dreaming of england
Dec 6th 2005, 12:13 am
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Re: dreaming of england
Originally Posted by homesick harry
That doesn't bother me so much, I find that they're always trying to prove something, & can find some of them pretentious.
I dont know if its something to do with being a new country & miles away from anywhere, but they seem to be striving for some kind of identity. I can't stand the fact they have disassociated themselves with their British heritage, they slag of brits, but they've all got british blood in them. This doesn't translate to other countries though, they're all proud to have french / german / whatever blood somewhere down the line, or they're happy to claim 1/64th Maori in them, but they cant bring themselves to be part European. My point regarding this is they seem to have forgotten or don't want to know where they've come from, & this breeds the striving for an identity thing i mentioned. I'm not keen on people who don't remember where they've come from, I like heritage & history in a person & in a place & i dont get that here.
I dont know if its something to do with being a new country & miles away from anywhere, but they seem to be striving for some kind of identity. I can't stand the fact they have disassociated themselves with their British heritage, they slag of brits, but they've all got british blood in them. This doesn't translate to other countries though, they're all proud to have french / german / whatever blood somewhere down the line, or they're happy to claim 1/64th Maori in them, but they cant bring themselves to be part European. My point regarding this is they seem to have forgotten or don't want to know where they've come from, & this breeds the striving for an identity thing i mentioned. I'm not keen on people who don't remember where they've come from, I like heritage & history in a person & in a place & i dont get that here.
Said it time after time myself, usually causes a few ruffles amongst kiwi feathers but......so be it. Its the truth.
Dec 6th 2005, 2:07 am
#107
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Re: dreaming of england
Originally Posted by Mark & Sarah
I believe every man/woman has the god given right to own their own fridge and I claim this right as a naive immigrant to this great and promised land!(sorry harry, you aint put us off)
We fly from M/cr Airport on 20th Dec at 0950 (I think) to Singapore, with Singers Airline. We are actually heading for Perth to see relatives first. Then onto Hawkes Bay where I have been reliably informed the streets are paved with gold.
We fly from M/cr Airport on 20th Dec at 0950 (I think) to Singapore, with Singers Airline. We are actually heading for Perth to see relatives first. Then onto Hawkes Bay where I have been reliably informed the streets are paved with gold.
Do y'self a favour and stay in Perth.
Dec 6th 2005, 2:12 am
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Re: dreaming of england
Originally Posted by silvermuse
i have just been reading all the posts and it seems to me that the poms are the only ones who can actually answer a question, whether is be a negative or positive reply, without turning it around. again, the kiwis will always ignore and turn their backs on whatever they dont feel like facing up to.
Some of this is pure homesickness and anyone woudl experience it regardless but some are our observations of living here day to day and realising we felt ripped off enough in the UK thanks and didn't want to come here to get ripped off too.
I thinkit is fine here if you are of school age but after school what opportunities are there? So I think I see why you are feeling so disconnected. I would not recommend anyone bring family here.
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Dec 6th 2005, 3:53 am
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Re: dreaming of england
Hawkes Bay? Isn't that where the Mongrel Mob have a chapter? it's not gold those streets are paved with - it's something a lot more expensive 
http://www.hbtoday.co.nz/storydispla...thesubsection=
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Dec 6th 2005, 5:49 am
#110
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Re: dreaming of england
Originally Posted by mumomonty
With respect, maybe it's because they don't understand what we left and what we expected and what we got.
Some of this is pure homesickness and anyone woudl experience it regardless but some are our observations of living here day to day and realising we felt ripped off enough in the UK thanks and didn't want to come here to get ripped off too.
I thinkit is fine here if you are of school age but after school what opportunities are there? So I think I see why you are feeling so disconnected. I would not recommend anyone bring family here.
Some of this is pure homesickness and anyone woudl experience it regardless but some are our observations of living here day to day and realising we felt ripped off enough in the UK thanks and didn't want to come here to get ripped off too.
I thinkit is fine here if you are of school age but after school what opportunities are there? So I think I see why you are feeling so disconnected. I would not recommend anyone bring family here.
Dec 6th 2005, 6:32 am
#111
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Re: dreaming of england
Here's what I think is the root of all the problems highlighted on this and many other threads -
Us Brits will happily admit when there is something negative about our country.
New Zealanders will NEVER admit anything is wrong with their country.
And Us Brits can't understand that attitude and spend all our time trying to point out to Kiwis all the multiple problems in NZ which the Kiwis will not admit to, and in fact try to deny exist.
Interestingly though, you never see threads of this vehemence on the Australia forum.......................
Cheers
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Us Brits will happily admit when there is something negative about our country.
