"Barbara Vaughan" schreef in bericht
news:[email protected]...
    > Sjoerd wrote:
    > >
    > > "Jenn" schreef in bericht
    > > news:[email protected]...
    > > > I am in the process of doing this right now -- have my appointment
with
    > > > a consulate tomorrow -- they assure me that the 90 days can be
    > > > 'extended' with a visa
    > >
    > > Interesting. Please post the outcome of your visit to the consulate
here, as
    > > so far Schengen visas would only be valid max. 90 days. Anything > 90
days
    > > would have to be a residence permit.
    > I believe you're wrong about this. The 90-day visa is a tourist visa,
    > but there are other types of visa, such as work or study visas. These
    > are of limited duration, but the term depends on the program of work or
    > study. A residence permit, I believe, has no fixed term and wouldn't
    > normally be granted as easily as any of these visas. My daughter had an
    > 8-month visa to study in Italy, but I'm almost certain it was not a
    > residence permit.

What I meant was that there are no Schengen visas for longer than 90 days.
For anything longer than 90 days you get a permit / visa /whatever from one
country.

Sjoerd

"Judith Umbria" wrote in
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    >
    > "Sjoerd" wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    >> "Judith Umbria" schreef in bericht
    >> news:[email protected]...
    >> >
    >> > "Mean Mama" wrote in message
    >> > news:Qq6ma.435677$L1.124816@sccrnsc02...
    >> > > Let's say an American citizen is trying to get an extended visa
    >> > > for
    >> Italy,
    >> > > but circumstances make it difficult to qualify under the Italian
    >> > guidelines.
    >> > > However, if this person had a friendly place to stay in another
    >> > > EU
    >> nation
    >> > > (where circumstances make it easier to get a resident visa) would
    > there
    >> be
    >> > > any advantage to temporarily moving and getting that resident
    >> > > visa in
    >> the
    >> > > other nation, then to reapply to Italy from within that new
    >> > > status?
    > (the
    >> > > situation in Italy would still be waiting.)
    >> >
    >> > A Schengen visa is good throughout the EU,
    >> No. A Schengen visa is good within the Schengen zone, which is the EU
    >> plus Norway and Iceland minus UK and Ireland.
    >> but I don't think it is possible
    >> > to get a Schengen visa from within the EU?
    >> It is possible to get a Schengen visa from the UK or Ireland.
    >> Sjoerd
    >
    > Thanks. The question mark was because I didn't know. How do you
    > suppose a US citizen would get all that is needed while in a foreign
    > country? Presupposing that they do not live in that country, of
    > course. I don't think I could have obtained what I needed, since some
    > things had to be originals plus copy.
    >
    >

You can get some of then from the American Consulate and others by mail.

"Sjoerd" wrote in
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    >
    > "Barbara Vaughan" schreef in bericht
    > news:[email protected]...
    >> Sjoerd wrote:
    >> >
    >> > "Jenn" schreef in bericht
    >> > news:[email protected]...
    >> > > I am in the process of doing this right now -- have my
    >> > > appointment
    > with
    >> > > a consulate tomorrow -- they assure me that the 90 days can be
    >> > > 'extended' with a visa
    >> >
    >> > Interesting. Please post the outcome of your visit to the consulate
    > here, as
    >> > so far Schengen visas would only be valid max. 90 days. Anything >
    >> > 90
    > days
    >> > would have to be a residence permit.
    >> I believe you're wrong about this. The 90-day visa is a tourist visa,
    >> but there are other types of visa, such as work or study visas. These
    >> are of limited duration, but the term depends on the program of work
    >> or study. A residence permit, I believe, has no fixed term and
    >> wouldn't normally be granted as easily as any of these visas. My
    >> daughter had an 8-month visa to study in Italy, but I'm almost
    >> certain it was not a residence permit.
    >
    > What I meant was that there are no Schengen visas for longer than 90
    > days. For anything longer than 90 days you get a permit / visa
    > /whatever from one country.
    >
    > Sjoerd


Even if you are planning to travel to many countries? I'm wondering how
this would work. Only wondering as I don't really NEED to know. I'm just
being curious (or nosey, if you prefer ...

