ATM's.......
Aug 24th 2002, 3:54 pm
#1411
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On Sat, 24 Aug 2002 08:57:03 +0100, "JohnT" <[email protected]> wrote:
>"Hatunen" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
>> But the Lady of Spain shouldn't claim to be Hispanic when applying for a job in
>> the USA.
>Is it a bit like "1984" (the George Orwell novel) nowadays in the USA? And, just out
>of interest, does one have to specify ehnic origin when applying for a job in USA?
Really only if there is some sort of affirmative action program (*) place and the
applicant wants to take advantage of it.
(*) A sort of ethnic preference program supposedly to atone for past discrimination
by bringing the playing field bac to level. But even mentioning such programs may
start a long, long thread of political argument.
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>"Hatunen" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
>> But the Lady of Spain shouldn't claim to be Hispanic when applying for a job in
>> the USA.
>Is it a bit like "1984" (the George Orwell novel) nowadays in the USA? And, just out
>of interest, does one have to specify ehnic origin when applying for a job in USA?
Really only if there is some sort of affirmative action program (*) place and the
applicant wants to take advantage of it.
(*) A sort of ethnic preference program supposedly to atone for past discrimination
by bringing the playing field bac to level. But even mentioning such programs may
start a long, long thread of political argument.
************ DAVE HATUNEN ([email protected]) ***********
* Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow * ******* My typos are
intentional copyright traps ******
Aug 24th 2002, 3:58 pm
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On 24 Aug 2002 09:54:09 GMT, [email protected] (Vitaly Shmatikov) wrote:
> Widely available means that people who live in big metro areas in America have
> choices in food that the average European cannot imagine.
Nor, to be fair, might the average non-Metro American imagine. Do not judge all of
America based on observations made in the San Francisco Bay Area or in New York city.
I should point out that I have eaten Italian, Mexican and Chinese in Helsinki. As
well as Finn and Lapp, of course.
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> Widely available means that people who live in big metro areas in America have
> choices in food that the average European cannot imagine.
Nor, to be fair, might the average non-Metro American imagine. Do not judge all of
America based on observations made in the San Francisco Bay Area or in New York city.
I should point out that I have eaten Italian, Mexican and Chinese in Helsinki. As
well as Finn and Lapp, of course.
************ DAVE HATUNEN ([email protected]) ***********
* Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow * ******* My typos are
intentional copyright traps ******
Aug 24th 2002, 5:13 pm
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JohnT <[email protected]> wrote:
> Is it a bit like "1984" (the George Orwell novel) nowadays in the USA? And,
> just out of interest, does one have to specify ehnic origin when applying for a
> job in USA?
While I don't think it's explicitly illegal, most employers wouldn't even dare ask.
Too easy to create the impression of using the information to make hiring decisions,
which would be illegal (except in the movie industry, I guess).
If you apply for a government job, they do ask, on a separate and voluntary form
which they say is only used for statistical purposes (and I believe them).
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> Is it a bit like "1984" (the George Orwell novel) nowadays in the USA? And,
> just out of interest, does one have to specify ehnic origin when applying for a
> job in USA?
While I don't think it's explicitly illegal, most employers wouldn't even dare ask.
Too easy to create the impression of using the information to make hiring decisions,
which would be illegal (except in the movie industry, I guess).
If you apply for a government job, they do ask, on a separate and voluntary form
which they say is only used for statistical purposes (and I believe them).
miguel
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Hit The Road! Photos and tales from around the world:
http://travel.u.nu New mini photo-feature: Life in
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Aug 24th 2002, 5:18 pm
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Vitaly Shmatikov <[email protected]> wrote:
> Mika <[email protected]> wrote:
>> If you want to compare the "low" end, I'll take Thailand or Mexico over the
>> rest of the world any day. Best street food, dirt cheap. And neither dirty nor
>> bad at all. Or Malaysia. I'll try any place where I pay according to the color
>> of the plate.
> Neither comes close to America in terms of variety. I haven't been to Malaysia,
> but I suspect if you feel like having pot au feu for dinner, or a Persian kabob, or
> a chile relleno in Malaysia, you'll be up the creek without a paddle. Although I
> am sure local food is excellent, and quite sufficient if you are just passing
> through the place, not living there.
