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DunRoaminTheUK Jul 10th 2008 2:44 pm

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Originally Posted by rabsody (Post 6559021)
I'd vote for him! Sounds like a great chap.

This is the problem. Immigrants move in, contribute to the system (working, paying tax, having kids who then become second generation immigrants). At what point down the line are they allowed to have their say? Does it make it more palatable if large groups have moved here en masse (say, Brits moving to Australia)?

I know as an immigrant myself I expect to adapt to the ways of the host country but I also expect as a long term member of that society to have a say and have certain rights (as well as responsibilities) extended to me.

Second generation immigrants usually also want to retain their original cultural background as well as their new cultural identity, which then really complicates the issue.

It's a very complex situation and one that we do have to address given the transient nature of today's world.

I reckon that Jesus was wrong and in-fact it is the Chinese who will inherit the earth.

rabsody Jul 10th 2008 3:01 pm

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Originally Posted by DunRoaminTheUK (Post 6559033)
I reckon that Jesus was wrong and in-fact it is the Chinese who will inherit the earth.

Yep, Jesus or no Jesus, the power shift is happening.

backagen Jul 10th 2008 7:44 pm

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The more I read about all these various religeons, the more I see how similar they all are.

They're all a load of ******** in my opinion, but very similar nevertheless!

northernbird Jul 10th 2008 8:04 pm

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Originally Posted by backagen (Post 6559452)
The more I read about all these various religeons, the more I see how similar they all are.

They're all a load of ******** in my opinion, but very similar nevertheless!

I agree, take religion out of the equation and there would be no war.

NedKelly Jul 10th 2008 8:18 pm

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Originally Posted by backagen (Post 6559452)
The more I read about all these various religeons, the more I see how similar they all are.

They're all a load of ******** in my opinion, but very similar nevertheless!

That's probably the most sensible thing about religion that anyone has said in this thread. The trouble is with those believers who think you are wrong and will rot in hell.

Tableland Jul 10th 2008 8:34 pm

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Originally Posted by DunRoaminTheUK (Post 6559033)
I reckon that Jesus was wrong and in-fact it is the Chinese who will inherit the earth.

Although some Chinese now are wealthy enough to start buying their own stuff, the vast majority of Chinese manufactured goods are totally dependent upon being exported to the West and bought by big fat Brits and Americans. When the recession (or depression, the jury's still out) hits the West it will hit China.

In fact it already is, with the Shanghai composite down a massive 50% in less than a year - the biggest bear market in history. On top of all that, Beijing also has to worry about Moscow and Delhi all the time, not to mention Tokyo (with the biggest navy in Asia). If that weren't bad enough, \the one child policy has caused a dreadful imbalance in their demographics and a serious time bomb is ticking away under the whole population.

The Chinese threat is exaggerated enormously.

backagen Jul 10th 2008 8:41 pm

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Originally Posted by NedKelly (Post 6559512)
That's probably the most sensible thing about religion that anyone has said in this thread. The trouble is with those believers who think you are wrong and will rot in hell.

Yeah, sure!

I'll take my chances on the rotting in hell thing, thanks!

NedKelly Jul 10th 2008 8:47 pm

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Originally Posted by backagen (Post 6559570)
I'll take my chances on the rotting in hell thing, thanks!

If you change your mind you could always blow yourself to bits and get to sleep with 72 virgins. :rofl:

ezzie Jul 10th 2008 8:50 pm

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Agghhh...sorry Northern Bird - I've been going mad trying to find the particular bio I read and can't, it hasn't kept it in my browser. You'll just have to trust me. Who knows, it might have been written for a specific community event of the Muslim type....don't know, I'd gone into a Google frenzy.


Originally Posted by northernbird (Post 6558992)
I must have read a different bio to you

http://www.birmingham.gov.uk/Generat...93&EXPAND=5092


backagen Jul 10th 2008 10:17 pm

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Originally Posted by NedKelly (Post 6559587)
If you change your mind you could always blow yourself to bits and get to sleep with 72 virgins. :rofl:

If they change it to 74 virgins, I'm in!

Tableland Jul 10th 2008 11:03 pm

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Originally Posted by NedKelly (Post 6559587)
If you change your mind you could always blow yourself to bits and get to sleep with 72 virgins. :rofl:

According to the Koran it's not just martyrs who get the virgins but any muslim (man). It's not virgins anyway because of a mistranslation, but raisins. Read Ibn Warraq:

"We cannot go into the technical details of his methodology but it allows Luxenberg, to the probable horror of all Muslim males dreaming of sexual bliss in the Muslim hereafter, to conjure away the wide-eyed houris promised to the faithful in suras XLIV.54; LII.20, LV.72, and LVI.22. Luxenberg 's new analysis, leaning on the Hymns of Ephrem the Syrian, yields "white raisins" of "crystal clarity" rather than doe-eyed, and ever willing virgins - the houris. Luxenberg claims that the context makes it clear that it is food and drink that is being offerred, and not unsullied maidens or houris."

Sorry guys, but you blow yourselves up for dried fruit.

backagen Jul 10th 2008 11:52 pm

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Well I do kind of like raisins, but they'd have to give me more than 72 of them!

If I was in a raisin eating mood, I could get through 72 in about 10 minutes very easily. Not much of a way to spend the rest of eternity really!

Does anyone know how they came up with the number 72 though?

Bijilo123 Jul 11th 2008 3:21 am

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Originally Posted by ezzie (Post 6558920)
What's the other 90% made-up of then?

Allsorts with significant elements from Nigeria, South America and South East Asia. No Europeans and few North Americans. They were all impressive too.

ezzie Jul 11th 2008 8:47 am

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A mix is pretty healthy, not like the uni situation here in Oz which is mono-culture, well for uni of NSW and Macquarie anyhow. I think Sydney and UWS are holding their own.


Originally Posted by Bijilo123 (Post 6560715)
Allsorts with significant elements from Nigeria, South America and South East Asia. No Europeans and few North Americans. They were all impressive too.


NedKelly Jul 11th 2008 11:30 am

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Originally Posted by backagen (Post 6560111)

Does anyone know how they came up with the number 72 though?

I wondered that myself. I think it is wrong. The number actually comes from the fact that it is Chapter 55 verse 72 which says 55:72 Fair ones, close-guarded in pavilions. In other words Allah will reward believing men with "fair ones" (beautiful women) in heaven. The verse number has somehow been mixed in with the verse.

It would be interesting to know how many fair ones you can have. Perhaps Canuck74 can give us an exact number.:rofl:


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