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Old Mar 13th 2005 | 5:08 pm
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"Kenny" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > On Sun, 13 Mar 2005, George Max <[email protected]> wrote:

    >>A 127Kg (279.4lbs) woman is most certainly obese. She's in denial.
    >>I'm sure she's a nice person otherwise - but still enormous.
    > If she is 5' 10" or under, she is MORBIDLY obese. According to the fat
    > acceptors, she only needs to proclaim herself beautiful and fit, then her
    > life will be perfect.

I'm a fat bugger, and I fit in airline seats just fine, in fact they are
quite roomy in my opinion. I'm 5'3" (160cm) and around 80kg. And I do get
annoyed when big people sit next to me and intrude into my seat. It's my
seat, get out of it!

ant
 
Old Mar 13th 2005 | 5:14 pm
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EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) <[email protected]> wrote:
    > Rod Speed wrote:
    >> "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>> Especially when the "ideal" of feminine beauty is so mutable! By
    >>> today's unrealistic standards, Marilyn Monroe, Jane Russell, Betty
    >>> Grable, and a number of WW2's "pin-up" girls would be considered obese.
    >>> (We won't mention Lillian Russell and the "beauties" of the 1890's.)
    >>
    >> There has never been even a single 'pin-up' anything
    >> like as obese as the hippo being discussed.
    > How do you know? Have you met the lady? (Or seen pictures
    > of Lillian Russell? How about Rubens paintings?))

Remember that she was about 270 pounds. I'm around 6'5" and of normal
weight, according to doctors, and I'd have to put on 80 pounds (an entire
Asian adult woman) to weigh as much as the person in question. There is
almost no chance that she is anywhere near as tall as me.

Marilyn Monroe was no waif, but she did not weigh almost 300 pounds.

miguel
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Old Mar 13th 2005 | 5:33 pm
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On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 00:14:37 -0600, in misc.consumers.frugal-living
[email protected] (Miguel Cruz) wrote:

    >Remember that she was about 270 pounds. I'm around 6'5" and of normal
    >weight, according to doctors, and I'd have to put on 80 pounds (an entire
    >Asian adult woman) to weigh as much as the person in question. There is
    >almost no chance that she is anywhere near as tall as me.
    >Marilyn Monroe was no waif, but she did not weigh almost 300 pounds.


Nadine Thompson

Here is a picture of the disgusting glutton:
http://www.theunionleader.com/doclib...25a1nadine.jpg


This might also be a picture of the tub-0-goo

http://www.seacoastonline.com/2002news/images/cnb6.jpg
 
Old Mar 13th 2005 | 5:35 pm
  #139  
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"Citizen Ted" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > If these
    > voluminous passengers feel they should not pay for services rendered,
    > then (at a minimum) the person whose space they are invading should
    > receive a deep discount, as they are *not* receiving the services they
    > paid for (ie, so many cm of ass space).

Actually, I also am annoyed by large men intruding into "my" space. They
often have wide shoulders and lots of arms, and they seem unable to keep
them in the confines of their seats. I have protested to flight staff before
about this, and they have either moved me or the large person.

ant
 
Old Mar 13th 2005 | 5:36 pm
  #140  
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On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 21:29:28 -0800, in misc.consumers.frugal-living
"EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" <[email protected]> wrote:

    >How do you know? Have you met the lady? (Or seen pictures
    >of Lillian Russell? How about Rubens paintings?))
    >>
    >>

You can meet her here at Morbidobesity.com:
http://www.obesityhelp.com/morbidobe...?N=t1068956227
 
Old Mar 13th 2005 | 5:39 pm
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Magda
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On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 22:07:16 -0800, in rec.travel.europe, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)"
<[email protected]> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :

...
... Magda wrote:
...
... > On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 22:31:35 GMT, in rec.travel.europe, "Service Tech" <[email protected]>
... > arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :
... >
... > ... > When I went from Paris to Lisbon there wasn't a connection - my luggage
... > ... went to Madrid all
... > ... > the same.
... > ... >
... > ... Sounds like you should be charging the Airline for some replacement items.
... >
... > Yeah, fat chance of their reimbursing me the toiletries I had to buy...
...
... That's why I have baggage and "travel delay" insurance with
... American Express! (It costs me 9 USD per trip, and I've
... never had to use it, but it takes care of little things like
... that.)