An advantage of my oft-touted Malaysia, as compared to some others, is that the
nation is made up of huge numbers of immigrants from three countries with distinctive
and, many would say, delectable, cuisines: China, India, and Indonesia (though a
whole lot less of the latter as of the explusion now underway!)
That makes for a whole lot more variety than you'd find in most countries - though
nowhere near, of course, the variety you'd find in the USA or parts of Europe.
miguel
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> Mika <[email protected]> wrote:
>> If you want to compare the "low" end, I'll take Thailand or Mexico over the
>> rest of the world any day. Best street food, dirt cheap. And neither dirty nor
>> bad at all. Or Malaysia. I'll try any place where I pay according to the color
>> of the plate.
> Neither comes close to America in terms of variety. I haven't been to Malaysia,
> but I suspect if you feel like having pot au feu for dinner, or a Persian kabob, or
> a chile relleno in Malaysia, you'll be up the creek without a paddle. Although I
> am sure local food is excellent, and quite sufficient if you are just passing
> through the place, not living there.
An advantage of my oft-touted Malaysia, as compared to some others, is that the
nation is made up of huge numbers of immigrants from three countries with distinctive
and, many would say, delectable, cuisines: China, India, and Indonesia (though a
whole lot less of the latter as of the explusion now underway!)
That makes for a whole lot more variety than you'd find in most countries - though
nowhere near, of course, the variety you'd find in the USA or parts of Europe.
miguel
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Hit The Road! Photos and tales from around the world:
http://travel.u.nu New mini photo-feature: Life in
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Aug 24th 2002, 6:59 pm
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Miguel Cruz wrote:
> JohnT <[email protected]> wrote:
> > Is it a bit like "1984" (the George Orwell novel) nowadays in the USA? And, just
> > out of interest, does one have to specify ehnic origin when applying for a job
> > in USA?
> While I don't think it's explicitly illegal, most employers wouldn't even dare ask.
Dunno how it is now, but after the first FEP legislation was passed, it WAS
"explicitly" illegal. However, that was before "affirmative action", which requires
college students to include ethnic background on their applications for enrollment -
that probably means employers must ask, too.
> JohnT <[email protected]> wrote:
> > Is it a bit like "1984" (the George Orwell novel) nowadays in the USA? And, just
> > out of interest, does one have to specify ehnic origin when applying for a job
> > in USA?
> While I don't think it's explicitly illegal, most employers wouldn't even dare ask.
Dunno how it is now, but after the first FEP legislation was passed, it WAS
"explicitly" illegal. However, that was before "affirmative action", which requires
college students to include ethnic background on their applications for enrollment -
that probably means employers must ask, too.
Aug 24th 2002, 8:09 pm
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On Sat, 24 Aug 2002, Hatunen wrote:
> On Sat, 24 Aug 2002 08:57:03 +0100, "JohnT" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >"Hatunen" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> >> But the Lady of Spain shouldn't claim to be Hispanic when applying for a job in
> >> the USA.
> >>
> >Is it a bit like "1984" (the George Orwell novel) nowadays in the USA? And, just
> >out of interest, does one have to specify ehnic origin when applying for a job
> >in USA?
> Really only if there is some sort of affirmative action program (*) place and the
> applicant wants to take advantage of it.
Usually just for monitoring purposes, in my experience, and the form isn't seen by
those awarding the job.
Same for UK universities, btw. And there ain't no affirmative action
(t)here.
> (*) A sort of ethnic preference program supposedly to atone for past discrimination
> by bringing the playing field bac to level.
This is one justification for affirmative action, but not necessarily the best one.
> ************ DAVE HATUNEN ([email protected]) ***********
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> On Sat, 24 Aug 2002 08:57:03 +0100, "JohnT" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >"Hatunen" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> >> But the Lady of Spain shouldn't claim to be Hispanic when applying for a job in
> >> the USA.
> >>
> >Is it a bit like "1984" (the George Orwell novel) nowadays in the USA? And, just
> >out of interest, does one have to specify ehnic origin when applying for a job
> >in USA?
> Really only if there is some sort of affirmative action program (*) place and the
> applicant wants to take advantage of it.
