Schoolboys get detention for refusing to pray to Allah!
 

OK, I know, it's in the Daily Fail, but with the UK's most senior judge AND the Archbishop of Canterbury advocating some use of Sharia law in the UK....I'm just a tad nervous considering we're looking at going back with our kids. The anti-wrinkle cream may not be working, but I've no intentions of taking to wearing a burka just yet!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ray-Allah.html

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Ezzie......if you don't want to go back then don't go back.

It seem's that you are simply looking for reasons not to.

The Daily Mail is known for it's misleading, anti labour govt. and anti migrant views. If you choose to believe the nonsense they print then, perhaps you should stay where you are.

I have a house in Brisbane and one in the UK.....I can see very little difference between the two counties.

G

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It was a comment put up for discussion. I'm not so narrow-minded as to make a decision based on one issue. If I didn't want to go back...then I wouldn't and I wouldn't be posting in this section. But we do want to go back and I would imagine that many others who are planning to return are concerned about similar issues. Hence the post.

I did actually refer to it as 'The Daily Fail' in my post so obviously I'm awared of it's bias. However, the statements issued by Lord Chief Justice Lord Phillips and Dr Rowan Williams are valid no matter which paper in which they appear.

I'm sure there's many who would be in the position to comment on whether this is a 'beat-up' or whether there is real concern in the UK as to the possibility of the UK having its own laws eroded and eventually usurped.

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It makes a great story, doesn't it? Sells papers, I'm sure.

(BTW, that other article about Sharia Law was very specific if one read down. "So far as the law is concerned, those who live in this country are governed by English and Welsh law and subject to the jurisdiction of the English and Welsh courts."

No suggestion of it being "law." Just incorporating some social customs. As the article also pointed out, it's already happening with Jewish customs. In Canada, we're incorporating First Nations customs, as we should.)

The thing is, the headline could have been, "What Nutty Teachers We Have These Days!" with the emphasis on how some teachers need to get a brain, but it wouldn't have sold as many papers.

There are always teachers everywhere, especially young ones, who'll come up with a cool new idea of how to enhance lessons, make them more real etc which is completely, utterly stupid. It usually only happens once before someone opens their brains up to the air a bit.

It's clear even from the Mail that this wasn't curriculum. That it was just a crazy idea, but I hope the boys get an apology, and perhaps even commendation, and that principal is a wuss.

t's wrong all around to have non-believers partaking in religious ceremonies. Learning about them, yes. But not doing. Is he or she going to be having them all take the host, to teach them about Roman Catholicism. Heck. Don't let that teacher know about circumcision!!!!!

Bev :)

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I agree. It's just the daily fail doing what it does worst. Ignore it!

I'm sure that the truth is the teacher concerned most probably had good intentions and just got a bit carried away. I'm sure if that teacher was asked about his/her opinion on all of this, he/she would agree that it's wrong to force children to participate in another religeon, but that probably wasn't the way they saw it at the time.

Personally I think schools should not teach anything about religeon of any kind, let parents do that if they must. I think it would be much more helpful in this day and age for schools to teach kids about values like respect, citizenship, the law, honesty, responsibility and so forth.

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What should the headline for this story have been?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...tml#addComment

I have a suggestion, "Frustrated old spinster takes out it on on poor disabled boy"

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No, actually,we shouldn't. If you personally choose to, that is just fine, but I will not (and have not) agreed to participate in FN ceremonies or customs. I find the notion that we "should" incorporate "customs" on an obligatory basis quite offensive. :huh:

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Well I would have to assume that the basic facts of that story are probably true, by the sound of it. On that basis I would say that it is just another case of exreme political correctness which, sadly, is not unique to Britain and is happening very much here in Australia, and I'm sure in the USA and other parts of the world.

It is actually pathetic and childish behaviour when you really step back and look at it objectively.

This is the year 2008, not 1608. Why on earth is ANYONE still subscribing to medieval theories about reincarnation and punishment for 'sins' in past lives? Why on earth should any child be forced, or even encouraged, to learn such complete rubbish at school these days?

It really is, as I said, childish and pathetic!

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It was in the Daily Telegraph as well?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2247...llah'.html

and the Daily Express (although I suppose the DE is not much different from the DM)

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/...-pray-to-Allah

So get your burka ready just in case!

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I'm fairly sure that, once again, the whole story has been taken completely out of context by the media.

The real situation probably was nowhere near as bad as that story makes it sound.

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I'd refuse to pray to Allah too.

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probably going a bit off topic but I thought that God and Allah were the same but in a different language. If so then I agree I would never pray in a different way than I do now, nor expect any other religion to do so.

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I don't know what God you pray to but the one I pray to doesn't condone child marriage, genital mutilation, honour killing or jihad.

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The one I pray to doesn't exist!

I do however respect peoples right to believe what they want to believe though, provided it does not pose any harm or threat to anyone else, or reasonably offend anyone.

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Sir, I think you'll find that the one you are talking about is a prophet - not God and I'll await your quotes from the relavent tracts with interest.

FGM is not accepted by any religion. Genital mutation in males is practiced by all religions for health and religious reasons.

Jihad was started by the first crusade - in other words originates in England.

Your remarks are offesive. As are my thoughts but the latter remain unpublished.

