Mxsmanic wrote:

    > nitram writes:
    > > They are. You need to go out more.
    > I see Europeans every day. At least around here (Paris), they are not
    > obese. One of the easiest ways to recognize Americans in Paris is to
    > look for people who are under 50 years old and overweight.

And if you watch the Olympics you will see more Americans picking up gold
medals than French.

There are a lot of fat Americans. No doubt about it. There are also a lot of
large Americans who are very fit.

Alan S wrote:
    > On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 00:14:37 -0600, [email protected] (Miguel Cruz)
    > wrote:
    > |EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) <[email protected]> wrote:
    > |> Rod Speed wrote:
    > |>> "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" <[email protected]> wrote:
    > |>>> Especially when the "ideal" of feminine beauty is so mutable!
By
    > |>>> today's unrealistic standards, Marilyn Monroe, Jane Russell,
Betty
    > |>>> Grable, and a number of WW2's "pin-up" girls would be considered
obese.
    > |>>> (We won't mention Lillian Russell and the "beauties" of the
1890's.)
    > |>>
    > |>> There has never been even a single 'pin-up' anything
    > |>> like as obese as the hippo being discussed.
    > |>
    > |> How do you know? Have you met the lady? (Or seen pictures
    > |> of Lillian Russell? How about Rubens paintings?))
    > |
    > |Remember that she was about 270 pounds. I'm around 6'5" and of
normal
    > |weight, according to doctors, and I'd have to put on 80 pounds (an
entire
    > |Asian adult woman) to weigh as much as the person in question. There
is
    > |almost no chance that she is anywhere near as tall as me.
    > |
    > |Marilyn Monroe was no waif, but she did not weigh almost 300 pounds.
    > |
    > |miguel
    > I've heard this nonsense before. So, when I hear nonsense my first
    > port of call is Snopes (read in full before arguing:-):
    > http://www.snopes.com/movies/actors/mmdress.htm
    > "a range of measurements for Marilyn Monroe based on the available
    > sources:
    > Height: 5 feet, 5½ inches
    > Weight: 118-140 pounds
    > Bust: 35-37 inches
    > Waist: 22-23 inches
    > Hips: 35-36 inches
    > Bra size: 36D"
    > She wasn't obese, and to this mere male, what she did have was very
    > nicely arranged. They all were before my time, but I'll say the same
    > for Betty Grable and Jane Russell.


A star today who is 5'5 and 140 lbs would be considered about 20-30 lbs
overweight.

Hi,

well assuming she's 5'10" she's about 100# overweight.

EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) wrote:

    >
    >
    > Kenny wrote:
    >
    >> On Sun, 13 Mar 2005, George Max <[email protected]>
    >> wrote:
    >>> On 13 Mar 2005 04:12:21 -0000, Catharine <[email protected]>
    >>> wrote:
    >>>> Fliers up in arms over wide passengers
    >>>> By Ken Dermota
    >>>> Thompson is one of four overweight persons who sued Southwest
    >>>> Airlines over
    >>>> its policy of asking passengers who cannot fit into a seat to pay for a
    >>>> second one.
    >>>> "I am overweight, but I'm not obese," said Thompson, 127kg.
    >>>> She runs a cosmetics business in Exeter, New Hampshire.
    >>> A 127Kg (279.4lbs) woman is most certainly obese. She's in denial.
    >>> I'm sure she's a nice person otherwise - but still enormous.
    >> If she is 5' 10" or under, she is MORBIDLY obese.
    >
    >
    > Only among idiots who consider "anorexic" a desireable body-type - unles
    > she's FAR "under" 5'10".
    >
    >

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Hi,

you can buy 2 seats just for your confort and convenience.

heck you can buy a seat for your musical instrument!

nospam wrote:

    >>On my last flight, home from Martinique, while trying unsuccessfully to
    >>get some sleep I started wondering if airlines would let normal sized
    >>passengers buy two seats just to be more comfortable. It still would cost
    >>way less than business or first class.
    >
    >
    > Especially if you have two seats with a separator that lifts up out of the
    > way. Perhaps we all need to email our favorite airline to demand the
    > right to buy two economy seats next to each other.
    >
    >
    > Pete
    >
    >

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and I won't be layed a hand on.
I don't do these things to other people,
and I require the same from them"
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On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 06:41:47 +0100, Magda <[email protected]>
wrote:

    >On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 23:17:01 GMT, in rec.travel.europe, Deep Foiled Malls
    ><deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> arranged some electrons, so they looked like
    >this :
    > ... On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 17:17:04 +0100, Magda <[email protected]>
    > ... wrote:
    > ...
    > ... >On 13 Mar 2005 15:29:57 GMT, in rec.travel.europe, "larry" <[email protected]>
    > ... >arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :
    > ... >
    > ... > ...
    > ... > ... ">
    > ... > ... > Overweight people have the same rights as everyone else. In fact, they
    > ... > ... > pay less for airline seats than normal people do, pound for pound.
    > ... > ... >
    > ... > ... >> No one wants to be overweight.
    > ... > ...
    > ... > ... I think your ticket price should be a multiple of your weight plus any
    > ... > ... baggage you may have brought...When I ship a 5 pound item through the mail
    > ... > ... it costs less than a 50 pound item...
    > ... >
    > ... >I like the idea. If anything, it will be an incentive to lose weight.
    > ...
    > ... If we are going to target fatties, fine, but shouldn't there be an
    > ... exemption for people who are heavy due to muscles and height? After
    > ... all, you don't want to penalise people for being fit, do you?
    >Quite. It's the volume that counts, and this discussion started with the size of airplane
    >seats, IIRC...