New Zealanders will NEVER admit anything is wrong with their country.
And Us Brits can't understand that attitude and spend all our time trying to point out to Kiwis all the multiple problems in NZ which the Kiwis will not admit to, and in fact try to deny exist.
Interestingly though, you never see threads of this vehemence on the Australia forum.......................
Cheers
Buzzy
Dec 6th 2005, 6:43 am
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Re: dreaming of england
Originally Posted by Buzzy--Bee
And Us Brits can't understand that attitude and spend all our time trying to point out to Kiwis all the multiple problems in NZ which the Kiwis will not admit to, and in fact try to deny exist.
Buzzy
Dec 6th 2005, 6:53 am
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Re: dreaming of england
OMG 
Something like, 'show them the error of their ways'? It's hilarous! NOT. And then people accuse the Kiwis of arrogance 
Something like, 'show them the error of their ways'? It's hilarous! NOT. And then people accuse the Kiwis of arrogance
Dec 6th 2005, 6:59 am
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Re: dreaming of england
Originally Posted by Apple12
Why do you feel the need to tell kiwis 'all of the multiple problems in NZ'? It doesn't seem like a very good way of settling into a new life in a completely different place.
Dec 6th 2005, 7:01 am
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Re: dreaming of england
Originally Posted by turkeytickler
it is a way of countering the defensive stance some people take that belittle other peoples views regarding the multitude of subjects under discussoin on this forum.
Dec 6th 2005, 7:13 am
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Re: dreaming of england
Originally Posted by Apple12
Errrrm ok. I think.
Dec 6th 2005, 7:23 am
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Re: dreaming of england
Originally Posted by turkeytickler
it is a way of countering the defensive stance some people take that belittle other peoples views regarding the multitude of subjects under discussoin on this forum.
Yes. That's what I meant. Or something like that. I think the reason we act like I described above is because the Kiwis constantly ram down our throats how much better NZ is than anywhere else and we feel the need to defend this and "point out the problems with NZ". I never felt this way before I moved to NZ, and haven't since I returned to the UK.
Cheers
Buzzy
Dec 6th 2005, 6:48 pm
#118
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Re: dreaming of england/just go then!
Originally Posted by turkeytickler
Nice Guy - you and another poster have both made comments on here tonight to the effect that you are happy with your lot- no one has taken offence to that. Others are not happy...... and are making on-topic postings to that effect.
It is so easy not to read these posts if you dont like them....
It is so easy not to read these posts if you dont like them....
My offer, I thought, is a very generous and benevolent attempt to assist UK weary people back to their homeland, which incidentally is also my homeland. Not one person has taken up this kind service but there is still time to return before Christmas if so desired.
And likewise to the last sentence of your posting.
homesick harry I am sure your postings have been greeted with the veracity that they have been written, however as I am a closet epidemiologist I am intrigued by one of your postings where you state:
Originally Posted by homesick harry
........ read somethign saying 195000 people left the uk last year for NZ, 110000 returned within 1 year, 60% of people cant all be wrong.
What is your source and reference for this interesting information?
This is not a knocking I am genuinely fascinated.
Dec 6th 2005, 6:58 pm
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Re: dreaming of england/just go then!
Originally Posted by Nice Guy
Well thanks turkeytickler (cool name by the way) for confirming what I already knew and I am so pleased I have not upset anyone by being content with my lot, that's a large weight off my mind.
My offer, I thought, is a very generous and benevolent attempt to assist UK weary people back to their homeland, which incidentally is also my homeland. Not one person has taken up this kind service but there is still time to return before Christmas if so desired.
And likewise to the last sentence of your posting.
homesick harry I am sure your postings have been greeted with the veracity that they have been written, however as I am a closet epidemiologist I am intrigued by one of your postings where you state:
Edited by Nice Guy for space reasons
What is your source and reference for this interesting information?
This is not a knocking I am genuinely fascinated.
My offer, I thought, is a very generous and benevolent attempt to assist UK weary people back to their homeland, which incidentally is also my homeland. Not one person has taken up this kind service but there is still time to return before Christmas if so desired.
And likewise to the last sentence of your posting.
homesick harry I am sure your postings have been greeted with the veracity that they have been written, however as I am a closet epidemiologist I am intrigued by one of your postings where you state:
Edited by Nice Guy for space reasons
What is your source and reference for this interesting information?
This is not a knocking I am genuinely fascinated.
Cheers
Buzzy
Dec 6th 2005, 7:09 pm
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Re: dreaming of england/just go then!
Originally Posted by Buzzy--Bee
You may have a problem getting a reply - he's been banned!
Cheers
Buzzy
Cheers
Buzzy
Bugger!
What for?