American Safety In Europe??
Feb 9th 2003 | 4:19 am
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Moin,
In article , [email protected] says...
> I wouldn't give a dime to any country who didn't support us against Iraq.
Fine. Do not spend money IN Germany :-).
Thanks, Chris.
In article , [email protected] says...
> I wouldn't give a dime to any country who didn't support us against Iraq.
Fine. Do not spend money IN Germany :-).
Thanks, Chris.
Feb 9th 2003 | 4:29 am
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LucasGinn wrote:
>> I don't get this. In the abstract, what is good about being
>> flag-conscious?
> The United States is a diverse country populated with people from
> different ethnic backgrounds and different religious/philosophical
> traditions. The flag is one of the few things that we all share in
> common.
This country would be tragically shallow if that were the case. If we don't
also share common economic and social interests, then the country is doomed.
Fortunately I think we do.
> I see nothing wrong with displaying one's national flag.
I don't generally see anything wrong with it, but I don't see it as any
great virtue either. Too often flags carry extra symbolism, and my judgment
is reserved for the content of that extra symbolism (hence my objection to
the Confederate battle flag sometimes flown in these parts).
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>> I don't get this. In the abstract, what is good about being
>> flag-conscious?
> The United States is a diverse country populated with people from
> different ethnic backgrounds and different religious/philosophical
> traditions. The flag is one of the few things that we all share in
> common.
This country would be tragically shallow if that were the case. If we don't
also share common economic and social interests, then the country is doomed.
Fortunately I think we do.
> I see nothing wrong with displaying one's national flag.
I don't generally see anything wrong with it, but I don't see it as any
great virtue either. Too often flags carry extra symbolism, and my judgment
is reserved for the content of that extra symbolism (hence my objection to
the Confederate battle flag sometimes flown in these parts).
miguel
--
Hit The Road! Photos and tales from around the world: http://travel.u.nu
Feb 9th 2003 | 4:47 am
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Magda wrote:
>
> On 8 Feb 2003 12:46:31 -0800, in rec.travel.europe, [email protected] (Jerry Johnson)
> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :
>
> (By the way, France,
> ... next time you are on your own).
>
> There *IS* a god !!...
LOL! I don't always agree with you (or even with this assertion, taken
at face value), but you can be funny as hell!
>
> On 8 Feb 2003 12:46:31 -0800, in rec.travel.europe, [email protected] (Jerry Johnson)
> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :
>
> (By the way, France,
> ... next time you are on your own).
>
> There *IS* a god !!...
LOL! I don't always agree with you (or even with this assertion, taken
at face value), but you can be funny as hell!
Feb 9th 2003 | 5:06 am
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Stratos Fear wrote:
> I wouldn't give a dime to any country who didn't support us against Iraq.
That's nice. Let us know exactly why it is that the US has to invade Iraq and
we might offer support, maybe even help. I have yet to see any solid proof
that Iraq poses any more of a threat to American territory. So far, it only
looks like Iraq has only a threat to it's neighbour and to the oil reserves.
Since its defeat 12 years ago, it is not even that, so it remains only a
threat to its own people, and you guys gladly deal with regimes that are
equally repressive.
> I wouldn't give a dime to any country who didn't support us against Iraq.
That's nice. Let us know exactly why it is that the US has to invade Iraq and
we might offer support, maybe even help. I have yet to see any solid proof
that Iraq poses any more of a threat to American territory. So far, it only
looks like Iraq has only a threat to it's neighbour and to the oil reserves.
Since its defeat 12 years ago, it is not even that, so it remains only a
threat to its own people, and you guys gladly deal with regimes that are
equally repressive.
Feb 9th 2003 | 5:06 am
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On 09 Feb 2003 15:42:50 GMT, [email protected] (LucasGinn) wrote:
>The United States is a diverse country populated with people from different
>ethnic backgrounds and different religious/philosophical traditions. The flag
>is one of the few things that we all share in common. I see nothing wrong with
>displaying one's national flag.
Good idea. Especially since it's a sunny 21C in San Diego today.
http://users.adelphia.net/~gforbess/images/flag.jpg
Gordon
>The United States is a diverse country populated with people from different
>ethnic backgrounds and different religious/philosophical traditions. The flag
>is one of the few things that we all share in common. I see nothing wrong with
>displaying one's national flag.
Good idea. Especially since it's a sunny 21C in San Diego today.
http://users.adelphia.net/~gforbess/images/flag.jpg
Gordon
Feb 9th 2003 | 5:42 am
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Charles Hawtrey wrote in message news:...
> Why? This isn't 1946, or even 1989. I can't imagine why it's in the US
> interest to station troops in a country that is obviously no threat, has
> no foreseeable enemies ranged against it, and has the means to defend
> itself. The US has to get out of the mentality of being the world's
> security guard.
Are you American? If you are, how come you have no bloody idea what
your country's political interests are?
