"Mxsmanic" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > Martin writes:
    >> The ban on traditional dress is a type of discrimination.
    > The ban is on religious dress, not traditional dress. There is
    > nothing traditional about veils on the head or black garments that
    > completely conceal the body, anyway.

Such dress is an Islamic tradition. Or are religious
groups unable to have traditions in Mixi Bizarro World?

"Martin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > On Sat, 10 Sep 2005 17:11:39 +0200, Mxsmanic <[email protected]>
    > wrote:
    >>A Muslim woman who shows up for an interview
    >>dressed from head to toe in black with her eyes concealed and refuses
    >>to speak to a male interviewer except through the intermediary of her
    >>brother is far less likely to get a job than a Muslim woman who looks
    >>and behaves like any other French woman.
    > The same applies to guys, who refuse to supply basic information and
    > wear shorts and hiking boots to work.

Thousands had the same thought, but you were the
first to post it!

    >>Employers tend to assume that anyone devout enough to wear special
    >>clothing linked to their religion is fanatical enough to cause
    >>friction in the workplace, and they are usually right.
    > It's odd that you can't see why you have a problem in finding work.
    > --
    > Martin

Iceman wrote:
    > "McDonalds serves all-beef in their restaurants, I don`t think there is
    > any pork served. Halal may be the problem, however. Jews have the
    > same problem of they are observant."
    > Strictly observant Jews can't have McDonald's hamburgers for two
    > reasons: (1) they cook pork and dairy products on the same grills as
    > beef, and (2) the cows that the beef comes from are not slaughtered by
    > the kosher procedure.

its all shite in a bun so whats the difference ?

On 10/09/05 12:00, in article [email protected],
"Martin" <[email protected]> wrote:

    > Odd that nobody has banned nuns from dressing the way they do in
    > Catholic schools.

Many don¹t dress "that way" anymore, the dress style of nuns in our
Catholic neighborhood varies.

On 10/09/05 12:19, in article
1h2o7be.7pqk771eyvrbmN%this_address_is_for_spam@ya hoo.com, "chancellor of
the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h offy"
<[email protected]> wrote:

    > I thought that Catholic schools were mostly private in France? They
    > wouldn't have been affected by the ban, just as a private muslim school
    > wouldn't be. That said, hardly any of the latter, though that might
    > change as a result of the ban- which you could argue is
    > counter-productive- i.e. when the aim is meant to be better integration.


The French government will subsidize private religious school if they
teach the state approved curriculum. Even non-religious private schools.
Our daughter attended on and the tuition was reasonable since the
teacher's salaries were paid by the state.

Few if any Moslem educational institutions will offer the state approved
curriculum. As I understand it that are some critical issues. Learning
to swim was at one time (and maybe still) a requirement, but the wearing
of bathing suits is a problem with some Moslems, committed to modest dress.
Sex education in biology class is another issue.

Those Catholic and Jewish private schools which have no problem with
the approved government curriculum have no problem.

Some Koranic schools want only to teach that. Teaching whatever is not
forbidden if the students at least get the standard curriculum. After
all the path to post success in France passes by the BAC exam, they
have to prepare for THAT. Knowing the Bible, the Koran or whatever
is incidental since no the BAC does not test this knowledge.

On 10/09/05 14:01, in article [email protected],
"Magda" <[email protected]> wrote:

    > ... However, many Jews and Moslem are not that observant. But they will not
    > ... eat pork.
    >
    > That's good news - more is left for the rest of us. :))
    >


Pork as such is a very uninteresting meat, unless used in Chinese cuisine.

Ham is another thing, it is varied and pretty attractive. One Moslem student
I had love it but gave it up for Ramadan. Along with beer.

And a Jewish NY friend jokes about Kosher ham.

But I could not eat another pork chop and not cry about it. Lamb is better
tasting.

On 10/09/05 15:38, in article
[email protected]. com, "Iceman"
<[email protected]> wrote:

    >> This is just as much the fault of Muslims in France as anyone else.

They are heavily discriminated against.

To tell a story:

Somebody we know, who is a Black, French but his parents are from Ghana.
But he is Moslem and has an Arab sounding name.

He completed a degree in nuclear engineering and put out job
CVs. No response, He finally started calling and one call resulted
in a job interview and his being hired. The interviewer told
him that they thought he was Arab so did not contact him. Being Black
was not a problem.

