On 8 Feb 2003 12:46:31 -0800, Jerry Johnson wrote:

    > And I don't believe that the current circumstances is something akin to a
    >'Pax Americanus'.

Pax is a feminine word, so it must be said "Pax Americana".

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Jerry Johnson wrote:
    > And I don't believe that the current circumstances is something
    > akin to a 'Pax Americanus'. Rather, it's time to remove the
    > trash which should have been taken out years ago. And after
    > Saddam it's time to send North Korea Kim into early and
    > mandatory retirement.

Sure. But if all the things the Bush administration has
presented as legitimate reasons for going to war really *are*
such legitimate reasons, you've got a whole bunch of countries
you're going to have to invade even after Iraq and North Korea
have both been dealt with -- and these countries include the
likes of China and Russia. See here:

http://slate.msn.com/id/2070072/

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Runge wrote:
    >
    > From our point of view on this side...well....we hope you will remain like
    > that but DO be careful who you vote for next time!

That's still a sore point with a lot of Americans - a good 50% of us DID
NOT vote for him (and continue to believe there was "hanky-panky"
involved in the final outcome)!

    >
    > "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" a écrit dans le
    > message de news: [email protected]...
    > >
    > >
    > > Deep Floyd Mars wrote:
    > > >
    > > > EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) wrote in message
    > > > news:[email protected]...
    > >
    > > > > target? Terrorists thrive on disrupting "normal", civilized life -
    > the
    > > > > only way to combat that is to refuse to be intimidated.
    > > > >
    > > >
    > > > Not the only way.
    > > >
    > > > As the British found out the hard way, terrorism can be controlled by
    > > > removing the reasons for people to sympathise with the offenders, and to
    > > > keep people talking at all costs. That, lots of time and patience to
    > allow
    > > > wounds to heal.
    > >
    > > Well, yes, of course, but the post to which I was replying was not
    > > suggesting reasonable solutions.
    > >
    > > >
    > > > I can see precisely nothing in the forthcoming war that will reduce the
    > > > possiblility of future attacks on the west. But I am in a democratic
    > > > country, so apparently my opinion doesn't mean anything anymore.
    > >
    > > I think quite a few of us feel that way . (And some of us on this
    > > side of the pond are beginning to wonder whether we ARE still in a
    > > "democratic" country.)

Nancy Kay wrote:
    >
    > In article ,
    > "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" wrote:
    >
    > > Define "us" - there are quite a few Americans who do not support a war
    > > against Iraq, and believe it is Iraqi oil, not Iraqi "evil" that prompts
    > > our president's position. (And who agree that he opportunistically and
    > > cynically manipulated public opinion in the aftermath of 11 September,
    > > to accomplish his personal agenda.)
    > >
    >
    > And what is his personal agenda?

War with Iraq, whether the American people and the rest of the world
agree with him or not. (Isn't that obvious, even to the morons who
support him?)
    > --
    > Nancy Kay
    > remove go and gone.to.
    > "Patience is a virtue"

Nancy Kay wrote:
    >
    > In article ,
    > "Lennart Petersen" wrote:
    >
    > > > From our point of view on this side...well....we hope you will remain like
    > > > that but DO be careful who you vote for next time!
    > > I think Evelyn have assured us she voted the same as close to 50% of the
    > > Americans ,
    > > right ?
    >
    > No doubt about her membership in the Democratic party.Probably votes a
    > straight ticket at election time.

Actually, I'm not affiliated with ANY political party - I have the naive
idea that one should vote according to one's beliefs, not blindly follow
someone else's "recommendations". (I'd be more inclined to choose a
"Green" party candidate - at least they are committed on environmental
issues.)
    > --
    > Nancy Kay
    > remove go and gone.to.
    > "Patience is a virtue"

"EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" wrote in message news:...
    > Runge wrote:
    > >
    > > From our point of view on this side...well....we hope you will remain like
    > > that but DO be careful who you vote for next time!
    >
    > That's still a sore point with a lot of Americans - a good 50% of us DID
    > NOT vote for him (and continue to believe there was "hanky-panky"
    > involved in the final outcome)!

Less than 20% of Americans voted for Al Gore.

"amp_spamfree" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" wrote in message
news:...
    > > Runge wrote:
    > > >
    > > > From our point of view on this side...well....we hope you will remain
like
    > > > that but DO be careful who you vote for next time!
    > >
    > > That's still a sore point with a lot of Americans - a good 50% of us DID
    > > NOT vote for him (and continue to believe there was "hanky-panky"
    > > involved in the final outcome)!
    > Less than 20% of Americans voted for Al Gore.