Usually just for monitoring purposes, in my experience, and the form isn't seen by
those awarding the job.
Same for UK universities, btw. And there ain't no affirmative action
(t)here.
> (*) A sort of ethnic preference program supposedly to atone for past discrimination
> by bringing the playing field bac to level.
This is one justification for affirmative action, but not necessarily the best one.
> ************ DAVE HATUNEN ([email protected]) ***********
Take care
Jon
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Aug 24th 2002, 8:40 pm
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On Sat, 24 Aug 2002 16:09:15 -0400, JBM <[email protected]> wrote:
>On Sat, 24 Aug 2002, Hatunen wrote:
>> On Sat, 24 Aug 2002 08:57:03 +0100, "JohnT" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >"Hatunen" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
>> >> But the Lady of Spain shouldn't claim to be Hispanic when applying for a job in
>> >> the USA.
>> >>
>> >Is it a bit like "1984" (the George Orwell novel) nowadays in the USA? And, just
>> >out of interest, does one have to specify ehnic origin when applying for a job
>> >in USA?
>> Really only if there is some sort of affirmative action program (*) place and the
>> applicant wants to take advantage of it.
>Usually just for monitoring purposes, in my experience, and the form isn't seen by
>those awarding the job.
>Same for UK universities, btw. And there ain't no affirmative action
>(t)here.
Which part of "when applying for a job in the USA" are you referring to here?
About a decade ago there was a big flap in San Francisco when a firefighter of
European extraction claimed Hispanicity in applying for a promotion.
The current state of affirmative action programs in the USA is one of flux, and it's
not yet clear whetehr they will remain, be eliminated, or be modified.
>> (*) A sort of ethnic preference program supposedly to atone for past
>> discrimination by bringing the playing field bac to level.
>This is one justification for affirmative action, but not necessarily the best one.
It was the philosophy expressed at the time affirmative action laws and rules were
first adopted in the USA. I don't know that congresscritters and bureaucrats deal in
"best" philosphies.
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>On Sat, 24 Aug 2002, Hatunen wrote:
>> On Sat, 24 Aug 2002 08:57:03 +0100, "JohnT" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >"Hatunen" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
>> >> But the Lady of Spain shouldn't claim to be Hispanic when applying for a job in
>> >> the USA.
>> >>
>> >Is it a bit like "1984" (the George Orwell novel) nowadays in the USA? And, just
>> >out of interest, does one have to specify ehnic origin when applying for a job
>> >in USA?
>> Really only if there is some sort of affirmative action program (*) place and the
>> applicant wants to take advantage of it.
>Usually just for monitoring purposes, in my experience, and the form isn't seen by
>those awarding the job.
>Same for UK universities, btw. And there ain't no affirmative action
>(t)here.
Which part of "when applying for a job in the USA" are you referring to here?
About a decade ago there was a big flap in San Francisco when a firefighter of
European extraction claimed Hispanicity in applying for a promotion.
The current state of affirmative action programs in the USA is one of flux, and it's
not yet clear whetehr they will remain, be eliminated, or be modified.
>> (*) A sort of ethnic preference program supposedly to atone for past
>> discrimination by bringing the playing field bac to level.
>This is one justification for affirmative action, but not necessarily the best one.
It was the philosophy expressed at the time affirmative action laws and rules were
first adopted in the USA. I don't know that congresscritters and bureaucrats deal in
"best" philosphies.
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Aug 24th 2002, 11:58 pm
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In article <[email protected]>, Sjoerd
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Jesus, man when are going to start reading what people have posted here? In
>Amsterdam, I can eat in restaurants from as many as 100 different nationalities, the
>vast majority of which are not former NL colonies. Some of these restaurants are
>excellent, some are good, some are not so good, some are bad. Just as in New York or
>San Francisco.
I readily admit that Amsterdam is pretty decent as far as European cities go.
Foodwise, it's an order of magnitude better than a city of similar size in France
or Italy. But to compare it with San Francisco is *really* pushing it (a
comparison with NY would be unfair, since it's 10 times bigger than Amsterdam).