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There's a perfect example of how religeon can be offensive, and when taken further, can lead to wars, violence, murder and all kinds of other bad things.

Is there really any need for all that?

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So would I!!! theres seems to be a lot of stuff in the schools at the moment about them all learning muslim laws at the moment.

One teacher at our school told the kids to "see" how many muslims they could spot at the weekend. My friend made me laugh cos she went to Ikea and her son keep saying theres one! theres another! and she said what are you doing he said muslim spotting:lol::lol:( no offence)

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No it's not.

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Of course it's not. That would just be beyond insanity!

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Sorry, male circumscision is not practised?? I think it is you know.

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But not "by all religions." I don't know any branch of Christianity that demands it.

It's also out of popularity healthwize.

Bev

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I think you are all missing the point. There is a world of difference between having your foreskin removed and having your clitoris removed.

FGM is like having the first inch of your willie removed. It is a painful procedure practiced mainly in North Africa and the Middle East by Muslims.

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ouch! Haven't heard of this one. Why on earth do they do it?

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Was anyone talking about female genital mutilation? I didn't see it.

It's appalling, but it's become the standard of decency in some cultures, so an intact girl won't find a husband. The root idea seems to be if she can't get clitoral pleasure she's less likely to be unfaithful. Disgusting. And illegal in all western countries as far as I know, but some parents take their daughters to their homeland to have it done. Can you imagine?

I don't think they've done it yet, but there's talk in Canada of prosecuting such parents for severe child abuse when they return.

Sorry, one of my few raging topics.

Bev

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I have a house in Brisbane and one in the UK.....I can see very little difference between the two G[/QUOTE]

Your losing it G, "a freudian slip me thinks",,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,mm:rofl:

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It goes on right here in BC, they don't need to wait until these individuals return to Canada. Rage on, but look closer to home.

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It's done all the time in the UK and the authorities turn a blind eye. Often it's done with rusty razor blades.

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Not in Algeria or Libya it isn't, I dont know about the other North African countries and there isnt anything in the Koran that states it either. I think it is a cultural thing rather than a religious requirement.

I worked for a Libyan company and some of my colleagues said it is just the guys that are circumcised, they had never heard of women being done.

I know in Somalia it is a big thing and some African countries it is - not a muslim thing.

Jesus, can you imagine having your clit sliced off? Bloody hell that would make me cry.:eek:

Someone told me that in Australia, alot of men are routinely circumcised, does anyone know if this is true?:confused:

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I think it was fairly popular in Australia until about 1960 because of a supposed health benefit, but since then, no.

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I was told by ex MIL it was very common place in Aus.

She was a kindy teacher up until a few years ago so that must give her a shred of credibility (though this was when the sex of my unborn child was not known and she was trying to pressure me into circumcision if it was a boy). :thumbdown:

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I believe it was the same in Canada at one stage too.

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Strangely enough, the subject was discussed by an Aussie mate and myself a couple of weeks ago. She said that virtually every Aussie guy born up to about 1980 was circumcised as a matetr of course for health reasons. She found it very strange to find that British guys weren't treated the same!

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Nonsense. The concept of Jihad pre-dates the crusades by centuries.

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Why do women want to do this to their little boys, even before they are born? What were your MIL's reasons and why the pressure? I am sure it must be a control thing with them. The same as women like riding horses.

Or maybe the women just want to get back at the men after having their clits cut off. God, that makes my eyes water and I am a man.

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She was formerly a nurse, very traditional/conservative person and she thought it was the hygenic way. She did not take to kindly to me saying no way on earth was I going to do that to my child! (I ended up having a girl so the problem was solved). She also took it upon herself to register our children with the Grammar School here without even asking us (we were living in the UK).

And yes, she was/is a control freak. Utter nightmare! :curse:

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There's lots of reasons for circumcision, but none of them good enough IMO.-

Religion, of course. Hygiene. Health -- infections etc.

But big ones are silly like -- "to be like daddy." That way we'd never change anything.

Also, people who've had their sons circumcized don't like any criticism of it because it implies they did the wrong thing, so they recommend it. But in fact there was a time when it was just expected. It was the norm. It's no one's fault.

There's the same thing with breast feeding, sort of. Shall we get into another topic?:lol: Mothers and m-in-l who didn't, tend to pressure not to, because they have to have done the best for their babies.

My mum said that during the war the government was all for bottle feeding, because it freed up young women to do war work. After, they were suddenly all for breastfeeding, so they'd stay home and leave the jobs for the men.

Bev

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If it was my boy who they forced to do this, then I would send him to school dressed as a Templar Knight the day after.

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Ha...brilliant DunRoamin - not exactly subtle though. Still love the idea though.

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They would probably only send his head home..............:rofl:mm

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Surprised it hasnt happened in Aus yet - our teaching unions are so PC that I wouldnt put it past them. PC gone rampant.

I heard from somewhere quite recently that there is a special clinic in Sydney to deal with the aftermath of FGM there - they have an astonishing number of girls every year - several hundreds each year from memory.

Male circumcision wasnt in fashion by the end of the 70s in UK and there wasnt an issue in Aus in the 80s - in fact it was quite out of fashion. No one asked when our boys were young.