French fast food caters to Muslims
Sep 10th 2005 | 1:38 am
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>> Which is understandable, since Muslims are economically and politically
>> marginalized in France, and many of them feel alienated from the
>> mainstream of French society.
> This is just as much the fault of Muslims in France as anyone else. If
> they don't integrate over time, they can expect to be marginalised.
There is a lot of discrimination against people of Arab and African
descent in France. A small number purposely exclude themselves from
French society, but the vast majority do not.
>> marginalized in France, and many of them feel alienated from the
>> mainstream of French society.
> This is just as much the fault of Muslims in France as anyone else. If
> they don't integrate over time, they can expect to be marginalised.
There is a lot of discrimination against people of Arab and African
descent in France. A small number purposely exclude themselves from
French society, but the vast majority do not.
Sep 10th 2005 | 2:51 am
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I stayed in a hostel in Barbes and found the neighborhood vibrant and
interesting...marlboromarlboromarlboro... A short walk to
Montmartre/Sacre Cour through the Pigale
too...comeseemyshowmistercomeseemyshowmister...
Perhaps Earl is on too short a chain...<g>
Tim K
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> "But, right, these are not the areas a foreign tourist would be
> interested in visiting!"
> I went to Chateau Rouge and Barbes, and found both to be interesting
> experiences.
interesting...marlboromarlboromarlboro... A short walk to
Montmartre/Sacre Cour through the Pigale
too...comeseemyshowmistercomeseemyshowmister...
Perhaps Earl is on too short a chain...<g>
Tim K
"Iceman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> "But, right, these are not the areas a foreign tourist would be
> interested in visiting!"
> I went to Chateau Rouge and Barbes, and found both to be interesting
> experiences.
Sep 10th 2005 | 3:07 am
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"Iceman" <[email protected]> skrev i meddelandet
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> "And there are certainly non-observant Jews who eat pork. Plenty."
> True. There are many non-observant Muslims who drink alcohol.
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True, as alcohol isn't banned in Islam.
What's written in the Koran is that : wine is a gift from Allah to be used
with sense
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> "And there are certainly non-observant Jews who eat pork. Plenty."
> True. There are many non-observant Muslims who drink alcohol.
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True, as alcohol isn't banned in Islam.
What's written in the Koran is that : wine is a gift from Allah to be used
with sense
Sep 10th 2005 | 3:11 am
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Iceman writes:
> There is a lot of discrimination against people of Arab and African
> descent in France. A small number purposely exclude themselves from
> French society, but the vast majority do not.
The ones who are the most integrated also experience the least amount
of discrimination. A Muslim woman who shows up for an interview
dressed from head to toe in black with her eyes concealed and refuses
to speak to a male interviewer except through the intermediary of her
brother is far less likely to get a job than a Muslim woman who looks
and behaves like any other French woman.
Employers tend to assume that anyone devout enough to wear special
clothing linked to their religion is fanatical enough to cause
friction in the workplace, and they are usually right.
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> There is a lot of discrimination against people of Arab and African
> descent in France. A small number purposely exclude themselves from
> French society, but the vast majority do not.
The ones who are the most integrated also experience the least amount
of discrimination. A Muslim woman who shows up for an interview
dressed from head to toe in black with her eyes concealed and refuses
to speak to a male interviewer except through the intermediary of her
brother is far less likely to get a job than a Muslim woman who looks
and behaves like any other French woman.
Employers tend to assume that anyone devout enough to wear special
clothing linked to their religion is fanatical enough to cause
friction in the workplace, and they are usually right.
--
Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail.
Sep 10th 2005 | 3:18 am
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On Sat, 10 Sep 2005 13:13:02 +0200, Mxsmanic <[email protected]>
wrote:
>Martin writes:
>> The ban on traditional dress is a type of discrimination.
>The ban is on religious dress, not traditional dress. There is
>nothing traditional about veils on the head or black garments that
>completely conceal the body, anyway.
>> If the aim is really better integration, then it is misguided.
>What would you suggest?
A choice of burning at the stake or live and let live.
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wrote:
>Martin writes:
>> The ban on traditional dress is a type of discrimination.
>The ban is on religious dress, not traditional dress. There is
>nothing traditional about veils on the head or black garments that
>completely conceal the body, anyway.
>> If the aim is really better integration, then it is misguided.
>What would you suggest?
A choice of burning at the stake or live and let live.
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Sep 10th 2005 | 3:19 am
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On Sat, 10 Sep 2005 13:34:14 +0200, Wolfgang Schwanke <[email protected]>
wrote:
>Mxsmanic <[email protected]> wrote in
>news:[email protected] :
>>> If the aim is really better integration, then it is misguided.
>>
>> What would you suggest?
>Just let people wear what the hell they want to and not make a fuss
>about it.
Exactly my opinion.
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wrote:
>Mxsmanic <[email protected]> wrote in
>news:[email protected] :
>>> If the aim is really better integration, then it is misguided.
>>
>> What would you suggest?
>Just let people wear what the hell they want to and not make a fuss
>about it.
Exactly my opinion.
