna Evleth
>
> Organization: Noos
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> Newsgroups: rec.travel.europe
> Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 11:52:47 +0200
> Subject: Re: French fast food caters to Muslims
>
> On Sun, 11 Sep 2005 07:35:10 +0200, in rec.travel.europe, Earl Evleth
> <[email protected]>
> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :
>
> ... On 11/09/05 0:15, in article [email protected],
> ... "Magda" <[email protected]> wrote:
> ...
> ... > ... But I could not eat another pork chop and not cry about it. Lamb is
> better
> ... > ... tasting.
> ... >
> ... > No problem, Earl, we'll never fight over chops. Keep your lamb and I'll
> ... > destroy all the
> ... > pork chops on Earth - singlehandedly! :)
> ...
> ...
> ... The main advantage of pork in France is that it is much cheaper than lamb
>
> Not to mention that half of it does not "disappear" once cooked...
>
> ... But wife does marinate chops in olive oil with garlic, which gives the
> stuff
> ... some character.
>
> We don't shop in the same places... Mine only require salt!
Earl has a prejudice against pork that dates from childhood. His mother was
from the Midwest, and she used to cook pork chops in milk. I know what he's
talking about, my mother, also from the Midwest, did likewise and they were
vile. I don't feel as strongly about pork as he does, probably because I
was able to cook myself, and could make pork taste decent. Earl has never
learned to cook.
Donna Evleth
>
Sep 10th 2005 | 10:32 pm
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On Sun, 11 Sep 2005 12:23:57 +0200, Donna Evleth <[email protected]>
wrote:
>> From: "No Spam" <[email protected]>
>> Organization: ?
>> Newsgroups: rec.travel.europe
>> Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 00:26:42 GMT
>> Subject: Re: French fast food caters to Muslims
>>
>> Why the **** do you care? People should be
>> able to give their children the names that
>> they want. You're talking like a ****ing
>> National Socialist.
>Unfortunately parents do not always exercise common sense, and it's the kids
>who pay for the rotten names wished on them by these thoughtless sires.
Didn't Frank Zappa call his daughter Moon Unit?
Then there's the Billy Connolly story about the Glaswegian parents who
called their son Ghengis McCann.
Keith, Bristol, UK
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>> From: "No Spam" <[email protected]>
>> Organization: ?
>> Newsgroups: rec.travel.europe
>> Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 00:26:42 GMT
>> Subject: Re: French fast food caters to Muslims
>>
>> Why the **** do you care? People should be
>> able to give their children the names that
>> they want. You're talking like a ****ing
>> National Socialist.
>Unfortunately parents do not always exercise common sense, and it's the kids
>who pay for the rotten names wished on them by these thoughtless sires.
Didn't Frank Zappa call his daughter Moon Unit?
Then there's the Billy Connolly story about the Glaswegian parents who
called their son Ghengis McCann.
Keith, Bristol, UK
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Sep 10th 2005 | 10:37 pm
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Mxsmanic wrote:
> Some immigrants (notably immigrants from the Far East, in my
> experience) tend to encourage their offspring to learn the national
> language of their new home, and may even forbid them to speak the
> language of the "old country."
I know you're speaking of France but that used to, and perhaps still
does, happen in the USA. It's a great sadness that children do not know
the tongue of their parents.
A native American of Arab ancestry (from Lebanon) I know speaks only
Arabic to his children, their mother speaks only English (her only
language). I applaud the natural bilinguality of those children. Would
that more parents did the same.
In my youth, throngs of Chinese students converged at the cable car
turntable on Powell at Market to get to Chinese school by 16:00. They
were there two hours each school day and "all day" Saturdays. They
learned Cantonese, Mandarin, and the history and cultures of China.
Those born here spoke English no differently from the rest of us.
Most of their children are not so advantaged; most of their
grandchildren are about as Chinese as Colin Powell.
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> Some immigrants (notably immigrants from the Far East, in my
> experience) tend to encourage their offspring to learn the national
> language of their new home, and may even forbid them to speak the
> language of the "old country."
I know you're speaking of France but that used to, and perhaps still
does, happen in the USA. It's a great sadness that children do not know
the tongue of their parents.