So what's your point? Fewer than 20% of Americans voted for GeorgeW,
either, since Al Gore had MORE total votes in number than he did. Recall
that W won the electoral vote, he lost the popular vote.

On Tue, 11 Feb 2003 16:12:11 GMT, "JimS."
wrote:


    >So what's your point? Fewer than 20% of Americans voted for GeorgeW,
    >either, since Al Gore had MORE total votes in number than he did. Recall
    >that W won the electoral vote, he lost the popular vote.
It is immaterial who got the most popular vote, under the system, one
that has been in place for 200 years, you need to win the electoral
votes, gore didn't and lost. end of story

In article ,
"JimS." wrote:

    > "amp_spamfree" wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > > "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" wrote in message
    > news:...
    > > > Runge wrote:
    > > > >
    > > > > From our point of view on this side...well....we hope you will remain
    > like
    > > > > that but DO be careful who you vote for next time!
    > > >
    > > > That's still a sore point with a lot of Americans - a good 50% of us DID
    > > > NOT vote for him (and continue to believe there was "hanky-panky"
    > > > involved in the final outcome)!
    > >
    > > Less than 20% of Americans voted for Al Gore.
    >
    > So what's your point? Fewer than 20% of Americans voted for GeorgeW,
    > either, since Al Gore had MORE total votes in number than he did. Recall
    > that W won the electoral vote, he lost the popular vote.

Recall that neither candidate was *trying* to win the popular vote--a
completely meaningless statistic.

Stratos

JohnDoe wrote:
    >
    > On Tue, 11 Feb 2003 16:12:11 GMT, "JimS."
    > wrote:
    >
    > >So what's your point? Fewer than 20% of Americans voted for GeorgeW,
    > >either, since Al Gore had MORE total votes in number than he did. Recall
    > >that W won the electoral vote, he lost the popular vote.
    > >
    > It is immaterial who got the most popular vote, under the system, one
    > that has been in place for 200 years, you need to win the electoral
    > votes, gore didn't and lost. end of story

Oh well, one mo' time:
Hail to the Thief!

Stratos Fear wrote:
    > Recall that neither candidate was *trying* to win the popular vote--a
    > completely meaningless statistic.

I think it's fair to say that if the outcome had been in the reverse,
supporters of Bush would be pretty slow to put away the popular vote
numbers. It's only natural. People from each side are very quick to forget
(and to emulate!) the way the other side behaved the last time around.

miguel
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EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) wrote:
    >
    > Actually, I'm not affiliated with ANY political party - I have the naive
    > idea that one should vote according to one's beliefs, not blindly follow
    > someone else's "recommendations". (I'd be more inclined to choose a
    > "Green" party candidate - at least they are committed on environmental
    > issues.)
    >
Unfortunately, I'm afraid that support of Ralph Nader in the last
election (Green Party candidate) is what prevented the Democratic
candidate from obtaining a clear majority, and thus defeating the (very
frightening) Republican candidate.

In article , [email protected] wrote:

    > EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) wrote:
    > >
    > > Actually, I'm not affiliated with ANY political party - I have the naive
    > > idea that one should vote according to one's beliefs, not blindly follow
    > > someone else's "recommendations". (I'd be more inclined to choose a
    > > "Green" party candidate - at least they are committed on environmental
    > > issues.)
    > >
    > Unfortunately, I'm afraid that support of Ralph Nader in the last
    > election (Green Party candidate) is what prevented the Democratic
    > candidate from obtaining a clear majority, and thus defeating the (very
    > frightening) Republican candidate.

So what?

Divamanque...vote your conscience. Do the right thing! Vote Green!!!

Stratos

On Tue, 11 Feb 2003 12:25:52 -0500, David Gascon
    >Oh well, one mo' time:
    >Hail to the Thief!

try "if I only had a brain"

Go Fig wrote:


    > >
    >
    > I think the PM of Italy said last week what many people think; 'when I
    > see the U.S. flag I not only on see a proud nations flag, but a symbol
    > to all of the world of freedom'. He went on to say that it was the U.S.
    > that gave his country it's freedom back.
    >
    > jay
    > Sun, Feb 9, 2003
    > mailto:[email protected]

That's a joke surely? The overthrow of Mussolini is not something
Berlusconi would have been celebrating if he'd been there. He's like
Benito's political grandson. Interesting to see Bush's allies in
Europe---the hard right, corrupt, anti-working-class regimes of Blair
and Berlusconi.