bellabob1

thanks i think i will give it a go the post reg training i have done is all degree level and i did speicalise in child nursing and from my cv and evidence hopefully they can see i have done non stop training in different area of my nursing. i am now a clinical lead which equates to level 7 in the uk band keep fingers crossed

YvetteCamille

Hey guys,
Just found this on a different forum, it is a response from someone who works in "communications" at AHPRA, I have cut and pasted the response about Dips and time frames only,

"I have a DipHE (+/- experience as a nurse). Will my application for registration be approved?

Your qualification must be assessed to be substantially equivalent to a Board-approved Australian qualification. For example, for registered nurses this must be equivalent to a bachelor degree as defined in the Australian Qualification Framework (AQF) Level 7.

A Diploma of Higher Education alone is generally considered to be AQF level 6 (along with advanced diplomas and associate degrees), which is below the required level for general registration. You may be eligible for a bridging program, which you will be referred to if your qualifications are assessed as AQF level 6.

For more information on the AQF and how it is used in assessment, visit this page on the National Board website.

Where your qualification leading to registration does not meet all eight qualification assessment criteria, the National Board will take into account any relevant subsequent nursing qualifications that may allow you to meet all requirements.

You can read about composite qualifications on the National Board website.


How long will my application take?

If you have already applied for registration and are wondering how long it will take to process your application, we regret that we are generally unable to give a reliable estimate of processing time. We will give clearer timeframes individually where they are available.

This is because we assess and process each application on an individual basis. The unique circumstances of your application will determine how long we take to process it.

Our goal is to resume our previous target of 4-6 weeks as soon as possible to assess and determine applications from internationally qualified nurses or midwives that are both complete and straight forward. Applications that are complex may take longer.

More information on processing time is available on the National Board website.


To enquire about the status of your application
To find out details about the status of your application, contact AHPRA directly or speak to your registration officer."

Says it all i think

genorm

Hi Yvette, good to see you back on here again

AHPRA are very much wise to the current situation, as is The Prime Minister, The Immigration Minister, The Health Minister, the various state Health Authorities, many MPs, and hospitals across Australia. (Although they were made aware by nurses and Recruiters, not by AHPRA).

The argument centres around AHPRA's rating of the UK Dip HE, a 3 year qualification, as being the equivalent of an Australian Diploma, which is two years. There are MANY UK nurses who qualified with a Diplama BEFORE there was a Nursing degree. Therefore, those with a Dip HE are complaining that AHPRA are comparing them with something that doesn't exist.

Also, as you are aware, in October 2013, AHPRA announced on it's web site that it was not considering any Overseas applications because it was developing new criteria. Then, on February 10th, 2014, it announced the new criteria, but did NOT state that the Dip HE was not acceptable, instead, rolling out the line that qualification must be comparitive to the Australian degree, which up till now, always has been.

Also, on announcing the new criteria, it backdated it to October 2013. So what happened to all the applications received by AHPRA between October 2013 and the beginning of June, when their refusal to register Dip HE first became apparent? What happened was that they AHPRA, still continued to aaccept applications, take the fees, and go through the motions of considering those applications only to say at the end, that Registration was refused because applicants didn't meet the qualification framework.

The problem is, the Dip HE DOES meet the criteria of the AQF. when asked to illustrate HOW it fails, AHPRA have no answer. They change their minds on various issues. Their own Case Officers have been found wanting when it comes to answers to simple quetions. There is no cohesion, and it's taken MONTHS for this point to be reached.

So, with little to lose, nurses have formed a group and highlighted to their cause. It must be hitting home because AHPRA have stopped responding to questions on Social media. They have put out statements on UK forum(s) that state the obvious, but answer no questions. They have even taken the petty step of NOT accepting relevant paper work directly from ANMAC.

The sad part of all of this is that the DON's and HR Directors at the hospitals we recruit for are asking why the flow of applications has dried up. They are also in the dark. They say they just want experienced Nurses, who can hit the ground running, because they are short of those. They say UK Dip HE Nurses are no different to Degree nurses from Oz or anywhere else. They also say if they can't employ experienced Nurses, they just have to work overtime, because they don't have enough staff to be able to supervise/mentor new graduates.