A native American of Arab ancestry (from Lebanon) I know speaks only
Arabic to his children, their mother speaks only English (her only
language). I applaud the natural bilinguality of those children. Would
that more parents did the same.
In my youth, throngs of Chinese students converged at the cable car
turntable on Powell at Market to get to Chinese school by 16:00. They
were there two hours each school day and "all day" Saturdays. They
learned Cantonese, Mandarin, and the history and cultures of China.
Those born here spoke English no differently from the rest of us.
Most of their children are not so advantaged; most of their
grandchildren are about as Chinese as Colin Powell.
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Sep 10th 2005 | 10:38 pm
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Martin writes:
> No not only, many who emigrated were multilingual.
No, not now. The Vietnamese have not spoken French since around 1975.
Many of today's Vietnamese were born after that date and speak no
French at all. If they come to France, however, they learn French
very quickly, since they know that they will get nowhere by speaking
only Vietnamese.
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> No not only, many who emigrated were multilingual.
No, not now. The Vietnamese have not spoken French since around 1975.
Many of today's Vietnamese were born after that date and speak no
French at all. If they come to France, however, they learn French
very quickly, since they know that they will get nowhere by speaking
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Sep 10th 2005 | 10:40 pm
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Earl Evleth writes:
> For religious reasons.
Religious names are linked to religions, not ethnicity.
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> For religious reasons.
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Sep 10th 2005 | 10:46 pm
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On Sun, 11 Sep 2005 11:17:06 +0100, [email protected]
(chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h
offy) wrote:
>Donna Evleth <[email protected]> wrote:
>> > From: Martin <[email protected]>
>> > Organization: ---------------------
>> > Newsgroups: rec.travel.europe
>> > Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 02:17:10 +0200
>> > Subject: Re: French fast food caters to Muslims
>> >
>> > They don't have bacon butties in France.
>> > --
>> > Martin
>>
>> What is a bacon buttie? I have never heard of this.
>Bacon sandwich.
>http://www.jamesmartinchef.co.uk/sho...m_bacon_buttie
I can hear the laughter in the transport cafe when they read
"4 slices of bloomer bread
or pain de campagne"
:-)
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(chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h
offy) wrote:
>Donna Evleth <[email protected]> wrote:
>> > From: Martin <[email protected]>
>> > Organization: ---------------------
>> > Newsgroups: rec.travel.europe
>> > Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 02:17:10 +0200
>> > Subject: Re: French fast food caters to Muslims
>> >
>> > They don't have bacon butties in France.
>> > --
>> > Martin
>>
>> What is a bacon buttie? I have never heard of this.
>Bacon sandwich.
>http://www.jamesmartinchef.co.uk/sho...m_bacon_buttie
I can hear the laughter in the transport cafe when they read
"4 slices of bloomer bread
or pain de campagne"
:-)
--
Martin
Sep 10th 2005 | 10:48 pm
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Keith Anderson writes:
> Didn't Frank Zappa call his daughter Moon Unit?
Yes, although she usually just goes by Moon, I believe.
> Then there's the Billy Connolly story about the Glaswegian parents who
> called their son Ghengis McCann.
Such abuses are legion, unfortunately.
The goal of the French law was to prevent these abuses. Children are
not the property of their parents, and parents should not have
unlimited freedom to give them horrific names that will haunt them and
traumatise them for the rest of their lives.
I think the best philosophy is to choose a name that is traditional
and free of bizarre connotations, but is not too common. It seems
that every woman between the ages of 19 and 23 in France today is
named Aurélie or Élodie, which is an example of following fashion a
little too slavishly.
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> Didn't Frank Zappa call his daughter Moon Unit?
Yes, although she usually just goes by Moon, I believe.
> Then there's the Billy Connolly story about the Glaswegian parents who
> called their son Ghengis McCann.
Such abuses are legion, unfortunately.
The goal of the French law was to prevent these abuses. Children are
not the property of their parents, and parents should not have
unlimited freedom to give them horrific names that will haunt them and
traumatise them for the rest of their lives.