In article ,
Emilia wrote:

    > "Sjoerd" wrote in
    > news:[email protected]:
    >
    > >
    > > "Barbara Vaughan" schreef in bericht
    > > news:[email protected]...
    > >>
    > >>
    > >> Sjoerd wrote:
    > >> >
    > >> > "Jenn" schreef in bericht
    > >> > news:[email protected]...
    > >> > > I am in the process of doing this right now -- have my
    > >> > > appointment
    > > with
    > >> > > a consulate tomorrow -- they assure me that the 90 days can be
    > >> > > 'extended' with a visa
    > >> >
    > >> > Interesting. Please post the outcome of your visit to the consulate
    > > here, as
    > >> > so far Schengen visas would only be valid max. 90 days. Anything >
    > >> > 90
    > > days
    > >> > would have to be a residence permit.
    > >>
    > >> I believe you're wrong about this. The 90-day visa is a tourist visa,
    > >> but there are other types of visa, such as work or study visas. These
    > >> are of limited duration, but the term depends on the program of work
    > >> or study. A residence permit, I believe, has no fixed term and
    > >> wouldn't normally be granted as easily as any of these visas. My
    > >> daughter had an 8-month visa to study in Italy, but I'm almost
    > >> certain it was not a residence permit.
    > >
    > > What I meant was that there are no Schengen visas for longer than 90
    > > days. For anything longer than 90 days you get a permit / visa
    > > /whatever from one country.
    > >
    > > Sjoerd
    >
    >
    > Even if you are planning to travel to many countries? I'm wondering how
    > this would work. Only wondering as I don't really NEED to know. I'm just
    > being curious (or nosey, if you prefer ...
    >
    >
    >

according to the people we talked to, you get the visa through the
primary country you visit and then can travel anywhere in Schengen on
it.

"Jenn" schreef in bericht
news:[email protected]...
    > according to the people we talked to, you get the visa through the
    > primary country you visit and then can travel anywhere in Schengen on
    > it.

Correct, but max. for 90 days.

In article ,
"Sjoerd" wrote:

    > "Jenn" schreef in bericht
    > news:[email protected]...
    > > according to the people we talked to, you get the visa through the
    > > primary country you visit and then can travel anywhere in Schengen on
    > > it.
    >
    > Correct, but max. for 90 days.
    >
    >

not according to the consulate with whom I am working -- I may know more
tomorrow when we appear in person to get this done

Sjoerd wrote:
    >
    > "Barbara Vaughan" schreef in bericht
    > news:[email protected]...
    > >
    > >
    > > Sjoerd wrote:
    > > >
    > > > "Jenn" schreef in bericht
    > > > news:[email protected]...
    > > > > I am in the process of doing this right now -- have my appointment
    > with
    > > > > a consulate tomorrow -- they assure me that the 90 days can be
    > > > > 'extended' with a visa
    > > >
    > > > Interesting. Please post the outcome of your visit to the consulate
    > here, as
    > > > so far Schengen visas would only be valid max. 90 days. Anything > 90
    > days
    > > > would have to be a residence permit.
    > >
    > > I believe you're wrong about this. The 90-day visa is a tourist visa,
    > > but there are other types of visa, such as work or study visas. These
    > > are of limited duration, but the term depends on the program of work or
    > > study. A residence permit, I believe, has no fixed term and wouldn't
    > > normally be granted as easily as any of these visas. My daughter had an
    > > 8-month visa to study in Italy, but I'm almost certain it was not a
    > > residence permit.
    >
    > What I meant was that there are no Schengen visas for longer than 90 days.
    > For anything longer than 90 days you get a permit / visa /whatever from one
    > country.

Yes, that makes sense.