San Francisco is not the best city in America for food (that honor should go to
LA), but both at the top end (expensive French- Mediterranean-Californicated
cuisine, Michelin-stars quality) and low end (Asian and American street food), San
Francisco blows Amsterdam away. It's just a matter of demographics. I think smth
like 1/3 of population is Asian, so you get all sorts of weird regional Asian
foods, half of which I don't even know the names of (the signs aren't in English
anyway, and vendors don't speak English all that well). Same for Latin American
(there might be more Salvadoran eateries in SF than Salvadorans in Amsterdam), even
eastern European food, including weirdest stuff, like a Russian restaurant with
bottles of soy sauce on the tables because the owners - a white Russian family -
came to America by way of Shanghai in the late 30s. Tapas bars, breweries,
old-fashioned Italian pasta joints, country French, Kurdish kabob grills - for any
type of restaurant that exists in Amsterdam, there are probably five in San
Francisco, and then another five that you've never heard of.
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Jesus, man when are going to start reading what people have posted here? In
>Amsterdam, I can eat in restaurants from as many as 100 different nationalities, the
>vast majority of which are not former NL colonies. Some of these restaurants are
>excellent, some are good, some are not so good, some are bad. Just as in New York or
>San Francisco.
I readily admit that Amsterdam is pretty decent as far as European cities go.
Foodwise, it's an order of magnitude better than a city of similar size in France
or Italy. But to compare it with San Francisco is *really* pushing it (a
comparison with NY would be unfair, since it's 10 times bigger than Amsterdam).
San Francisco is not the best city in America for food (that honor should go to
LA), but both at the top end (expensive French- Mediterranean-Californicated
cuisine, Michelin-stars quality) and low end (Asian and American street food), San
Francisco blows Amsterdam away. It's just a matter of demographics. I think smth
like 1/3 of population is Asian, so you get all sorts of weird regional Asian
foods, half of which I don't even know the names of (the signs aren't in English
anyway, and vendors don't speak English all that well). Same for Latin American
(there might be more Salvadoran eateries in SF than Salvadorans in Amsterdam), even
eastern European food, including weirdest stuff, like a Russian restaurant with
bottles of soy sauce on the tables because the owners - a white Russian family -
came to America by way of Shanghai in the late 30s. Tapas bars, breweries,
old-fashioned Italian pasta joints, country French, Kurdish kabob grills - for any
type of restaurant that exists in Amsterdam, there are probably five in San
Francisco, and then another five that you've never heard of.
Aug 25th 2002, 12:02 am
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In article <[email protected]>, Hatunen <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Widely available means that people who live in big metro areas in America have
>> choices in food that the average European cannot imagine.
>Nor, to be fair, might the average non-Metro American imagine. Do not judge all
>of America based on observations made in the San Francisco Bay Area or in New
>York city.
I am all for comparing apples with apples: Paris with New York, Amsterdam with San
Francisco. But if someone complains about fast food in Iowa, let's not compare
Iowa with London. Compare Iowa with Bum****-sous-Bois in rural France. Is sushi
available in the grocery store *there*? Apparently, it *is* available in Iowa.
>I should point out that I have eaten Italian, Mexican and Chinese in Helsinki. As
>well as Finn and Lapp, of course.
I believe you. But tell me, given a choice, would you rather eat Italian, Mexican
and Chinese in San Francisco, or in Helsinki?
>> Widely available means that people who live in big metro areas in America have
>> choices in food that the average European cannot imagine.
>Nor, to be fair, might the average non-Metro American imagine. Do not judge all
>of America based on observations made in the San Francisco Bay Area or in New
>York city.
I am all for comparing apples with apples: Paris with New York, Amsterdam with San
Francisco. But if someone complains about fast food in Iowa, let's not compare
Iowa with London. Compare Iowa with Bum****-sous-Bois in rural France. Is sushi
available in the grocery store *there*? Apparently, it *is* available in Iowa.
>I should point out that I have eaten Italian, Mexican and Chinese in Helsinki. As
>well as Finn and Lapp, of course.
I believe you. But tell me, given a choice, would you rather eat Italian, Mexican
and Chinese in San Francisco, or in Helsinki?
