"JohnT" <[email protected]> kirjoitti viestissä
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    > "Mxsmanic" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > > Nick Fisher writes:
    > >
    > >> For what it's worth, my wife and I just donated an hour's wages each
    > >> to the
    > >> appeal at https://www.donate.bt.com/bt_form_dec.htm
    > >
    > > Be sure to do the same for every other disaster that kills a similar
    > > number of people. Just because it's covered on CNN doesn't make it
    > > more
    > > important than the disasters that get no media exposure.
    > I can't receive CNN, but BBC News has been covering this extensively. The
    > predicted death toll is now 180,000 plus. There has been no natural
    > disaster in living memory which has caused such a death toll. And rather
    > than nit-picking and going through records to prove me wrong, just make a
    > contribution towards disaster relief.
In 1980's in Sudan, Eritrea and Ethiopia alone millions of people starved to
death due to persistent drought in the region. This way of dying is
naturally much more painful and horrendous than drowning which kills fast.

"Jeremy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > On 2004-12-31 14:10:04 +0100, "Miss L. Toe"
    > <[email protected]> said:
    > >
    > > "Jeremy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > > news:[email protected]...
    > >> On 2004-12-31 12:36:14 +0100, Mxsmanic <[email protected]> said:
    > >>
    > >>> Derek McBryde writes:
    > >>>
    > >>>> If you are reading this and haven't donated, maybe you could
    > >>>> consider donating even a small amount before you switch off your
    > >>>> computer?
    > >>>
    > >>> What other earthquakes did you donate for?
    > >>
    > >> How many earthquakes this size have occurred in your lifetime?
    > >>
    > >
    > > Size doesn't matter.
    > >
    > > Does one person hurt any less just becuase there are more hurt people
around
    > > ?
    > No, but one hurt person requires less aid than ten hurt people.

Are you saying that the disaster relief funds are short of money ?
If so how much are they short by ?

On 2004-12-31 14:10:04 +0100, "Miss L. Toe"
<[email protected]> said:

    >
    > "Jeremy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    >> On 2004-12-31 12:36:14 +0100, Mxsmanic <[email protected]> said:
    >>
    >>> Derek McBryde writes:
    >>>
    >>>> If you are reading this and haven't donated, maybe you could
    >>>> consider donating even a small amount before you switch off your
    >>>> computer?
    >>>
    >>> What other earthquakes did you donate for?
    >>
    >> How many earthquakes this size have occurred in your lifetime?
    >>
    >
    > Size doesn't matter.
    >
    > Does one person hurt any less just becuase there are more hurt people around
    > ?

No, but one hurt person requires less aid than ten hurt people.

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"Markku Grönroos" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > "JohnT" <[email protected]> kirjoitti viestissä
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    >> "Mxsmanic" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >> news:[email protected]...
    >> > Nick Fisher writes:
    >> >
    >> >> For what it's worth, my wife and I just donated an hour's wages
    >> >> each
    >> >> to the
    >> >> appeal at https://www.donate.bt.com/bt_form_dec.htm
    >> >
    >> > Be sure to do the same for every other disaster that kills a similar
    >> > number of people. Just because it's covered on CNN doesn't make it
    >> > more
    >> > important than the disasters that get no media exposure.
    >> I can't receive CNN, but BBC News has been covering this extensively.
    >> The
    >> predicted death toll is now 180,000 plus. There has been no natural
    >> disaster in living memory which has caused such a death toll. And
    >> rather
    >> than nit-picking and going through records to prove me wrong, just
    >> make a
    >> contribution towards disaster relief.
    > In 1980's in Sudan, Eritrea and Ethiopia alone millions of people
    > starved to
    > death due to persistent drought in the region. This way of dying is
    > naturally much more painful and horrendous than drowning which kills
    > fast.
I am aware of that and I did what little I could to help. The problem is
still there. But it wasn't a single natural disaster. And in Asia there
are millions who are homeless and have nothing because of what happened
on 26th December.

JohnT

Following up to Miss L. Toe

    >> > What other earthquakes did you donate for?
    >> How many earthquakes this size have occurred in your lifetime?

    >Size doesn't matter.

    >Does one person hurt any less just becuase there are more hurt people around
    >?

This isn't the point. Its the wrong question. The correct
question is "can the local services cope with the problem?".
There are situations where disproportionate responses *are* made.
That happened with the Penlee lifeboat disaster, its largely no
worse for n lifeboatman to die in one accident or over a number
of single fatality accidents. The current situation isn't like
that though.