Well, I used the soap, shampoo and dentifrice, so it wasn't like I wasted money...
 
Old Mar 13th 2005 | 5:40 pm
  #142  
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Nadine T.
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Old Mar 13th 2005 | 6:03 pm
  #143  
Miguel Cruz
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EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) <[email protected]> wrote:
    > nospam wrote:
    >>>"But he kept dozing and when he slept, his elbow kept hitting my chest."
    >>
    >> I'd pick his fat arm up and throw it back onto him. He'd probably
    >> wake up (who cares?) and if he asked I'd tell him what happened.
    >> I suspect women might find this approach too confrontational, though.
    >>
    >>> "I am overweight, but I'm not obese," said Thompson, 127kg.
    >>
    >> Mentioning her weight is not enough. At 280 pounds, even if she
    >> is tall, she would still be fat. If she is short, she would be grossly
    >> obese. No woman should weigh that much.
    > But it's okay for men? (Judging from what one sees, scantily dressed out
    > watering their lawns in Southern California, the answer is "yes".) Why is
    > it men feel they have a right to criticize women's weight, but expect
    > their women to accept them as they are?

Looking above in the messages you quoted, I see the sentence "I'd pick his
fat arm up and throw it back at him." That's presumably not about a woman.

Unhealthy weight is unhealthy for anyone, male or female. And when it causes
discomfort for others, as in the case of an airplane, again I don't think
it's a gender thing.

miguel
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Old Mar 13th 2005 | 6:09 pm
  #144  
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EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) <[email protected]> wrote:
    > Interesting! Thirty years ago, 250 lbs. was considered
    > "normal" for a man of six feet - much less than that, and he
    > was called "skinny".

Have you seen a 250-lb, 6' man recently? The only way that's going to happen
is with a giant belly (or pronounced overall thickness). Either way, not
normal, and definitely not healthy.

Also at odds with stats thta say people are getting larger as the years wear
on.

miguel
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Old Mar 13th 2005 | 6:45 pm
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Mxsmanic <[email protected]> writes:

    > EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) writes:
    >
    > > Clearly you have never had a "weight problem", Mixxy!
    >
    > Oh, but I have. I've just never made excuses for overeating.
    >
    > > Those of us who have one know how difficult it is to
    > > maintain our "ideal" weight.
    >
    > Eat less and exercise more.
    >
    > > I'm not "obese" (although I
    > > could probably stand to lose another pound or two), but
    > > controlling that weight requires constant vigilance. (One
    > > trip to Europe, eating what is considered a "normal" diet
    > > there, means a month of dieting when I return home.)
    >
    > Then why aren't Europeans obese?

But they are starting to get to. The three leaders in obesity are the
US, the UK and Australia. However, countries like Germany are
catching up.
 
Old Mar 13th 2005 | 7:21 pm
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"EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" <[email protected]> wrote:

    >George Max wrote:

    >> A 127Kg (279.4lbs) woman is most certainly obese. She's in denial.
    >> I'm sure she's a nice person otherwise - but still enormous.
    >As with a man, the definition depends upon height, as well -
    >perhaps she's very tall, in which case she might be on the
    >"plump" side, but not really "obese".

I'm going to agree with you here. If the woman is 6'10" or taller,
she is certainly not obese.
 
Old Mar 13th 2005 | 7:32 pm
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EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) wrote:
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    > Interesting! Thirty years ago, 250 lbs. was considered "normal" for a
    > man of six feet - much less than that, and he was called "skinny".

