How do I get an extended visa to stay in Italy longer than 3 months.
I will be staying with family stationed there in U.S. military.
Anyone have any ideas?

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[email protected] (BLG) wrote:

    > How do I get an extended visa to stay in Italy longer than 3 months.
    > I will be staying with family stationed there in U.S. military.
    > Anyone have any ideas?


if one ends up a few days over the 90 as one travels around Europe does
this create a real problem? Are careful entrance and exit records kept?
Is one barred from returning?

BLG wrote:

    > How do I get an extended visa to stay in Italy longer than 3 months.
    > I will be staying with family stationed there in U.S. military.
    > Anyone have any ideas?


I don't know the exact situation now, but some years ago it was nearly
impossible to have visa extensions or changes in visa status in Italy. I
remember some case in which my company employed some non-EC nationals.
Those entering Italy on a tourist visa weren't able to have their visa
upgraded, and had all to get out of Italy (Switzerland being the closest
place) and have their visa reworked outsid of Italy.

I would expect the situation now to be even stricter. You'd better ask
your nearest Italian consulate.

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Luca Logi - Firenze - Italy e-mail: [email protected]

In 1fshui8.1pul5te1b9vn5cN%[email protected], Luca Logi wrote:

    > BLG wrote:
    >> How do I get an extended visa to stay in Italy longer than 3
months.
    >> I will be staying with family stationed there in U.S.
military.
    >> Anyone have any ideas?
    > I don't know the exact situation now, but some years ago it was
nearly
    > impossible to have visa extensions or changes in visa status in
    > Italy.


Does that mean, for example, that if a US citizen wanted to move
to and live in Italy, he wouldn't be permitted to do so?

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"Ken Blake" wrote in message
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    > In 1fshui8.1pul5te1b9vn5cN%[email protected], Luca Logi wrote:
    > > BLG wrote:
    > >
    > >> How do I get an extended visa to stay in Italy longer than 3
    > months.
    > >> I will be staying with family stationed there in U.S.
    > military.
    > >> Anyone have any ideas?
    > >
    > >
    > > I don't know the exact situation now, but some years ago it was
    > nearly
    > > impossible to have visa extensions or changes in visa status in
    > > Italy.
    > Does that mean, for example, that if a US citizen wanted to move
    > to and live in Italy, he wouldn't be permitted to do so?
There is a strict rule applied to non-EU citizens living (and working) in a
EU country like Italy. Basically to stay longer than 3 months (normal for
tourists), you have to get a visa in advance. As you cannot work without
work permit (very hard to get), you have to satisfy the authorities you'll
have enough money to house yourself (and your dependants if any), to live on
and have medical insurance. Alternatives include study, marriage to EU
national, working holiday (for some countries and under certain age) and
various kinds of exchange scheme.

Alec

BLG wrote:
    >
    > How do I get an extended visa to stay in Italy longer than 3 months.
    > I will be staying with family stationed there in U.S. military.
    > Anyone have any ideas?

It would help if you were planning to study in Italy. If you have proof
of enrollment in any sort of official course, and proof also of either
having paid for room and board, or having made other provisions for your
upkeep, you can get a study visa for the duration of the course.

If the American family will be maintaining you, they may be able to get
permission to have you stay with them. I have often had to visit the
police station that deals with residence permits, and have seen people
(Italian and non Italian) there trying to get permission for foreigners
to stay with them.

Barbara

Ken Blake wrote:
    >
    > In 1fshui8.1pul5te1b9vn5cN%[email protected], Luca Logi wrote:
    >
    > > BLG wrote:
    > >
    > >> How do I get an extended visa to stay in Italy longer than 3
    > months.
    > >> I will be staying with family stationed there in U.S.
    > military.
    > >> Anyone have any ideas?
    > >
    > >
    > > I don't know the exact situation now, but some years ago it was
    > nearly
    > > impossible to have visa extensions or changes in visa status in
    > > Italy.
    >
    > Does that mean, for example, that if a US citizen wanted to move
    > to and live in Italy, he wouldn't be permitted to do so?

Permission wouldn't be automatically granted. It would partly depend on
whether the American also wanted to work in Italy, and if not, whether
they American had independent means of support. I married an Italian,
but still had to do an awful lot of paperwork to get permission to live
here.

Barbara

Ken Blake wrote:

    > Does that mean, for example, that if a US citizen wanted to move
    > to and live in Italy, he wouldn't be permitted to do so?


Pardon me sir, but if an Italian wanted to move to and live in US, the
permission would be automatically granted?