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Martin
Sep 10th 2005 | 3:20 am
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On Sat, 10 Sep 2005 13:41:57 +0200, Mxsmanic <[email protected]>
wrote:
>Wolfgang Schwanke writes:
>> Just let people wear what the hell they want to and not make a fuss
>> about it.
>Such as Gestapo uniforms? What if they don't want to wear anything at
>all, and wish to come to school nude? What if they want to wear
>spacesuits?
What if they want to wear shorts and hiking boots and brown paper bags
over their heads? What the **** does it matter what people wear?
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wrote:
>Wolfgang Schwanke writes:
>> Just let people wear what the hell they want to and not make a fuss
>> about it.
>Such as Gestapo uniforms? What if they don't want to wear anything at
>all, and wish to come to school nude? What if they want to wear
>spacesuits?
What if they want to wear shorts and hiking boots and brown paper bags
over their heads? What the **** does it matter what people wear?
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Martin
Sep 10th 2005 | 3:26 am
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On Sat, 10 Sep 2005 13:38:42 +0200, Mxsmanic <[email protected]>
wrote:
>Martin writes:
>> Leave them alone and don't make the next generation hate their country
>> of birth? It always worked in the past.
>Actually, no, it has not.
>The next generation never hates its country of birth by default.
It appears to in the UK.
>Allowed to follow natural tendencies, young people always tend to join
>the mainstream--that is, they integrate. The only time they do not do
>so is if their elders force a different, foreign culture upon them, in
>order to _prevent_ them from integrating.
or if racial prejudice isolates them.
>It has nothing to do with what the society does, and everything to do
>with what parents do.
Rubbish.
>Some immigrants (notably immigrants from the Far East, in my
>experience) tend to encourage their offspring to learn the national
>language of their new home, and may even forbid them to speak the
>language of the "old country." With this and other policies, they
>insure that new generations are almost completely integrated within a
>single generation.
Aren't the majority of Asian immigrants from the Far East in France
of Vietnamese or Laotian origin?
>But some other immigrants (notably immigrants from
>Arab societies, in France) do just the opposite, forbidding their
>offspring from joining the mainstream, and forcing the ways of the old
>country upon them. These children grow up outcast, unintegrated, and
>bitter, and cause problems and unhappiness for themselves and society.
>When fifteen-year-old girls are killed in France for "wanting to be
>French," it's not the state or society that does the killing ... it's
>their own families.
I forgot that you believe there is no racism in France.
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wrote:
>Martin writes:
>> Leave them alone and don't make the next generation hate their country
>> of birth? It always worked in the past.
>Actually, no, it has not.
>The next generation never hates its country of birth by default.
It appears to in the UK.
>Allowed to follow natural tendencies, young people always tend to join
>the mainstream--that is, they integrate. The only time they do not do
>so is if their elders force a different, foreign culture upon them, in
>order to _prevent_ them from integrating.
or if racial prejudice isolates them.
>It has nothing to do with what the society does, and everything to do
>with what parents do.
Rubbish.
>Some immigrants (notably immigrants from the Far East, in my
>experience) tend to encourage their offspring to learn the national
>language of their new home, and may even forbid them to speak the
>language of the "old country." With this and other policies, they
>insure that new generations are almost completely integrated within a
>single generation.
Aren't the majority of Asian immigrants from the Far East in France
of Vietnamese or Laotian origin?
>But some other immigrants (notably immigrants from
>Arab societies, in France) do just the opposite, forbidding their
>offspring from joining the mainstream, and forcing the ways of the old
>country upon them. These children grow up outcast, unintegrated, and
>bitter, and cause problems and unhappiness for themselves and society.
>When fifteen-year-old girls are killed in France for "wanting to be
>French," it's not the state or society that does the killing ... it's
>their own families.
I forgot that you believe there is no racism in France.
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Martin
Sep 10th 2005 | 3:38 am
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Re: French fast food caters to Muslims
On Sat, 10 Sep 2005 17:11:39 +0200, Mxsmanic <[email protected]>
wrote:
>Iceman writes:
>> There is a lot of discrimination against people of Arab and African
>> descent in France. A small number purposely exclude themselves from
>> French society, but the vast majority do not.
>The ones who are the most integrated also experience the least amount
>of discrimination. A Muslim woman who shows up for an interview
>dressed from head to toe in black with her eyes concealed and refuses
>to speak to a male interviewer except through the intermediary of her
>brother is far less likely to get a job than a Muslim woman who looks
>and behaves like any other French woman.
The same applies to guys, who refuse to supply basic information and
wear shorts and hiking boots to work.
>Employers tend to assume that anyone devout enough to wear special
>clothing linked to their religion is fanatical enough to cause
>friction in the workplace, and they are usually right.
It's odd that you can't see why you have a problem in finding work.
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Martin
wrote:
>Iceman writes:
>> There is a lot of discrimination against people of Arab and African
>> descent in France. A small number purposely exclude themselves from
>> French society, but the vast majority do not.