Aug 25th 2002, 1:50 am
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On Sat, 24 Aug 2002, Hatunen wrote:
> On Sat, 24 Aug 2002 16:09:15 -0400, JBM <[email protected]> wrote:
> >On Sat, 24 Aug 2002, Hatunen wrote:
> >
> >> On Sat, 24 Aug 2002 08:57:03 +0100, "JohnT" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>
> >> >"Hatunen" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> >>
> >> >> But the Lady of Spain shouldn't claim to be Hispanic when applying for a job
> >> >> in the USA.
> >> >>
> >> >Is it a bit like "1984" (the George Orwell novel) nowadays in the USA? And,
> >> >just out of interest, does one have to specify ehnic origin when applying for a
> >> >job in USA?
> >>
> >> Really only if there is some sort of affirmative action program (*) place and
> >> the applicant wants to take advantage of it.
> >
> >Usually just for monitoring purposes, in my experience, and the form isn't seen by
> >those awarding the job.
> >
> >Same for UK universities, btw. And there ain't no affirmative action
> >(t)here.
> Which part of "when applying for a job in the USA" are you referring to here?
Um, in the first paragraphy I added, all of it. And then making a comparison with
the UK. Is this a trick question?
> The current state of affirmative action programs in the USA is one of flux, and
> it's not yet clear whetehr they will remain, be eliminated, or be modified.
Well, they've been in flux for some time.
But, again, such forms aren't necesarily linked to affirmative action programmes.
Though they can serve to monitor the extent of such programmes' success.
> >> (*) A sort of ethnic preference program supposedly to atone for past
> >> discrimination by bringing the playing field bac to level.
> >
> >This is one justification for affirmative action, but not necessarily the
> >best one.
> >
> It was the philosophy expressed at the time affirmative action laws and rules were
> first adopted in the USA. I don't know that congresscritters and bureaucrats deal
> in "best" philosphies.
One philosophy, but not necessarily the only one.
> ************ DAVE HATUNEN ([email protected]) ***********
Take care
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http://www.art.man.ac.uk/lacs/
> On Sat, 24 Aug 2002 16:09:15 -0400, JBM <[email protected]> wrote:
> >On Sat, 24 Aug 2002, Hatunen wrote:
> >
> >> On Sat, 24 Aug 2002 08:57:03 +0100, "JohnT" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>
> >> >"Hatunen" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> >>
> >> >> But the Lady of Spain shouldn't claim to be Hispanic when applying for a job
> >> >> in the USA.
> >> >>
> >> >Is it a bit like "1984" (the George Orwell novel) nowadays in the USA? And,
> >> >just out of interest, does one have to specify ehnic origin when applying for a
> >> >job in USA?
> >>
> >> Really only if there is some sort of affirmative action program (*) place and
> >> the applicant wants to take advantage of it.
> >
> >Usually just for monitoring purposes, in my experience, and the form isn't seen by
> >those awarding the job.
> >
> >Same for UK universities, btw. And there ain't no affirmative action
> >(t)here.
> Which part of "when applying for a job in the USA" are you referring to here?
Um, in the first paragraphy I added, all of it. And then making a comparison with
the UK. Is this a trick question?
> The current state of affirmative action programs in the USA is one of flux, and
> it's not yet clear whetehr they will remain, be eliminated, or be modified.
Well, they've been in flux for some time.
But, again, such forms aren't necesarily linked to affirmative action programmes.
Though they can serve to monitor the extent of such programmes' success.
> >> (*) A sort of ethnic preference program supposedly to atone for past
> >> discrimination by bringing the playing field bac to level.
> >
> >This is one justification for affirmative action, but not necessarily the
> >best one.
> >
> It was the philosophy expressed at the time affirmative action laws and rules were
> first adopted in the USA. I don't know that congresscritters and bureaucrats deal
> in "best" philosphies.
One philosophy, but not necessarily the only one.
> ************ DAVE HATUNEN ([email protected]) ***********
Take care
Jon
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Jon Beasley-Murray Literature Program, Duke University
Spanish and Portuguese Studies, University of Manchester [email protected]
http://www.art.man.ac.uk/lacs/
Aug 25th 2002, 3:30 am
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"Vitaly Shmatikov" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> Neither comes close to America in terms of variety. I haven't been to Malaysia,
> but I suspect if you feel like having pot au feu for dinner, or a Persian kabob,
> or a chile relleno in Malaysia, you'll be up the creek without a paddle.