One other point. I'm currently resourcing nurses for New Zealand. NZ does accept UK Dip HE Nurses, because that is considered equivalent to the NZ Degree. NZ Nurses, with their degree, can walk straight into Oz because the NZ RN is considered the equivalent of the Oz RN.

Sorry, but you did ask .

YvetteCamille

Hi Dave,

Ive missed the chats on here!
Ok well good to know that NZ may be an option
The one thing that I really don't understand is that Australia don't even have a mental health nursing degree or any mental health specific nurse training so how can they compare the UK RMN Dip to the Oz BSc?
Ooh got me going again! lol.
I'm still no further forward, emailed my case officer again last month and was told that my application is "being processed internally" (I presume this means in Darwin where it was sent and not to Sydney with the others?) and that she would let me know when a date has been set by the board to assess my quals.

Its still a waiting game I'm afraid, fingers crossed.

genorm

Yep, Good Luck

LishaNurse

okay so i thought i'd share my aphra experience so far!! I sent all documents off at the beginning of may. I have a flight to asia at the beginning of january and i arrive in Oz in april. I had to resend the application form - i did. Received at the end of june. I have just had an email today saying that my application does not meet criteria 2,3,6,8 and i must send the attached letter to both the nmc and my university to get them to send it to them to prove my course is accredited. I also need proof of drug calculations, pharmacodynamics and pharmacokinetics....

I don't even know where to start. I reckon this will take me a long time to sort out and they want it all done by 25th August... yeah right... funny thing is that my uni had sent me a letter to send to them because they knew they were going on about this drugs thing and it specifically states that i studied it...

bellabob1

I in the same boat i contact NMC and they have sent off relevant information and so have my university but the uni didint mention about drug calculations pharmacodynamics or pharmacokinetics as they sent me a copy of what they have sent the AHPRA so i think i will email uni again to make usre they can send another letter wit the template on the actual transcript in more detail thanks for the information. How long have you been qualified ??? im 12 years and have loads of post reg qualifications as well so im hoping they will consder that aswell

carriee85

Same boat too.. Have emailed my tutor today and hopefully between her, student services and the course leader will send off relevant info in the next month... What's annoying is I did a postgraduate diploma, meds were assessed in practice and we didn't do a full pharmacology module... But I had to do a further exam and practical assessments so I could give meds at work! At least my letter said if I don't get registered they refund the fee (bit defeatist, I know).

How exactly did you forward that form to the NMC? What person or department and address please?

Carrie

Gill and Rob

Anyone thinking of NZ... remember you need 2 years of experience post qualifying.

Cheers

Gill

genorm

Most hospitals in both Oz and NZ require at least 2 year's Post Grad, even with a degree. The exceptions are for Specialised areas, such as Midwifery, and in locations of extreme shortage (such as Mt. Isa, Katherine, etc.)

Gill and Rob

Meant to say 2 years experience post qualifying just to get your registration even if you have a degree.

Cheers

picto1

Got myself a telephone interview on Friday for a job in Perth! Whoop!

nellienoo78

Carrie the form for the NMC should have come with a return envelope so you just post it back to them, giving them the address that you are using for AHPRA. Picto1 how did it go?? Fingers crossed for you! The only thing left is my NMC stuff to go, although am hoping they have sent it out. Need to follow up on that. Referees have been submitted for Sydney job. Now just need to wait!

Scirocco

Hey bigmac1,

I got the same email as yourself this morning from AHPRA in WA asking for a certificate of good standing to be sent directly to them. They gave me a deadline....7 days.... Ive had to email them to say that will be impossible. NMC emailed me saying there is a delay processing application packs, which will take anything from 7-10 days. Watch this space guys...

FingFang

Is anyone else applying as a registered midwife?

I have sent my forms last week and I've confirmed they have arrived. I have heard that the international midwife applications haven't been accepted since February - since the new rules changed.

I have a degree and I did study pharmacology as part of it, my problem is with the sectio about providing '20 continuity of care' for women whilst studying. I never did that at university, although I'm no qualified and certainly have no problem providing continuity of care.

Anyone else in a simliar position?