>The ones who are the most integrated also experience the least amount
>of discrimination. A Muslim woman who shows up for an interview
>dressed from head to toe in black with her eyes concealed and refuses
>to speak to a male interviewer except through the intermediary of her
>brother is far less likely to get a job than a Muslim woman who looks
>and behaves like any other French woman.
The same applies to guys, who refuse to supply basic information and
wear shorts and hiking boots to work.
>Employers tend to assume that anyone devout enough to wear special
>clothing linked to their religion is fanatical enough to cause
>friction in the workplace, and they are usually right.
It's odd that you can't see why you have a problem in finding work.
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Martin
Sep 10th 2005 | 3:42 am
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...to a job interview, church, sporting events or your friends
wedding...?...<g>
'Clothing makes the man'
http://www.funnyjunk.com/p/upyours-jpg.html
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> What if they want to wear shorts and hiking boots and brown paper bags
> over their heads? What the **** does it matter what people wear?
> --
> Martin
wedding...?...<g>
'Clothing makes the man'
http://www.funnyjunk.com/p/upyours-jpg.html
Tim K
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> What if they want to wear shorts and hiking boots and brown paper bags
> over their heads? What the **** does it matter what people wear?
> --
> Martin
Sep 10th 2005 | 3:45 am
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On Sat, 10 Sep 2005 15:42:12 GMT, "Timothy Kroesen"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>...to a job interview, church, sporting events or your friends
>wedding...?...<g>
>'Clothing makes the man'
"Manners maketh the man" William Wycombe.
>http://www.funnyjunk.com/p/upyours-jpg.html
>Tim K
>"Martin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>> What if they want to wear shorts and hiking boots and brown paper bags
>> over their heads? What the **** does it matter what people wear?
>> --
>> Martin
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Martin
<[email protected]> wrote:
>...to a job interview, church, sporting events or your friends
>wedding...?...<g>
>'Clothing makes the man'
"Manners maketh the man" William Wycombe.
>http://www.funnyjunk.com/p/upyours-jpg.html
>Tim K
>"Martin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected].. .
>> What if they want to wear shorts and hiking boots and brown paper bags
>> over their heads? What the **** does it matter what people wear?
>> --
>> Martin
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Sep 10th 2005 | 4:04 am
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So it appears we have either a photo of 'Young William' or 'Young
Martin'...<g>
Tim K
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> "Manners maketh the man" William Wycombe.
> >
> >http://www.funnyjunk.com/p/upyours-jpg.html
> >
Martin'...<g>
Tim K
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> "Manners maketh the man" William Wycombe.
> >
> >http://www.funnyjunk.com/p/upyours-jpg.html
> >
Sep 10th 2005 | 4:12 am
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On Sat, 10 Sep 2005 16:04:14 GMT, "Timothy Kroesen"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>So it appears we have either a photo of 'Young William' or 'Young
>Martin'...<g>
but not old Mixi. Man in pink shorts
http://www.funnyjunk.com/p/redneckpool-jpg.html
Roll on the drums
http://www.funnyjunk.com/p/toiletpaper_copy1-jpg.html
>Tim K
>"Martin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected].. .
>> "Manners maketh the man" William Wycombe.
>> >
>> >http://www.funnyjunk.com/p/upyours-jpg.html
>> >
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Martin
<[email protected]> wrote:
>So it appears we have either a photo of 'Young William' or 'Young
>Martin'...<g>
but not old Mixi. Man in pink shorts
http://www.funnyjunk.com/p/redneckpool-jpg.html
Roll on the drums
http://www.funnyjunk.com/p/toiletpaper_copy1-jpg.html
>Tim K
>"Martin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected].. .
>> "Manners maketh the man" William Wycombe.
>> >
>> >http://www.funnyjunk.com/p/upyours-jpg.html
>> >
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Sep 10th 2005 | 4:19 am
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Have you ever climbed a water tower with a bucket of paint to defend
your sister's honor?
...and...
It's a bit softer than the surrounding paper in Dutch hostels... <g>
Tim K
"Martin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> but not old Mixi. Man in pink shorts
> http://www.funnyjunk.com/p/redneckpool-jpg.html
> Roll on the drums
> http://www.funnyjunk.com/p/toiletpaper_copy1-jpg.html
your sister's honor?
...and...
It's a bit softer than the surrounding paper in Dutch hostels... <g>
Tim K
"Martin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> but not old Mixi. Man in pink shorts
> http://www.funnyjunk.com/p/redneckpool-jpg.html
> Roll on the drums
> http://www.funnyjunk.com/p/toiletpaper_copy1-jpg.html
Sep 10th 2005 | 4:25 am
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On Sat, 10 Sep 2005 16:19:46 GMT, "Timothy Kroesen"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Have you ever climbed a water tower with a bucket of paint to defend
>your sister's honor?
>...and...
>It's a bit softer than the surrounding paper in Dutch hostels... <g>
I haven't got a sister and I haven't stayed in a Dutch hostel.
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Martin
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Have you ever climbed a water tower with a bucket of paint to defend
>your sister's honor?
>...and...
>It's a bit softer than the surrounding paper in Dutch hostels... <g>
I haven't got a sister and I haven't stayed in a Dutch hostel.
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Martin