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Following up to Mxsmanic

    >Be sure to do the same for every other disaster that kills a similar
    >number of people. Just because it's covered on CNN doesn't make it more
    >important than the disasters that get no media exposure.

please list similar natural disasters that didn't get extensive
media coverage. No, on second thoughts stop arseing about with a
serious subject.
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Following up to Miss L. Toe

    >> No, but one hurt person requires less aid than ten hurt people.

    >Are you saying that the disaster relief funds are short of money ?
    >If so how much are they short by ?

How the hell can anybody answer that? They don't even know how
many are dead. If the Red Cross finds itself with two much money
for the work on hand, i'll be very surprised.
But i can tell you one thing, without donations they *will* run
out of money.
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Following up to Markku Grönroos

    >> I can't receive CNN, but BBC News has been covering this extensively. The
    >> predicted death toll is now 180,000 plus. There has been no natural
    >> disaster in living memory which has caused such a death toll. And rather
    >> than nit-picking and going through records to prove me wrong, just make a
    >> contribution towards disaster relief.
    >In 1980's in Sudan, Eritrea and Ethiopia alone millions of people starved to
    >death due to persistent drought in the region. This way of dying is
    >naturally much more painful and horrendous than drowning which kills fast.

These things *were* covered by the media. People however may be
less willing to give to Africa because many of the problems are
seen as self inflicted by local wars or incompetant/corrupt
government and administration or by climate (as you said
"persistent drought"), none of which will changed by sending food
parcels but rather only by fundamental changes in the way African
countries operate.
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On Fri, 31 Dec 2004 10:21:31 -0000, "Miss L. Toe"
<[email protected]> wrote:

    >It was interesting to hear on one BBC news broadcast yesterday that someone
    >was saying the problem wasn't lack of money, it was knowing what was needed
    >where and physically getting it there.

Fast. They need fresh food and water now.

Next, they need to get out the people with injuries. Infection and
disease are a major problems in the tropics.

After that, they have a little more breathing space. Roads can then be
rebuilt, and other infrastructure restored. It's at about that point
that corrupt governments will step in and pillage the funds.
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On Fri, 31 Dec 2004 11:49:02 -0000, "Miss L. Toe"
<[email protected]> wrote:

    >"Miguel Cruz" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    >> Mxsmanic <[email protected]> wrote:
    >> > Nick Fisher writes:
    >> >> For what it's worth, my wife and I just donated an hour's wages each to
    >the
    >> >> appeal at https://www.donate.bt.com/bt_form_dec.htm
    >> >
    >> > Be sure to do the same for every other disaster that kills a similar
    >> > number of people. Just because it's covered on CNN doesn't make it more
    >> > important than the disasters that get no media exposure.
    >> Disasters that take 130,000 lives in the space of a few days are rarer
    >than
    >> you seem to think.
    >Hopefully it will get sufficient media attention in the USA to finally put
    >11/9 into its proper perspective.

Yeah, right, and they will cease reminding Europe that they bailed
their asses out of two whirled wurz...
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"The Reids" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > Following up to Miss L. Toe
    > >> No, but one hurt person requires less aid than ten hurt people.
    > >Are you saying that the disaster relief funds are short of money ?
    > >If so how much are they short by ?
    > How the hell can anybody answer that? They don't even know how
    > many are dead. If the Red Cross finds itself with two much money
    > for the work on hand, i'll be very surprised.
    > But i can tell you one thing, without donations they *will* run
    > out of money.

How can you say that ?
Do you know how much cash the Red Cross (and other charities) has in its
coffers ?

Jeremy writes:

    > How many earthquakes this size have occurred in your lifetime?

What do you mean by size? The surface area of the region affected? The
number of people killed or injured? The magnitude at the epicenter?
The number and size of tsunami generated?

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Miss L. Toe writes:

    > Does one person hurt any less just becuase there are more hurt people around
    > ?

No, but 100 dead is a hundred times more than one dead.

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Miss L. Toe writes:

    > Are you saying that the disaster relief funds are short of money ?
    > If so how much are they short by ?

They are mainly crippled by logistics, not funding.

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Miguel Cruz writes:

    > Disasters that take 130,000 lives in the space of a few days are rarer than
    > you seem to think.

I can think of two that took twice that number in the space of a few
days half a century ago.

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