Generally folks (medical community, insurance companies, etc.) have
switched from the old height/weight tables to "body mass index" which
is simply a revised height/weight table. With these revised tables,
a "healthy" weight for a 6 foot man is around 170 pounds. Yes, this
is what most people would consider "skinny" but they are basing this
on research which indicates that "skinny" people live longer. These
tables are somewhat controversial and you'll note that almost all
football and baseball players are considered morbidly obese.

Anthony
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Old Mar 13th 2005 | 7:36 pm
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"EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > Rod Speed wrote:
    >> I dont get any discomfort that I didnt get in the pre
    >> cheap international travel days. But then I'm not obese.
    > No, just an argumentative twerp! (P-L-O-N-K!)

Just a pathetic excuse for a bullshit artist, Gamble.
 
Old Mar 13th 2005 | 7:37 pm
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"EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > Rod Speed wrote:
    >> "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    >>>PaPaPeng wrote:
    >>>>On 13 Mar 2005 04:12:21 -0000, Catharine <[email protected]>
    >>>>wrote:
    >>>>>Fliers up in arms over wide passengers
    >>>>Kirstie Alley should make an excellent poster girl and advocate for
    >>>>the rights of overweight people.
    >>>>No one wants to be overweight. If they are they should not be
    >>>>punished for being so.
    >>>Especially when the "ideal" of feminine beauty is so mutable! By today's
    >>>unrealistic standards, Marilyn Monroe, Jane Russell, Betty Grable, and a
    >>>number of WW2's "pin-up" girls would be considered obese. (We won't mention
    >>>Lillian Russell and the "beauties" of the 1890's.)
    >> There has never been even a single 'pin-up' anything
    >> like as obese as the hippo being discussed.

    > How do you know? Have you met the lady?

Dont need ot with that weight, stupid.

    > (Or seen pictures of Lillian Russell?

Yep.

    > How about Rubens paintings?))

Yep.

None of those are that morbidly obese, fool.
 
Old Mar 13th 2005 | 7:40 pm
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"Bill 2" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > "Rod Speed" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    >> "Bill 2" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >> news:[email protected]...
    >>> "Rod Speed" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >>> news:[email protected]...
    >>>> "Dave Smith" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    >>>>> Amber Gibson wrote:
    >>>>>> > She would appear to be too smart to be blond, but maybe you qualify. I
    >>>>>> > have
    >>>>>> > to agree that it makes no sense to charge extra for the extra space
    >>>>>> > taken
    >>>>>> > only if the plane is full because that means that the person paying
    >>>>>> > extra
    >>>>>> > is not getting any extra space. I can see charging someone for two
    >>>>>> > seats
    >>>>>> > if they need two seats and if they get two seats. Of course, I would
    >>>>>> > prefer to see North American airline's having seats large enough and
    >>>>>> > spaced
    >>>>>> > far enough apart to accommodate the average person comfortably. The
    >>>>>> > problem is that even average sized people find the seating cramped.
    >>>>>> >
    >>>>>> >
    >>>>>> >
    >>>>>> >
    >>>>>> no, because only if the plane is full will they have to boot someone. If
    >>>>>> there are empty seats, the large person can be switched next to an
    >>>>>> unused seat and the airline loses no income.
    >>>>> Have you ever heard of a person being booted from a plane
    >>>>> because someone else was too wide to fit in their seat?
    >>>> Yep, saw it happen on a recent Airline doco.
    >>> Why not beach the whale and let the normal passenger fly?
    >> Presumably they are happy to sell two seats instead.
    >> The hippo wasnt so bad that the seats collapsed under its weight.
    >> In theory I would prefer the hippos were left behind too, mainly
    >> because it would be a problem if the plane aborts the landing
    >> etc and everyone aint dead and they need to evacuate, but
    >> its not really a big enough risk to worry about too much.

    > Plus if there is an inflight fire, and that blubber catches a light, it could
    > trap the neighbouring passenger in their seat.

True. Its just quite rare tho in practice.

You're at significantly more real risk of the hippo
falling on you on the way out to the toilet etc.
 


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