Barbara

"Judith Umbria" wrote in message news:...
    > "BLG" wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > > How do I get an extended visa to stay in Italy longer than 3 months.
    > > I will be staying with family stationed there in U.S. military.
    > > Anyone have any ideas?
    >
    > The Italian Embassy has pages and pages on this. Once you know what is
    > needed, you take it to your consulate and in a few weeks you may have a
    > visa.
    > Some of what is required is: proof you can support yourself without working;
    > a police report, sometimes from the FBI, in my case from the State Police;
    > proof of citizenship, forms (a few) filled out; both originals and copies of
    > financial documents showing your economic status; some passport sized
    > photos. Just go the the Embassy page and get the real scoop.

I have done all of this and was told the Residence Visa was for
Italian onlyin order to give them the possibility to go to Italy and
claim their Italian citizenship. This is a quote from the e-mail they
sent me.

"janet lagouranis" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > I have done all of this and was told the Residence Visa was for
    > Italian onlyin order to give them the possibility to go to Italy and
    > claim their Italian citizenship. This is a quote from the e-mail they
    > sent me.

This will be a huge surprise to all the British, German, Australian and
American expats who live here on residency permits. Of course the British
and Germans don't have to prove much and can get work permits.
I found I couldn't do a thing online, they didn't even answer my email
requests, but it did give me the list of what I needed to present with their
form.

"greg byshenk" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > A residence permit is not necessarily the same as a permit for _permanent_
    > residence. My first Dutch residence permit was for one year, my current
    > is for four years. Indeed, in many cases one cannot even request an
    > unlimited residence permit until after one has already been resident for
    > some number of years. A residence permit is merely a permit allowing one
    > to reside in a country for longer than the 90 days allowed as a "tourist".
    > --
    > greg byshenk

Confusion over two things. The visa is open-ended and that is what you get
in your home country. The Permesso di Soggiorno is what you apply for using
the visa within 8 days of arrival at the Polizia di Stato. My first one was
good for 1 year, second good for 2 and I hear this next one will last 4
years.

"Jenn" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > In article ,
    > "Sjoerd" wrote:
    > > "Jenn" schreef in bericht
    > > news:[email protected]...
    > > > according to the people we talked to, you get the visa through the
    > > > primary country you visit and then can travel anywhere in Schengen on
    > > > it.
    > >
    > > Correct, but max. for 90 days.
    > >
    > >
    > not according to the consulate with whom I am working -- I may know more
    > tomorrow when we appear in person to get this done

A Schengen visa is for 90 days only. You can get another type of visa for a
long stay within the EU but it would have to be from one country, the one
you arrive in first normally or the one where you will stay for the longest.
If you have a visa for Italy you can then go to the other countries.

Cristina

"janet lagouranis" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > "Judith Umbria" wrote in message
news:...
    > > "BLG" wrote in message
    > > news:[email protected]...
    > > > How do I get an extended visa to stay in Italy longer than 3 months.
    > > > I will be staying with family stationed there in U.S. military.
    > > > Anyone have any ideas?
    > >
    > > The Italian Embassy has pages and pages on this. Once you know what is
    > > needed, you take it to your consulate and in a few weeks you may have a
    > > visa.
    > > Some of what is required is: proof you can support yourself without
working;
    > > a police report, sometimes from the FBI, in my case from the State
Police;
    > > proof of citizenship, forms (a few) filled out; both originals and
copies of
    > > financial documents showing your economic status; some passport sized
    > > photos. Just go the the Embassy page and get the real scoop.
    > I have done all of this and was told the Residence Visa was for
    > Italian onlyin order to give them the possibility to go to Italy and
    > claim their Italian citizenship. This is a quote from the e-mail they
    > sent me.

They are wrong or just being difficult (the norm for consulate workers)
Here is the info from the Italian Embassy site.

http://www.italyemb.org/ElectiveResidenceVisa.htm

And here from the Chicago site:
http://www.italconschicago.org/english/index.htm

Print the pages and take them with you to the consulate.