Yes, but is it a weight issue, or the comfort of the surrounding
passengers?
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nitram writes:

    > All Europeans don't live in or visit Paris.

A great many of them do, however.

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Dave Smith writes:

    > I am quite aware that lower intake and more exercise is required to maintain my
    > weight. My problem is with the self righteous dicks who assume that anyone with
    > extra weight is a lazy glutton when it may well be that they eat less and exercise
    > more. As I pointed out, I have three brothers who eat much more than I do and who
    > do not exercise, but they do not gain weight.

Try measuring things a bit more carefully, and you may be surprised.

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Alan S writes:

    > She wasn't obese, and to this mere male, what she did have was very
    > nicely arranged.

She had droopy eyes, and the rest of her was just average.

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On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 17:07:12 +0100, Mxsmanic <[email protected]>
wrote:

    >nitram writes:
    >> All Europeans don't live in or visit Paris.
    >A great many of them do, however.

Then Mixi must be blind if he doesn't see obese European.
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On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 17:07:12 +0100, Mxsmanic <[email protected]>
wrote:

    >nitram writes:
    >> All Europeans don't live in or visit Paris.
    >A great many of them do, however.

All 400,000,000? Maybe it feels like it to you.
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"EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
    > > Yes indeed. I considered myself obscenely overweight at 110kg, so this
    > > woman is a massive 17kg heavier, and she's probably a lot shorter too.
    > > This all adds up to morbid obesity.
    >
    > Ummm..... you make several assumptions for which you have no
    > evidence! (Also, how tall are you? You sound as though you
    > might be suffering from anorexia.)

In order for her not to be morbidly obese, she'd have to be like 8
foot tall and muscular. If that was the case, she'd be complaining
about lack of leg-room, not width. The fact she was complaining about
width proves she is obese.

As for me, in order for me to be anorexic, I'd have to be about 8 foot
tall also, and I'd have to stop working out for a while too.

On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 15:52:27 GMT, Deep Foiled Malls
<deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:

    >On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 06:41:47 +0100, Magda <[email protected]>
    >wrote:
    >>On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 23:17:01 GMT, in rec.travel.europe, Deep Foiled Malls
    >><deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> arranged some electrons, so they looked like
    >>this :
    >> ... On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 17:17:04 +0100, Magda <[email protected]>
    >> ... wrote:
    >> ...
    >> ... >On 13 Mar 2005 15:29:57 GMT, in rec.travel.europe, "larry" <[email protected]>
    >> ... >arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :
    >> ... >
    >> ... > ...
    >> ... > ... ">
    >> ... > ... > Overweight people have the same rights as everyone else. In fact, they
    >> ... > ... > pay less for airline seats than normal people do, pound for pound.
    >> ... > ... >
    >> ... > ... >> No one wants to be overweight.
    >> ... > ...
    >> ... > ... I think your ticket price should be a multiple of your weight plus any
    >> ... > ... baggage you may have brought...When I ship a 5 pound item through the mail
    >> ... > ... it costs less than a 50 pound item...
    >> ... >
    >> ... >I like the idea. If anything, it will be an incentive to lose weight.
    >> ...
    >> ... If we are going to target fatties, fine, but shouldn't there be an
    >> ... exemption for people who are heavy due to muscles and height? After
    >> ... all, you don't want to penalise people for being fit, do you?
    >>Quite. It's the volume that counts, and this discussion started with the size of airplane
    >>seats, IIRC...
    >Yes, but is it a weight issue, or the comfort of the surrounding
    >passengers?

It's an issue about passenger comfort. There must be far more
passengers upset by inadequate seat pitch than by overweight
neighbours.
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On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 22:04:59 -0800, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)"
<[email protected]> wrote:

    >My first trip to Europe was with a tour (LAX to Schipol to
    >Prague). One couple in our group had their luggage mislaid
    >(ALL our bags were specially marked, and everyone else's
    >arrived with us). They located it the next day in ISTANBUL?
    > (Go figure.)

Schipol/KLM loses more luggage every year than most other airports put
together.
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"Rod Speed" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > You're at significantly more real risk of the hippo
    > falling on you on the way out to the toilet etc.

You lie. There is no way they'd fit in those tiny airplane bathrooms. A more
real risk is being absorbed into the lard by the gravitational force.

Anthony Matonak <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<qiTYd.2817$b_6.1184@trnddc01>...
    > Sounds like the problem isn't with the passengers but with the airlines
    > downsizing seats to cut costs. Ultimately this method isn't going to
    > work for much longer because there is a limit to how small you can make
    > a seat and still put passengers in it. Perhaps they can start shipping
    > people as baggage.

You're saying that fat people should go in the cargo hold with all the
other wide-loads?