I agree that chile rellenos on the menu is the hallmark of authenticy (and that good
"Mexican" restaurants are hard to find outside the US), but this one comes close: [u-
rl="http://web.singnet.com.sg/~mgarita/menu.htm#mex_spec"]http://web.singnet.com.sg/-
~mgarita/menu.htm#mex_spec[/url]
There are Persian restaurants in Malaysia, which markets heavily to the Muslim
tourism markets.
People who have visited Melbourne and Sydney will often remark that we have the best
international cuisine. My take on that is that you don't have to drive as far in
these cities to find a good rendition of a certain cuisine.
> Neither comes close to America in terms of variety. I haven't been to Malaysia,
> but I suspect if you feel like having pot au feu for dinner, or a Persian kabob,
> or a chile relleno in Malaysia, you'll be up the creek without a paddle.
I agree that chile rellenos on the menu is the hallmark of authenticy (and that good
"Mexican" restaurants are hard to find outside the US), but this one comes close: [u-
rl="http://web.singnet.com.sg/~mgarita/menu.htm#mex_spec"]http://web.singnet.com.sg/-
~mgarita/menu.htm#mex_spec[/url]
There are Persian restaurants in Malaysia, which markets heavily to the Muslim
tourism markets.
People who have visited Melbourne and Sydney will often remark that we have the best
international cuisine. My take on that is that you don't have to drive as far in
these cities to find a good rendition of a certain cuisine.
Aug 25th 2002, 3:34 am
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On Sun, 25 Aug 2002 03:30:20 GMT, "Ash Nallawalla" <[email protected]> wrote:
>"Vitaly Shmatikov" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
>> Neither comes close to America in terms of variety. I haven't been to Malaysia,
>> but I suspect if you feel like having pot au feu for dinner, or a Persian kabob,
>> or a chile relleno in Malaysia, you'll be up the creek without a paddle.
>I agree that chile rellenos on the menu is the hallmark of authenticy (and that good
>"Mexican" restaurants are hard to find outside the US), but this one comes close:
>http://web.singnet.com.-
>sg/~mgarita/menu.htm#mex_spec
Menus have very little to do with authenticity.
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>"Vitaly Shmatikov" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
>> Neither comes close to America in terms of variety. I haven't been to Malaysia,
>> but I suspect if you feel like having pot au feu for dinner, or a Persian kabob,
>> or a chile relleno in Malaysia, you'll be up the creek without a paddle.
>I agree that chile rellenos on the menu is the hallmark of authenticy (and that good
>"Mexican" restaurants are hard to find outside the US), but this one comes close:
>http://web.singnet.com.-
>sg/~mgarita/menu.htm#mex_spec
Menus have very little to do with authenticity.
************ DAVE HATUNEN ([email protected]) ***********
* Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow * ******* My typos are
intentional copyright traps ******
Aug 25th 2002, 3:35 am
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"ntmarzolino" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> Aren't people from Spain and Portugal called Iberians? Hispanic, to me at least,
> means someone or the culture of Spanish speaking people in the Americas.
Merriam-Webster:
Main Entry: His.pan.ic Pronunciation: hi-'spa-nik Function: adjective Etymology:
Latin hispanicus, from Hispania Iberian Peninsula, Spain Date: circa 1889
: of, relating to, or being a person of Latin American descent living in the
U.S.; especially : one of Cuban, Mexican, or Puerto Rican origin
- Hispanic noun
- His.pan.i.cism /-'spa-n&-"si-z&m/ noun
- His.pan.i.cist /-sist/ noun
- His.pan.i.cize /-"sIz/ transitive verb
> Aren't people from Spain and Portugal called Iberians? Hispanic, to me at least,
> means someone or the culture of Spanish speaking people in the Americas.
Merriam-Webster:
Main Entry: His.pan.ic Pronunciation: hi-'spa-nik Function: adjective Etymology:
Latin hispanicus, from Hispania Iberian Peninsula, Spain Date: circa 1889
: of, relating to, or being a person of Latin American descent living in the
U.S.; especially : one of Cuban, Mexican, or Puerto Rican origin
- Hispanic noun
- His.pan.i.cism /-'spa-n&-"si-z&m/ noun
- His.pan.i.cist /-sist/ noun
- His.pan.i.cize /-"sIz/ transitive verb
Aug 25th 2002, 4:21 am
#1424
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Re: ATM's.......