I know they are wrong but I have no other place to go since I live in
Chicago, the last thing they told me was that there was nothing they
could do for me. Thanks for your help. Janet

"cristina" wrote in message news:...
    > "janet lagouranis" wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > > "Judith Umbria" wrote in message
    > news:...
    > > > "BLG" wrote in message
    > > > news:[email protected]...
    > > > > How do I get an extended visa to stay in Italy longer than 3 months.
    > > > > I will be staying with family stationed there in U.S. military.
    > > > > Anyone have any ideas?
    > > >
    > > > The Italian Embassy has pages and pages on this. Once you know what is
    > > > needed, you take it to your consulate and in a few weeks you may have a
    > > > visa.
    > > > Some of what is required is: proof you can support yourself without
    > working;
    > > > a police report, sometimes from the FBI, in my case from the State
    > Police;
    > > > proof of citizenship, forms (a few) filled out; both originals and
    > copies of
    > > > financial documents showing your economic status; some passport sized
    > > > photos. Just go the the Embassy page and get the real scoop.
    > >
    > > I have done all of this and was told the Residence Visa was for
    > > Italian onlyin order to give them the possibility to go to Italy and
    > > claim their Italian citizenship. This is a quote from the e-mail they
    > > sent me.
    >
    > They are wrong or just being difficult (the norm for consulate workers)
    > Here is the info from the Italian Embassy site.
    >
    > http://www.italyemb.org/ElectiveResidenceVisa.htm
    >
    > And here from the Chicago site:
    > http://www.italconschicago.org/english/index.htm
    >
    > Print the pages and take them with you to the consulate.

I went to the consulate twice, they were not helpful at all. Thanks.
I am leaving on May 27th.

"Judith Umbria" wrote in message news:...
    > "janet lagouranis" wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > > I have done all of this and was told the Residence Visa was for
    > > Italian onlyin order to give them the possibility to go to Italy and
    > > claim their Italian citizenship. This is a quote from the e-mail they
    > > sent me.
    >
    > This will be a huge surprise to all the British, German, Australian and
    > American expats who live here on residency permits. Of course the British
    > and Germans don't have to prove much and can get work permits.
    > I found I couldn't do a thing online, they didn't even answer my email
    > requests, but it did give me the list of what I needed to present with their
    > form.

Have you tried calling the American Consulate in Italy?



[email protected] (janet lagouranis) wrote in
news:[email protected]:

    > I know they are wrong but I have no other place to go since I live in
    > Chicago, the last thing they told me was that there was nothing they
    > could do for me. Thanks for your help. Janet
    >
    > "cristina" wrote in
    > message news:...
    >> "janet lagouranis" wrote in message
    >> news:[email protected]...
    >> > "Judith Umbria" wrote in message
    >> news:...
    >> > > "BLG" wrote in message
    >> > > news:[email protected]...
    >> > > > How do I get an extended visa to stay in Italy longer than 3
    >> > > > months. I will be staying with family stationed there in U.S.
    >> > > > military. Anyone have any ideas?
    >> > >
    >> > > The Italian Embassy has pages and pages on this. Once you know
    >> > > what is needed, you take it to your consulate and in a few weeks
    >> > > you may have a visa.
    >> > > Some of what is required is: proof you can support yourself
    >> > > without
    >> working;
    >> > > a police report, sometimes from the FBI, in my case from the
    >> > > State
    >> Police;
    >> > > proof of citizenship, forms (a few) filled out; both originals
    >> > > and
    >> copies of
    >> > > financial documents showing your economic status; some passport
    >> > > sized photos. Just go the the Embassy page and get the real
    >> > > scoop.
    >> >
    >> > I have done all of this and was told the Residence Visa was for
    >> > Italian onlyin order to give them the possibility to go to Italy
    >> > and claim their Italian citizenship. This is a quote from the
    >> > e-mail they sent me.
    >>
    >> They are wrong or just being difficult (the norm for consulate
    >> workers) Here is the info from the Italian Embassy site.
    >>
    >> http://www.italyemb.org/ElectiveResidenceVisa.htm
    >>
    >> And here from the Chicago site:
    >> http://www.italconschicago.org/english/index.htm
    >>
    >> Print the pages and take them with you to the consulate.
    >