Magda wrote:

    >Le verbe "aimer" est le plus compliqué de la langue. Son passé n'est jamais simple, son présent n'est qu'imparfait et son futur toujours conditionnel.

J'aime ça!

PB

Well yeah you certainly don't deserve to go to France!
It's not your colony and as you like history never forget they helped the US
get free from british rule
I've seen 2 places in the world where people hang flags all over the place :
Ex-communist countries and the US.
That makes me feel uneasy.
I wonder what happens to the guy who doesn't hang his flag all over the
place...I rather enjoy Xmas trees better than flags.



"Mike O'Sullivan" a écrit dans le message de
news: [email protected]...
    > "Jerry Johnson" wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > > > I am interested in the groups' take on this----we recently returned
from
    > > > France, and although treated well, could clearly sense the growing
    > > > anti-American position on Iraq, and didn't enjoy having to hear it,
    > > > defend our country, avoid the discussion or agree with them.
    > > > Anyways.....
    > >
    > > Which is why we altered our family spring vacation plans from France
to
    > > the UK. And although we have had many more trips to the UK than to
    > France,
    > > our vacation dollars will not be going to France anytime soon. I
believe
    > that
    > > the current attitude of the French is the recognition that, aside from
an
    > > underserving seat on the UN Security Council, the country no longer
    > influences
    > > world affairs. Like the kid who says that you have to play by my rules,
    > or I
    > > will take my baseball and go home. France wishes to direct a game in
    > which
    > > it will not play.
    > France has never forgiven America or liberating their country. As has been
    > said, no good deed remains un-punished.

"Runge" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > Well yeah you certainly don't deserve to go to France!
    > It's not your colony and as you like history never forget they helped the
US
    > get free from british rule
    > I've seen 2 places in the world where people hang flags all over the place
    :
    > Ex-communist countries and the US.
    > That makes me feel uneasy.
Better not go to Canada, then, eh? You practically find maple leaves
imprinted in the butter...
What's the big deal? All it usually means is that people love their flag.
Don't read so much into it, it certainly isn't unique to the US or
ex-communist countries.

Fred wrote:
    >
    > Am interested in the groups' take on this----we recently returned from
    > France, and although treated well, could clearly sense the growing
    > anti-American position on Iraq, and didn't enjoy having to hear it,
    > defend our country, avoid the discussion or agree with them.
    > Anyways.....

I suppose it depends upon the people you meet, but I think most
Europeans are perfectly aware that individual Americans are NOT our
government - that many of us are as appalled as they at the course
events are taking. It's better to avoid political discussions, of
course (I find that true at home, as well, when among strangers). FWIW,
I have no intention of "defending" our government (SFAIK "our country"
itself is not under attack) unless I agree with its position, and in
many areas I am much more inclined to agree with the European point of
view than our president's.

    >
    > I believe a spring trip to Europe would be perfectly safe (and right
    > now incredibly inexpensive), even with war looming or active, whereas
    > my partner feels the world is presently very unstable and will become
    > moreso over the next several months. Personally, I believe a trip to
    > say, Holland and Scandanavia, would probably be safer than one to New
    > York City or Chicago. My partner thinks I'm cavalier; I feel she is
    > overly cautious. Where do YOU stand???

"Safety" is relative - you've no guarantee you won't stay "safely" at
home, only to have the roof cave in! Mere living is risk-taking, and
I'm not about to let fear of what "might" happen keep me from traveling
wherever I wish to go.

Stratos Fear wrote:
    >
    >
    > I wouldn't give a dime to any country who didn't support us against Iraq.

Define "us" - there are quite a few Americans who do not support a war
against Iraq, and believe it is Iraqi oil, not Iraqi "evil" that prompts
our president's position. (And who agree that he opportunistically and
cynically manipulated public opinion in the aftermath of 11 September,
to accomplish his personal agenda.)


