Judith Umbria wrote:
    >
    > "Barbara Vaughan" wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > > It would help if you were planning to study in Italy. If you have proof
    > > of enrollment in any sort of official course, and proof also of either
    > > having paid for room and board, or having made other provisions for your
    > > upkeep, you can get a study visa for the duration of the course.
    > > Barbara
    >
    > This is recently changed. You now must prove you have exhausted your
    > homeland resources for study before they will permit a study visa. I know
    > of a couple who were turned down last week for study on that basis. This
    > could be disastrous for the many Italian schools that survive on basic
    > Italian studies. I can hear them crumbling as I type.

That's very strange; all the Italian cooking schools, wine-tasting
schools, language-cum-culture schools? The economy of Tuscany will take
a terrible hit.

Just out of curiosity, what were these people hoping to study?

Barbara

Judith Umbria wrote:
    >
    > "Barbara Vaughan" wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > > It would help if you were planning to study in Italy. If you have proof
    > > of enrollment in any sort of official course, and proof also of either
    > > having paid for room and board, or having made other provisions for your
    > > upkeep, you can get a study visa for the duration of the course.
    > > Barbara
    >
    > This is recently changed. You now must prove you have exhausted your
    > homeland resources for study before they will permit a study visa. I know
    > of a couple who were turned down last week for study on that basis. This
    > could be disastrous for the many Italian schools that survive on basic
    > Italian studies. I can hear them crumbling as I type.

I just thought of something else: does this mean no more
junior-year-abroad for American university students? My daughter studied
at the Center for Classical Studies in Rome, which is attended by
American university students who are studying Latin in its homeland.
This law, if it is as you report, would mean the end of that school,
which has a long history in Rome.

Barbara

Barbara Vaughan wrote in
news:[email protected]:

    >
    >
    > Judith Umbria wrote:
    >>
    >> "Barbara Vaughan" wrote in message
    >> news:[email protected]...
    >> > It would help if you were planning to study in Italy. If you have
    >> > proof of enrollment in any sort of official course, and proof also
    >> > of either having paid for room and board, or having made other
    >> > provisions for your upkeep, you can get a study visa for the
    >> > duration of the course. Barbara
    >>
    >> This is recently changed. You now must prove you have exhausted your
    >> homeland resources for study before they will permit a study visa. I
    >> know of a couple who were turned down last week for study on that
    >> basis. This could be disastrous for the many Italian schools that
    >> survive on basic Italian studies. I can hear them crumbling as I
    >> type.
    >
    > That's very strange; all the Italian cooking schools, wine-tasting
    > schools, language-cum-culture schools? The economy of Tuscany will
    > take a terrible hit.
    >
    > Just out of curiosity, what were these people hoping to study?
    >
    > Barbara

But aren't those mostly classes under the 90 day thus nor requiring a
visa?

"Barbara Vaughan" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > I just thought of something else: does this mean no more
    > junior-year-abroad for American university students? My daughter studied
    > at the Center for Classical Studies in Rome, which is attended by
    > American university students who are studying Latin in its homeland.
    > This law, if it is as you report, would mean the end of that school,
    > which has a long history in Rome.

As long as you are enrolled in an American school you can apply and normally
get the student visa. There is a quota though now as well on student visas.

Cristina

"Ken Blake" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > So if I, a retired American, who didn't want to work there, it
    > would at least theoretically be possible, although it might be a
    > nuisance to accomplish?

Yes, you would need to have proof of money (a pension etc.), a felony report
(essentially a report saying that you have never been convicted of a
felony), health insurance, letter of reason, a contract for housing and a
few other documents probably (each consulate may request any additional docs
that they wish). You need to apply 90 days before departure (not a day
earlier) and it can take up to 90 days to get the visa :-)

Check out your Italian Consulate's webpage for more info (under extended or
long stay visa)

Cristina

"cristina" wrote in
message news:[email protected]...
    > "Ken Blake" wrote in
message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > >
    > > So if I, a retired American, who didn't want to work there,
it
    > > would at least theoretically be possible, although it might
be a
    > > nuisance to accomplish?
    > Yes, you would need to have proof of money (a pension etc.), a
felony report
    > (essentially a report saying that you have never been convicted
of a
    > felony), health insurance, letter of reason, a contract for
housing and a
    > few other documents probably (each consulate may request any
additional docs
    > that they wish). You need to apply 90 days before departure
(not a day
    > earlier) and it can take up to 90 days to get the visa :-)


Thanks very much.