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Luca Logi - Firenze - Italy e-mail: [email protected]

Just like an Italian who wanted to move to and live in the US a visa
would be required.

Frank Matthews

Ken Blake wrote:
    > In 1fshui8.1pul5te1b9vn5cN%[email protected], Luca Logi wrote:

    >>BLG wrote:

    >>>How do I get an extended visa to stay in Italy longer than 3 months.
    >>>I will be staying with family stationed there in U.S. military.

    >>>Anyone have any ideas?

    >>I don't know the exact situation now, but some years ago it was nearly
    >>impossible to have visa extensions or changes in visa status in Italy.

    > Does that mean, for example, that if a US citizen wanted to move
    > to and live in Italy, he wouldn't be permitted to do so?

In 1fsi0p6.cxkz7o1co3nz0N%[email protected], Luca Logi wrote:

    > Ken Blake wrote:
    >> Does that mean, for example, that if a US citizen wanted to
move
    >> to and live in Italy, he wouldn't be permitted to do so?
    > Pardon me sir, but if an Italian wanted to move to and live in
US, the
    > permission would be automatically granted?


No, of course not. Sorry, I didn't mean to ask whether the
permission would be automatically granted, but only whether it
was possible to get permission.


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In [email protected], Barbara Vaughan wrote:

    > Ken Blake wrote:

    >> Does that mean, for example, that if a US citizen wanted to
move
    >> to and live in Italy, he wouldn't be permitted to do so?
    > Permission wouldn't be automatically granted. It would partly
depend
    > on whether the American also wanted to work in Italy, and if
not,
    > whether they American had independent means of support. I
married an
    > Italian, but still had to do an awful lot of paperwork to get
    > permission to live here.


So if I, a retired American, who didn't want to work there, it
would at least theoretically be possible, although it might be a
nuisance to accomplish?

Although I think I might like to do this some day, my wife
wouldn't, so my question is more hypothetical than anything else.

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Ken Blake
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In [email protected], Alec wrote:

    > "Ken Blake" wrote in
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    >> Does that mean, for example, that if a US citizen wanted to
move
    >> to and live in Italy, he wouldn't be permitted to do so?
    > There is a strict rule applied to non-EU citizens living (and
    > working) in a EU country like Italy. Basically to stay longer
than 3
    > months (normal for tourists), you have to get a visa in
advance. As
    > you cannot work without work permit (very hard to get), you
have to
    > satisfy the authorities you'll have enough money to house
yourself
    > (and your dependants if any), to live on and have medical
insurance.


Thanks. That makes sense and it was what I would have expected.

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"BLG" wrote in message
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    > How do I get an extended visa to stay in Italy longer than 3 months.
    > I will be staying with family stationed there in U.S. military.
    > Anyone have any ideas?

The Italian Embassy has pages and pages on this. Once you know what is
needed, you take it to your consulate and in a few weeks you may have a
visa.
Some of what is required is: proof you can support yourself without working;
a police report, sometimes from the FBI, in my case from the State Police;
proof of citizenship, forms (a few) filled out; both originals and copies of
financial documents showing your economic status; some passport sized
photos. Just go the the Embassy page and get the real scoop.

"Jenn" wrote in message
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    > In article ,
    > [email protected] (BLG) wrote:
    > > How do I get an extended visa to stay in Italy longer than 3 months.
    > > I will be staying with family stationed there in U.S. military.
    > > Anyone have any ideas?
    > if one ends up a few days over the 90 as one travels around Europe does
    > this create a real problem? Are careful entrance and exit records kept?
    > Is one barred from returning?

Yes, but you might not be caught. If you are caught, randomly perhaps, you
are repatriated and cannot return to any EU country for 5 years and then you
must get permission. Why chance it?
I was stopped on my way back from the train station 2 weeks ago. Just
random stops in a country village where there have been lots of teenaged
African street prostitutes living -- they are all gone now.
My docs are in order. If they hadn't been I'd have been arrested. The
carabinieri read every page of every document by flashlight and asked
questions besides. Illegal aliens come from everywhere, not just poor
countries.

"Barbara Vaughan" wrote in message
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    > It would help if you were planning to study in Italy. If you have proof
    > of enrollment in any sort of official course, and proof also of either
    > having paid for room and board, or having made other provisions for your
    > upkeep, you can get a study visa for the duration of the course.
    > Barbara

This is recently changed. You now must prove you have exhausted your
homeland resources for study before they will permit a study visa. I know
of a couple who were turned down last week for study on that basis. This
could be disastrous for the many Italian schools that survive on basic
Italian studies. I can hear them crumbling as I type.