The current debate isn't whether to move American bases from Germany
back to the US. Some people propose to move them to Poland intead.
That's still in Europe. And it violates current treaties with the
Russians.
M
> Why? This isn't 1946, or even 1989. I can't imagine why it's in the US
> interest to station troops in a country that is obviously no threat, has
> no foreseeable enemies ranged against it, and has the means to defend
> itself. The US has to get out of the mentality of being the world's
> security guard.
Are you American? If you are, how come you have no bloody idea what
your country's political interests are?
The current debate isn't whether to move American bases from Germany
back to the US. Some people propose to move them to Poland intead.
That's still in Europe. And it violates current treaties with the
Russians.
M
Feb 9th 2003 | 5:45 am
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[email protected] (Alexander Malinowski) wrote in message news:...
> Germany has signed unification agreement that somehow limit its
> souvereignity in the eastern part.
> Poland never signed any kind of agreement like this. Thoretically we
> can offer bases to NATO countries without any limit.
Bzzt, wrong. There are valid treaties with Russia, signed in 1993, that forbid this.
M
> Germany has signed unification agreement that somehow limit its
> souvereignity in the eastern part.
> Poland never signed any kind of agreement like this. Thoretically we
> can offer bases to NATO countries without any limit.
Bzzt, wrong. There are valid treaties with Russia, signed in 1993, that forbid this.
M
Feb 9th 2003 | 7:38 am
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From our point of view on this side...well....we hope you will remain like
that but DO be careful who you vote for next time!
"EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" a écrit dans le
message de news: [email protected]...
> Deep Floyd Mars wrote:
> >
> > EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > > target? Terrorists thrive on disrupting "normal", civilized life -
the
> > > only way to combat that is to refuse to be intimidated.
> > >
> >
> > Not the only way.
> >
> > As the British found out the hard way, terrorism can be controlled by
> > removing the reasons for people to sympathise with the offenders, and to
> > keep people talking at all costs. That, lots of time and patience to
allow
> > wounds to heal.
> Well, yes, of course, but the post to which I was replying was not
> suggesting reasonable solutions.
> >
> > I can see precisely nothing in the forthcoming war that will reduce the
> > possiblility of future attacks on the west. But I am in a democratic
> > country, so apparently my opinion doesn't mean anything anymore.
> I think quite a few of us feel that way . (And some of us on this
> side of the pond are beginning to wonder whether we ARE still in a
> "democratic" country.)
that but DO be careful who you vote for next time!
"EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" a écrit dans le
message de news: [email protected]...
> Deep Floyd Mars wrote:
> >
> > EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > > target? Terrorists thrive on disrupting "normal", civilized life -
the
> > > only way to combat that is to refuse to be intimidated.
> > >
> >
> > Not the only way.
> >
> > As the British found out the hard way, terrorism can be controlled by
> > removing the reasons for people to sympathise with the offenders, and to
> > keep people talking at all costs. That, lots of time and patience to
allow
> > wounds to heal.
> Well, yes, of course, but the post to which I was replying was not
> suggesting reasonable solutions.
> >
> > I can see precisely nothing in the forthcoming war that will reduce the
> > possiblility of future attacks on the west. But I am in a democratic
> > country, so apparently my opinion doesn't mean anything anymore.
> I think quite a few of us feel that way . (And some of us on this
> side of the pond are beginning to wonder whether we ARE still in a
> "democratic" country.)
Feb 9th 2003 | 7:41 am
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Nothing wrong...if you don't use it to smash the head of a football fan on a
drunken saturday afternoon
"LucasGinn" a écrit dans le message de news:
[email protected]...
> >I don't get this. In the abstract, what is good about being
flag-conscious?
> >
> The United States is a diverse country populated with people from
different
> ethnic backgrounds and different religious/philosophical traditions. The
flag
> is one of the few things that we all share in common. I see nothing wrong
with
> displaying one's national flag.
drunken saturday afternoon
"LucasGinn" a écrit dans le message de news:
[email protected]...
> >I don't get this. In the abstract, what is good about being
flag-conscious?
> >
> The United States is a diverse country populated with people from
different
> ethnic backgrounds and different religious/philosophical traditions. The
flag
> is one of the few things that we all share in common. I see nothing wrong
with
> displaying one's national flag.
Feb 9th 2003 | 8:14 am
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"Runge" skrev i meddelandet
news:[email protected]...
> From our point of view on this side...well....we hope you will remain like
> that but DO be careful who you vote for next time!
I think Evelyn have assured us she voted the same as close to 50% of the
Americans ,
right ?
L.P
news:[email protected]...
> From our point of view on this side...well....we hope you will remain like
> that but DO be careful who you vote for next time!
I think Evelyn have assured us she voted the same as close to 50% of the
Americans ,
right ?
L.P
Feb 9th 2003 | 1:53 pm
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I say after Iraq, lets take over France!