Those French who are ethnically Arab may have to hide it. Speaking good
French is one road out of the trap. If you are Arab, the first thing
to do is give you newborn French names.

On Sat, 10 Sep 2005 21:33:52 +0200, Earl Evleth <[email protected]>
wrote:

    >On 10/09/05 12:00, in article [email protected],
    >"Martin" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >> Odd that nobody has banned nuns from dressing the way they do in
    >> Catholic schools.
    >Many don¹t dress "that way" anymore, the dress style of nuns in our
    >Catholic neighborhood varies.

:-)

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On 10/09/05 16:51, in article
[email protected] t, "Timothy Kroesen"
<[email protected]> wrote:

    > I stayed in a hostel in Barbes and found the neighborhood vibrant and
    > interesting...marlboromarlboromarlboro... A short walk to
    > Montmartre/Sacre Cour through the Pigale
    > too...comeseemyshowmistercomeseemyshowmister...
    >
    > Perhaps Earl is on too short a chain...<g>

I have no problem with Arabs, I have had a number of Arab students, the best
student was Syrian.

We knew a French woman who lived in the Goutte d'Or, no problems. She lived
in a apartment complex which looked like it was out of Algers.

I ran an exchange program with Algeria, and have visited there. Also with
Cuba. I will say the Cubans are better organized but I prefer the food
in Algeria! But all the students I got from both countries were "serious",
hard working etc. I have no culture generalizations to make except
favorable.

Our prison visiting experiences (10 years now) are a bit different. There
the French Arabs are split into two groups, the "barbues", the religious
and serious about it. They are a minority. The rest are the "gremlins"
and trouble. If either group went into terrorism to any extent, France
is in trouble. I don't think they will.

Earl Evleth wrote:

    > On 10/09/05 14:01, in article [email protected],
    > "Magda" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >
    >>... However, many Jews and Moslem are not that observant. But they will not
    >>... eat pork.
    >>That's good news - more is left for the rest of us. :))
    >
    >
    >
    > Pork as such is a very uninteresting meat, unless used in Chinese cuisine.
    >



Oh Earl. You really do need to spend some time in the NC/TN mountains.



    > Ham is another thing, it is varied and pretty attractive. One Moslem student
    > I had love it but gave it up for Ramadan. Along with beer.
    >
    > And a Jewish NY friend jokes about Kosher ham.
    >
    > But I could not eat another pork chop and not cry about it. Lamb is better
    > tasting.
    >

On Sat, 10 Sep 2005 21:51:41 +0200, in rec.travel.europe, Earl Evleth <[email protected]>
arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :


... Pork as such is a very uninteresting meat, unless used in Chinese cuisine.
...
... Ham is another thing, it is varied and pretty attractive. One Moslem student
... I had love it but gave it up for Ramadan. Along with beer.
...
... And a Jewish NY friend jokes about Kosher ham.
...
... But I could not eat another pork chop and not cry about it. Lamb is better
... tasting.

No problem, Earl, we'll never fight over chops. Keep your lamb and I'll destroy all the
pork chops on Earth - singlehandedly! :)

Lennart Petersen writes:

    > True, as alcohol isn't banned in Islam.
    > What's written in the Koran is that : wine is a gift from Allah to be used
    > with sense

Islam doesn't require women to hide themselves, either, and yet they
do.

Islam was a _moderating_ influence on the extreme behavior of Arabs,
but it has been distorted over time to reduce that moderating
influence and return to the old ways.

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Martin writes:

    > What if they want to wear shorts and hiking boots and brown paper bags
    > over their heads? What the **** does it matter what people wear?

It doesn't, but if they can wear what they want, then I want to be
able to wear exactly what I want.

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No Spam writes:

    > Such dress is an Islamic tradition.

Such dress is mostly an _Arab_ tradition. Islam does not require that
women dress in black bedsheets.

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Martin writes:

    > It appears to in the UK.

No, it was raised that way.

    > or if racial prejudice isolates them.

There can be no racial prejudice among people who all belong to the
same race.

    > Aren't the majority of Asian immigrants from the Far East in France
    > of Vietnamese or Laotian origin?

I don't know. What difference does it make?

    > I forgot that you believe there is no racism in France.

Honor killings are not a French tradition.

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