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In article ,
"Ken Blake" wrote:

    > "cristina" wrote in
    > message news:[email protected]...
    > >
    > > "Ken Blake" wrote in
    > message
    > > news:[email protected]...
    > > >
    > > > So if I, a retired American, who didn't want to work there,
    > it
    > > > would at least theoretically be possible, although it might
    > be a
    > > > nuisance to accomplish?
    > >
    > > Yes, you would need to have proof of money (a pension etc.), a
    > felony report
    > > (essentially a report saying that you have never been convicted
    > of a
    > > felony), health insurance, letter of reason, a contract for
    > housing and a
    > > few other documents probably (each consulate may request any
    > additional docs
    > > that they wish). You need to apply 90 days before departure
    > (not a day
    > > earlier) and it can take up to 90 days to get the visa :-)
    >
    >
    > Thanks very much.

the scarey part is you have to drive in person to the city with the
consulate and leave your passport with them -- we are cutting it a bit
fine in timing as we didn't realize the 90 day Schengen limit [which is
smaller than in the past when one could move from country to country and
avoid limits] and I am very nervous about driving home with some
bureaucracy in possession of my passport so close to the trip. the
consulate in question has promissed the visa in 9 days.

"Jenn" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > > > Yes, you would need to have proof of money (a pension etc.), a
    > > felony report
    > > > (essentially a report saying that you have never been convicted
    > > of a
    > > > felony), health insurance, letter of reason, a contract for
    > > housing and a
    > > > few other documents probably (each consulate may request any
    > > additional docs
    > > > that they wish). You need to apply 90 days before departure
    > > (not a day
    > > > earlier) and it can take up to 90 days to get the visa :-)
    > >
    > >
    > > Thanks very much.
    > the scarey part is you have to drive in person to the city with the
    > consulate and leave your passport with them -- we are cutting it a bit
    > fine in timing as we didn't realize the 90 day Schengen limit [which is
    > smaller than in the past when one could move from country to country and
    > avoid limits] and I am very nervous about driving home with some
    > bureaucracy in possession of my passport so close to the trip. the
    > consulate in question has promissed the visa in 9 days.

That's amazingly fast, jenn. I wouldn't worry about the passport. Timing
is the worry. I was making a household move and had to use the consulate in
DC. The visa was ready the day before the move, a 2.5 hour drive each way
on a day that was of course incredibly busy and stressful.
They need the passport because the visa is permanently affixed in it.

"Judith Umbria" wrote in message news:...
    > "BLG" wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > > How do I get an extended visa to stay in Italy longer than 3 months.
    > > I will be staying with family stationed there in U.S. military.
    > > Anyone have any ideas?
    >
    > The Italian Embassy has pages and pages on this. Once you know what is
    > needed, you take it to your consulate and in a few weeks you may have a
    > visa.
    > Some of what is required is: proof you can support yourself without working;
    > a police report, sometimes from the FBI, in my case from the State Police;
    > proof of citizenship, forms (a few) filled out; both originals and copies of
    > financial documents showing your economic status; some passport sized
    > photos. Just go the the Embassy page and get the real scoop.

The Italian Consul in Chicago is telling me this is only for Italians
returning to Italy which makes no sense to me. I'm hoping I can just
go to the local police station when I arrive in Italy and get some
sort of permission on my visa to stay longer as well as leave the
country and come back. Am I just dreaming?

BLG wrote:

    > The Italian Consul in Chicago is telling me this is only for Italians
    > returning to Italy which makes no sense to me. I'm hoping I can just
    > go to the local police station when I arrive in Italy and get some
    > sort of permission on my visa to stay longer as well as leave the
    > country and come back. Am I just dreaming?


Probably you're dreaming. Some time ago my employer had problems
converting tourist visa into working visa for some non-EC workers on a
long (1 year) contract. Apparently this couldn't be done in Italy, but
only at a consulate outside Italy. All the people had to exit Italy and
reenter on a different visa. But, honestly, this was before the Schengen
regulation.

--
Luca Logi - Firenze - Italy e-mail: [email protected]

"BLG" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > > Some of what is required is: proof you can support yourself without
working;
    > > a police report, sometimes from the FBI, in my case from the State
Police;
    > > proof of citizenship, forms (a few) filled out; both originals and
copies of
    > > financial documents showing your economic status; some passport sized
    > > photos. Just go the the Embassy page and get the real scoop.
    > The Italian Consul in Chicago is telling me this is only for Italians
    > returning to Italy which makes no sense to me. I'm hoping I can just
    > go to the local police station when I arrive in Italy and get some
    > sort of permission on my visa to stay longer as well as leave the
    > country and come back. Am I just dreaming?