"Mike O'Sullivan" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "Jerry Johnson" wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > > I am interested in the groups' take on this----we recently returned
from
> > > France, and although treated well, could clearly sense the growing
> > > anti-American position on Iraq, and didn't enjoy having to hear it,
> > > defend our country, avoid the discussion or agree with them.
> > > Anyways.....
> >
> > Which is why we altered our family spring vacation plans from France
to
> > the UK. And although we have had many more trips to the UK than to
> France,
> > our vacation dollars will not be going to France anytime soon. I
believe
> that
> > the current attitude of the French is the recognition that, aside from
an
> > underserving seat on the UN Security Council, the country no longer
> influences
> > world affairs. Like the kid who says that you have to play by my rules,
> or I
> > will take my baseball and go home. France wishes to direct a game in
> which
> > it will not play.
> France has never forgiven America or liberating their country. As has been
> said, no good deed remains un-punished.
"Mike O'Sullivan" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "Jerry Johnson" wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > > I am interested in the groups' take on this----we recently returned
from
> > > France, and although treated well, could clearly sense the growing
> > > anti-American position on Iraq, and didn't enjoy having to hear it,
> > > defend our country, avoid the discussion or agree with them.
> > > Anyways.....
> >
> > Which is why we altered our family spring vacation plans from France
to
> > the UK. And although we have had many more trips to the UK than to
> France,
> > our vacation dollars will not be going to France anytime soon. I
believe
> that
> > the current attitude of the French is the recognition that, aside from
an
> > underserving seat on the UN Security Council, the country no longer
> influences
> > world affairs. Like the kid who says that you have to play by my rules,
> or I
> > will take my baseball and go home. France wishes to direct a game in
> which
> > it will not play.
> France has never forgiven America or liberating their country. As has been
> said, no good deed remains un-punished.
Feb 9th 2003 | 3:55 pm
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In article ,
"EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" wrote:
> Define "us" - there are quite a few Americans who do not support a war
> against Iraq, and believe it is Iraqi oil, not Iraqi "evil" that prompts
> our president's position. (And who agree that he opportunistically and
> cynically manipulated public opinion in the aftermath of 11 September,
> to accomplish his personal agenda.)
>
And what is his personal agenda?
--
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"Patience is a virtue"
"EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" wrote:
> Define "us" - there are quite a few Americans who do not support a war
> against Iraq, and believe it is Iraqi oil, not Iraqi "evil" that prompts
> our president's position. (And who agree that he opportunistically and
> cynically manipulated public opinion in the aftermath of 11 September,
> to accomplish his personal agenda.)
>
And what is his personal agenda?
--
Nancy Kay
remove go and gone.to.
"Patience is a virtue"
Feb 9th 2003 | 4:07 pm
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In article ,
"Runge" wrote:
> AND their flag is nicer to
> look at than yours!
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
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"Patience is a virtue"
"Runge" wrote:
> AND their flag is nicer to
> look at than yours!
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
--
Nancy Kay
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"Patience is a virtue"
Feb 9th 2003 | 4:16 pm
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In article ,
"Lennart Petersen" wrote:
> > From our point of view on this side...well....we hope you will remain like
> > that but DO be careful who you vote for next time!
> I think Evelyn have assured us she voted the same as close to 50% of the
> Americans ,
> right ?
No doubt about her membership in the Democratic party.Probably votes a
straight ticket at election time.
--
Nancy Kay
remove go and gone.to.
"Patience is a virtue"
"Lennart Petersen" wrote:
> > From our point of view on this side...well....we hope you will remain like
> > that but DO be careful who you vote for next time!
> I think Evelyn have assured us she voted the same as close to 50% of the
> Americans ,
> right ?
No doubt about her membership in the Democratic party.Probably votes a
straight ticket at election time.
--
Nancy Kay
remove go and gone.to.
"Patience is a virtue"
Feb 9th 2003 | 5:10 pm
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On Mon, 10 Feb 2003 04:55:39 +0000, Nancy Kay wrote:
> In article ,
> "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" wrote:
>
>> Define "us" - there are quite a few Americans who do not support a war
>> against Iraq, and believe it is Iraqi oil, not Iraqi "evil" that prompts
>> our president's position. (And who agree that he opportunistically and
>> cynically manipulated public opinion in the aftermath of 11 September,
>> to accomplish his personal agenda.)
>>
>
>
> And what is his personal agenda?
Personal? I guess you are probably right that it may well not be
personal. Still, his minders wouldn't mind seeing him reelected?
> In article ,
> "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" wrote:
>
>> Define "us" - there are quite a few Americans who do not support a war
>> against Iraq, and believe it is Iraqi oil, not Iraqi "evil" that prompts
>> our president's position. (And who agree that he opportunistically and
>> cynically manipulated public opinion in the aftermath of 11 September,
>> to accomplish his personal agenda.)
>>
>
>
> And what is his personal agenda?
Personal? I guess you are probably right that it may well not be
personal. Still, his minders wouldn't mind seeing him reelected?