    >
    > Stratos

hobart xaxinojo wrote:
    >
    > i disagree. tourist locales are prime targets for terrorists. if you go to
    > europe on vacation you usually end up in the bigger cities like paris.
    > there is a danger. there have been bombings in the past. there have been
    > shootings in the past. in the US you can go many places and, in my opinion,
    > have less to worry about. the danger, i believe, is not an angry mob in
    > oslo. it is a terrorist attack against a place where foreigners,
    > particularly americans, congregate.

Which would hold equally true for "tourist attractions" we might visit
in our own country. So maybe we should all vacation in our own back
yards (gardens) and hope our home town has not been selected as a random
target? Terrorists thrive on disrupting "normal", civilized life - the
only way to combat that is to refuse to be intimidated.


    >
    > "Miguel Cruz" wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > > Fred wrote:
    > > > I believe a spring trip to Europe would be perfectly safe (and right now
    > > > incredibly inexpensive), even with war looming or active, whereas my
    > > > partner feels the world is presently very unstable and will become
    > moreso
    > > > over the next several months. Personally, I believe a trip to say,
    > > > Holland and Scandanavia, would probably be safer than one to New York
    > City
    > > > or Chicago. My partner thinks I'm cavalier; I feel she is overly
    > > > cautious. Where do YOU stand???
    > >
    > > I think your partner is being silly. What does she think will happen? An
    > > angry mob in Oslo is learns there's an American in town, chases you around
    > > the fjords with torches and pitchforks, and then locks you in stocks in
    > the
    > > village square?
    > >
    > > Never before have political disagreements of this sort resulted in any
    > > danger for American tourists in Europe; no reason to assume that'll change
    > > now. Just because we're in the middle of today, and from close-up
    > everything
    > > seems bigger and more significant than hazy memories of the past, doesn't
    > > mean there haven't been weighty times before.
    > >
    > > I would agree with you that even as an American you are far safer in
    > > northern Europe than remaining in the USA.
    > >
    > > miguel
    > > --
    > > Hit The Road! Photos and tales from around the world: http://travel.u.nu

On Fri, 07 Feb 2003 23:48:12 +0000, in rec.travel.europe, Padraig Breathnach
arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :

... Magda wrote:
...
... >Le verbe "aimer" est le plus compliqué de la langue. Son passé n'est jamais simple, son présent n'est qu'imparfait et son futur toujours conditionnel.
...
... J'aime ça!

Je t'en fais cadeau ! ;-)

=====
Le verbe "aimer" est le plus compliqué de la langue. Son passé n'est jamais simple, son présent n'est qu'imparfait et son futur toujours conditionnel.

Jens Arne Maennig wrote in message news:...
    > Mika wrote:
    >
    > > I live about 100m from the Hofbräu. Wonder how easy it will be to walk
    > > around downtown this weekend.
    >
    > This afternoon, it was still very quiet. I had to leave a couple of
    > hundred euros at Hirmer before the end of winter sale :-) The funny
    > thing were just the many VW Microbuses in white and green with
    > *Cologne* number plates in the pedestrian zone. Are these guys still
    > on duty from the 1FCK/FCB soccer match?

Saw 'Wannen' from all over the country. Lots from Bielefeld, of all places.

    > You wouldn't have a chance anyway. BTW: Have you seen the Bayerischer
    > Hof ballroom that has been restored lately? It's great. So sorry it
    > will be gone in a couple of hours .

Looks like it is still there, heh. Rummy appears to be safe.

M, Munich, Old Europe

On Fri, 07 Feb 2003 22:05:38 -0800, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)"
wrote:

    > It's better to avoid political discussions, of
    >course (I find that true at home, as well, when among strangers)

How nice to know that none of us are strangers here.

Gordon

On Sat, 08 Feb 2003 14:04:03 +0100, Magda wrote:

    >>On Fri, 07 Feb 2003 23:48:12 +0000, in rec.travel.europe, Padraig Breathnach
    >> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :
    >> ... Magda wrote:
    >> ...
    >> ... >Le verbe "aimer" est le plus compliqué de la langue. Son passé n'est jamais simple, son présent n'est qu'imparfait et son futur toujours conditionnel.