Yes, you are just dreaming. I did it. You cannot do it from Italy. You
must make it clear you are asking for a visa (vista) for a stay longer than
90 days. An Italian doesn't need a visa to come home.
A friend here thought she could. She hired a lawyer to go at it and the
lawyer said sure, it could be done. Net result is four months later the
lawyer says it can't be done. She has to go back to the US and wait until
the visa is approved and affixed to her passport. Now her home is here, the
only home she owns is here. She has owned it for 2 1/2 years. It doesn't
matter.

In article ,
[email protected] (BLG) wrote:

    > "Judith Umbria" wrote in message
    > news:...
    > > "BLG" wrote in message
    > > news:[email protected]...
    > > > How do I get an extended visa to stay in Italy longer than 3 months.
    > > > I will be staying with family stationed there in U.S. military.
    > > > Anyone have any ideas?
    > >
    > > The Italian Embassy has pages and pages on this. Once you know what is
    > > needed, you take it to your consulate and in a few weeks you may have a
    > > visa.
    > > Some of what is required is: proof you can support yourself without
    > > working;
    > > a police report, sometimes from the FBI, in my case from the State Police;
    > > proof of citizenship, forms (a few) filled out; both originals and copies
    > > of
    > > financial documents showing your economic status; some passport sized
    > > photos. Just go the the Embassy page and get the real scoop.
    >
    > The Italian Consul in Chicago is telling me this is only for Italians
    > returning to Italy which makes no sense to me. I'm hoping I can just
    > go to the local police station when I arrive in Italy and get some
    > sort of permission on my visa to stay longer as well as leave the
    > country and come back. Am I just dreaming?


yes, you must do this before leaving the country.

"Judith Umbria" wrote in
news:[email protected]:

    >
    > "BLG" wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    >> > Some of what is required is: proof you can support yourself without
    > working;
    >> > a police report, sometimes from the FBI, in my case from the State
    > Police;
    >> > proof of citizenship, forms (a few) filled out; both originals and
    > copies of
    >> > financial documents showing your economic status; some passport
    >> > sized photos. Just go the the Embassy page and get the real scoop.
    >> The Italian Consul in Chicago is telling me this is only for Italians
    >> returning to Italy which makes no sense to me. I'm hoping I can just
    >> go to the local police station when I arrive in Italy and get some
    >> sort of permission on my visa to stay longer as well as leave the
    >> country and come back. Am I just dreaming?
    >
    > Yes, you are just dreaming. I did it. You cannot do it from Italy.
    > You must make it clear you are asking for a visa (vista) for a stay
    > longer than 90 days. An Italian doesn't need a visa to come home.
    > A friend here thought she could. She hired a lawyer to go at it and
    > the lawyer said sure, it could be done. Net result is four months
    > later the lawyer says it can't be done. She has to go back to the US
    > and wait until the visa is approved and affixed to her passport. Now
    > her home is here, the only home she owns is here. She has owned it
    > for 2 1/2 years. It doesn't matter.


Couldn't she go to Switzerland?

[email protected] (BLG) wrote in
news:[email protected]:

    > "Judith Umbria" wrote in message
    > news:...
    >> "BLG" wrote in message
    >> news:[email protected]...
    >> > How do I get an extended visa to stay in Italy longer than 3
    >> > months. I will be staying with family stationed there in U.S.
    >> > military. Anyone have any ideas?
    >>
    >> The Italian Embassy has pages and pages on this. Once you know what
    >> is needed, you take it to your consulate and in a few weeks you may
    >> have a visa.
    >> Some of what is required is: proof you can support yourself without
    >> working; a police report, sometimes from the FBI, in my case from the
    >> State Police; proof of citizenship, forms (a few) filled out; both
    >> originals and copies of financial documents showing your economic
    >> status; some passport sized photos. Just go the the Embassy page and
    >> get the real scoop.
    >
    > The Italian Consul in Chicago is telling me this is only for Italians
    > returning to Italy which makes no sense to me. I'm hoping I can just
    > go to the local police station when I arrive in Italy and get some
    > sort of permission on my visa to stay longer as well as leave the
    > country and come back. Am I just dreaming?



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"Emilia" wrote in message
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She has to go back to the US
    > > and wait until the visa is approved and affixed to her passport.

    > Couldn't she go to Switzerland?

It would be nigh unto impossible for an American citizen to obtain the
documentation required in a third country, and she'd have to stay in the
third country for up to 90 days. It doesn't make sense. The police report
for example would still have to come from the US.