On Sun, 25 Aug 2002 03:35:22 GMT, "Ash Nallawalla" <[email protected]> wrote:
>"ntmarzolino" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
>> Aren't people from Spain and Portugal called Iberians? Hispanic, to me at least,
>> means someone or the culture of Spanish speaking people in the Americas.
>Merriam-Webster:
>Main Entry: His.pan.ic Pronunciation: hi-'spa-nik Function: adjective Etymology:
>Latin hispanicus, from Hispania Iberian Peninsula, Spain Date: circa 1889
>: of, relating to, or being a person of Latin American descent living in the
>U.S.; especially : one of Cuban, Mexican, or Puerto Rican origin
>- Hispanic noun
>- His.pan.i.cism /-'spa-n&-"si-z&m/ noun
>- His.pan.i.cist /-sist/ noun
>- His.pan.i.cize /-"sIz/ transitive verb
It's really a word pretty much adapted in the USA because they felt they needed such
a word, even though it confused the concepts of race and ethnicity, e.g., many Puerto
Ricans are descended from slaves of African origin, leading to the question of
whether they are African-American or Hispanic, as well as confusing the concept of
hispanophone with Latin American. By the 2000 census it was at least decided that one
could mark both on the census form.
************ DAVE HATUNEN ([email protected]) ***********
* Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow * ******* My typos are
intentional copyright traps ******
>"ntmarzolino" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
>> Aren't people from Spain and Portugal called Iberians? Hispanic, to me at least,
>> means someone or the culture of Spanish speaking people in the Americas.
>Merriam-Webster:
>Main Entry: His.pan.ic Pronunciation: hi-'spa-nik Function: adjective Etymology:
>Latin hispanicus, from Hispania Iberian Peninsula, Spain Date: circa 1889
>: of, relating to, or being a person of Latin American descent living in the
>U.S.; especially : one of Cuban, Mexican, or Puerto Rican origin
>- Hispanic noun
>- His.pan.i.cism /-'spa-n&-"si-z&m/ noun
>- His.pan.i.cist /-sist/ noun
>- His.pan.i.cize /-"sIz/ transitive verb
It's really a word pretty much adapted in the USA because they felt they needed such
a word, even though it confused the concepts of race and ethnicity, e.g., many Puerto
Ricans are descended from slaves of African origin, leading to the question of
whether they are African-American or Hispanic, as well as confusing the concept of
hispanophone with Latin American. By the 2000 census it was at least decided that one
could mark both on the census form.
************ DAVE HATUNEN ([email protected]) ***********
* Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow * ******* My typos are
intentional copyright traps ******
Aug 25th 2002, 6:08 am
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Re: ATM's.......
Ash Nallawalla <[email protected]> wrote:
> People who have visited Melbourne and Sydney will often remark that we have the
> best international cuisine. My take on that is that you don't have to drive as far
> in these cities to find a good rendition of a certain cuisine.
I lived in Sydney for a couple of years. Moved there from San Francisco, and
consequently, I arrived under the thumb of a strong addiction to Tex-Mex.
I tried every restaurant that claimed to be even vaguely Mexican. My impression at
almost every one was that they'd studied a lot of pictures of Mexican food but never
actually tasted any.
miguel
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http://travel.u.nu New mini photo-feature: Life in
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> People who have visited Melbourne and Sydney will often remark that we have the
> best international cuisine. My take on that is that you don't have to drive as far
> in these cities to find a good rendition of a certain cuisine.
I lived in Sydney for a couple of years. Moved there from San Francisco, and
consequently, I arrived under the thumb of a strong addiction to Tex-Mex.
I tried every restaurant that claimed to be even vaguely Mexican. My impression at
almost every one was that they'd studied a lot of pictures of Mexican food but never
actually tasted any.
miguel
--
Hit The Road! Photos and tales from around the world:
http://travel.u.nu New mini photo-feature: Life in
DC: http://travel.u.nu/dc/