Et j'ai pensé l'anglais étais compliqué

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Gordon Forbess wrote:
    >
    > On Fri, 07 Feb 2003 22:05:38 -0800, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)"
    > wrote:
    >
    > > It's better to avoid political discussions, of
    > >course (I find that true at home, as well, when among strangers)
    >
    > How nice to know that none of us are strangers here.

Well, some are stranger than others!

    >
    > Gordon

Runge wrote:
    >
    > Well yeah you certainly don't deserve to go to France!
    > It's not your colony and as you like history never forget they helped the US
    > get free from british rule
    > I've seen 2 places in the world where people hang flags all over the place :
    > Ex-communist countries and the US.
    > That makes me feel uneasy.
    > I wonder what happens to the guy who doesn't hang his flag all over the
    > place...I rather enjoy Xmas trees better than flags.
    >

Mike appears to be just another of those poor souls who identify the
legitimate interests of the US & its people with the machinations of the
Bush administration. The French government, while taking exception with
the latter, has done nothing against the former.

    > "Mike O'Sullivan" a écrit dans le message de
    > news: [email protected]...
    > >
    > > "Jerry Johnson" wrote in message
    > > news:[email protected]...
    > > > > I am interested in the groups' take on this----we recently returned
    > from
    > > > > France, and although treated well, could clearly sense the growing
    > > > > anti-American position on Iraq, and didn't enjoy having to hear it,
    > > > > defend our country, avoid the discussion or agree with them.
    > > > > Anyways.....
    > > >
    > > > Which is why we altered our family spring vacation plans from France
    > to
    > > > the UK. And although we have had many more trips to the UK than to
    > > France,
    > > > our vacation dollars will not be going to France anytime soon. I
    > believe
    > > that
    > > > the current attitude of the French is the recognition that, aside from
    > an
    > > > underserving seat on the UN Security Council, the country no longer
    > > influences
    > > > world affairs. Like the kid who says that you have to play by my rules,
    > > or I
    > > > will take my baseball and go home. France wishes to direct a game in
    > > which
    > > > it will not play.
    > >
    > > France has never forgiven America or liberating their country. As has been
    > > said, no good deed remains un-punished.
    > >
    > >

"EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" wrote:

(snip)
    > It's better to avoid political discussions, of
    > course (I find that true at home, as well, when among strangers).

True, you never know if thy might be from the Thought Police .

    > Well yeah you certainly don't deserve to go to France!
    > It's not your colony and as you like history never forget they helped
    > the US get free from british rule

As early as our grade school, ages 5-12, we learn about Lafayette and the
French fleet at Yorktown. Although in the current politically left bias and
political correctness in US education, I'm not sure if that is still the
situation. And during WWI, Captain Rickenbacker's squadron was, in fact,
named "Lafayette Escadrille". After two world wars in which more American
and UK blood was spilled on French soil that that of its' own 'Army', I would
say we paid back Lafayette more that several times over. (By the way, France,
next time you are on your own).


    > I've seen 2 places in the world where people hang flags all over the place :
    > Ex-communist countries and the US.
    > That makes me feel uneasy.
    > I wonder what happens to the guy who doesn't hang his flag all over
    > the place...I rather enjoy Xmas trees better than flags.

Actually, I have always found the UK to be more flag conscience than here
in the US. A trait to which I will tip my hat.

And I don't believe that the current circumstances is something akin to a
'Pax Americanus'. Rather, it's time to remove the trash which should have
been taken out years ago. And after Saddam it's time to send North Korea
Kim into early and mandatory retirement. Don't think that despot won't sell
a nuke to the first terrorist which waves enough cash in his face.

The United Nations can either decide to make a difference, or rename itself
the League of Nations.

In article ,
"EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" writes
    >Well, I admit that, after the events of 11 September, I joined with a
    >great many Americans across the country in displaying a flag on my car's
    >radio antenna. I
The only time I have seen such things in the UK was during the last
World Cup (soccer.)
--
Marie Lewis