I think the best philosophy is to choose a name that is traditional
and free of bizarre connotations, but is not too common. It seems
that every woman between the ages of 19 and 23 in France today is
named Aurélie or Élodie, which is an example of following fashion a
little too slavishly.
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Sep 10th 2005 | 10:50 pm
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On Sun, 11 Sep 2005 12:29:09 +0200, in rec.travel.europe, Donna Evleth
<[email protected]> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :
...
... Earl has a prejudice against pork that dates from childhood. His mother was
... from the Midwest, and she used to cook pork chops in milk. I know what he's
... talking about, my mother, also from the Midwest, did likewise and they were
... vile. I don't feel as strongly about pork as he does, probably because I
... was able to cook myself, and could make pork taste decent. Earl has never
... learned to cook.
Pork chops in milk... Never in my worst nightmares I would have imagined that. Poor
piggies - and poor Earl...
<[email protected]> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :
...
... Earl has a prejudice against pork that dates from childhood. His mother was
... from the Midwest, and she used to cook pork chops in milk. I know what he's
... talking about, my mother, also from the Midwest, did likewise and they were
... vile. I don't feel as strongly about pork as he does, probably because I
... was able to cook myself, and could make pork taste decent. Earl has never
... learned to cook.
Pork chops in milk... Never in my worst nightmares I would have imagined that. Poor
piggies - and poor Earl...
Sep 10th 2005 | 10:52 pm
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On Sun, 11 Sep 2005 12:14:33 +0200, Donna Evleth <[email protected]>
wrote:
>> From: Martin <[email protected]>
>> Organization: ---------------------
>> Newsgroups: rec.travel.europe
>> Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 02:17:10 +0200
>> Subject: Re: French fast food caters to Muslims
>>
>> They don't have bacon butties in France.
>What is a bacon buttie?
a bacon sandwich.
> I have never heard of this.
nor of pork scratchings?
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wrote:
>> From: Martin <[email protected]>
>> Organization: ---------------------
>> Newsgroups: rec.travel.europe
>> Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 02:17:10 +0200
>> Subject: Re: French fast food caters to Muslims
>>
>> They don't have bacon butties in France.
>What is a bacon buttie?
a bacon sandwich.
> I have never heard of this.
nor of pork scratchings?
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Sep 10th 2005 | 11:13 pm
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Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Sun, 11 Sep 2005 11:17:06 +0100, [email protected]
> (chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h
> offy) wrote:
>
> >Donna Evleth <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> > From: Martin <[email protected]>
> >> > Organization: ---------------------
> >> > Newsgroups: rec.travel.europe
> >> > Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 02:17:10 +0200
> >> > Subject: Re: French fast food caters to Muslims
> >> >
> >> > They don't have bacon butties in France.
> >> > --
> >> > Martin
> >>
> >> What is a bacon buttie? I have never heard of this.
> >
> >Bacon sandwich.
> >
> >http://www.jamesmartinchef.co.uk/sho...m_bacon_buttie
>
> I can hear the laughter in the transport cafe when they read
>
> "4 slices of bloomer bread
> or pain de campagne"
It's a bit like kettle chips with cracked sea salt and balsamic vinegar-
innit!
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> On Sun, 11 Sep 2005 11:17:06 +0100, [email protected]
> (chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h
> offy) wrote:
>
> >Donna Evleth <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> > From: Martin <[email protected]>
> >> > Organization: ---------------------
> >> > Newsgroups: rec.travel.europe
> >> > Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 02:17:10 +0200
> >> > Subject: Re: French fast food caters to Muslims
> >> >
> >> > They don't have bacon butties in France.
> >> > --
> >> > Martin
> >>
> >> What is a bacon buttie? I have never heard of this.
> >
> >Bacon sandwich.
> >
> >http://www.jamesmartinchef.co.uk/sho...m_bacon_buttie
>
> I can hear the laughter in the transport cafe when they read
>
> "4 slices of bloomer bread
> or pain de campagne"
It's a bit like kettle chips with cracked sea salt and balsamic vinegar-
innit!
--
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usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk
photos at http://homepage.mac.com/davidhornecomposer
