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I believe that is true, and whilst it might seem an impossible task, society can begin by educating its children to be tolerant of all people/cultures/religions, whether or not they believe and whatever they believe in.

My husband has had some dreadful comments about him not wanting to practise his religion, positively bordering on hatred when he said if ever he had a child then they could choose their own religion and who they marry - whether they be Jewish/Hindu etc.

Only last week one of my Muslim workers said he was horrified that Mr PP did not do Ramadan.

It is my husbands choice and his right to exercise that choice and he chooses not to adopt the religion. He believes in God and living his live without hurting anyone else and that is that really.

And you wouldn't believe how his choice upsets people.

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I couldn't agree more. This world is getting smaller and smaller by the day. We are no longer living in our own secluded cultures and religions. I think it is time to understand that. Hating someone has never helped anyone. Personally, to me if I would like someone else to convert to my religion, the best I can do is to show it to them by example and by force. If they still have reservation, then they are entitled to it. Force never creates loyalty, it only creates hate and resentment.

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Sort of off topic, but I don't think it is. You've probably seen the Where's Matt video? The guy dancing in many countries?

It's incredibly popular, and that gives me hope, because really it's saying, "We're all one. We're all the same at heart."

In case you haven't....
http://youtube.com/watch?v=zlfKdbWwruY&feature=user

If you think it's daft to begin with, stick with it. It'll put a smile on your face, no matter what.

Bev :)

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I am only quoting from the Koran, how can that be misinformation?

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When I went to Tunisia, we saw the locals drinking and smoking, being very sleazy with female holidaymakers and when the call to prayer started, they would go off to the mosque.

My husband reckons you are either muslim or you aren't and cannot choose the bits to suit you.

With Islam saying that you should not do yourself harm - intoxicate yoursef, take drugs etc, I am shocked at the amount of people that have got angry with my husband for not practising and themselves have done Ramadan and afterwards gone to the pub or smoked.

Shocking and rather hypocritical really, as Mr PP said - you either are or you are not.

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A very valid point.

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As your next sentence contradicted that I would hate to believe that you really did try and convert people by example and force.

Re: Schoolboys get detention for refusing to pray to Allah!
 

But isn't that somewhat like Christians who eat meat on Fridays? (Which apparently is ok now, but was a serious sin when I was younger).

I have to say, who cares! Let them eat meat, drink alcohol, and worship whatever they like if they so chose, provided they don't do anyone any harm or cause reasonable offence to others.

Simple as that!

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Thanks for the link Bev - great video:)

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Sorry, I meant to type, "by example and not by force"

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That is exactly the problem with today's religious people have. They say they believe in a particular religion but they choose to practice religion of convenience. Well, this particular item fits my lifestyle, so I am going to follow while this other one does not so I will just skip over it.

Drinking and being sleazy is forbidden in Islam yet they were doing it. Why? Because they really have no faith. Going to the mosque for prayer afterwards does not make you a Muslim. This is what I call a religion of convenience. I will see what I can do but when it comes to follow other things, such as decent morals, I will just skip it.

It is sad but is a fact now a days. Not just in Islam, but in other religions as well. I really do not believe there is a religion out there that tells you to harm people of other religions or not be nice to your neighbors, etc. If basic moral are the same, ten why can't we get along. I pray to my God while you pray to yours. If you have a question about my religion or vice versa, we can be civil and discuss instead of fighting.

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Really nice video Bev. I really like it. I agree, we are all the same and if we go by some of the most common religions, we all came from Adam. That makes us cousins at the very least :-)

Thanks for the video.

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In my old job I worked with mainly Muslims and one of them said to me 'If you had a daughter, you wouldnt let her marry a Jew'

God I was so horrified at that question - a true test of religion is accepting that your son/daughter is free to fall in love with whoever they choose and you should be happy for them - providing their partner loves and cares for them.

One of my husbands friends many years ago said that I shouldnt be allowed to eat pork and I should 'dress modestly'.

My husband was furious with this guy for saying that.

But as with all religions, you get people that make out that they are tolerant of others but the true test is when two different faiths come together or one person in the relationship doesnt convert and the biggest test is when they have children.

My friend is married to a Muslim - (not practising) and when they got married they discussed children as my friend did not want any of her children to be Muslim. He married her on that basis and was seemingly so Westernised.

She would never have had children with him had she known he was planning to send his child to Islamic classes. She has refused saying that he has gone back on his word.

She has a very strong Christian faith and goes to church while he doesnt practise at all. But she agreed that their child would not be brought up with either religion as both parents varied so strongly in their faith.

He wont even meet her halfway about the kid learning about both religions, he wants it all one way - his way.

He moved the goalposts and has gone back on his word and goodness knows where it will end.

If my husband and I had a baby, it would not be Muslim and it wouldnt be Catholic either - I had religion forced on me as a child and I wouldn't do it to one of mine.

My husbands sister was quite shocked when I said that a child of mine would not be Muslim/Christian/Catholic.

It just seems that when a woman marries a Muslim man, it is expected that not only should she convert but any children that they may have must be muslim.

We have been married 17 years and despite the intolerance of other Muslims, I have not converted and have no interest in doing so.

I like to be able to drink, to wear what I like and if I had a child - for them to marry whoever they like regardless of their faith - and that includes Jewish.

It is a small minority of Muslims that make it bad for the decent muslims in life trying to get on with their religion and the only way to end this antagonistic extremist behaviour is to learn some respect and the fact that Islam is a personal choice and not a universal enforced one.

But I do honestly question how deep the tolerance does go and how liberal the religion really is - having seen it with my friend being promised one thing and having it taken away at a later date.

I take people as I find them and as soon as the prejudice/dictation starts then I move on.

We should accept each other and our culture and never force religion on anyone because that is when the problem starts.

Live and let live.

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You say that the Koran says to kill non-muslims. Well your Bible tells you to kill non-Christians. A call to God to destroy persons of other faiths:
Psalms 79:6: "Pour out thy wrath upon the heathen that have not known thee, and upon the kingdoms that have not called upon thy name."

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The Bible doesn't tell anyone to do anything, it is a collection of stories written by many different scholars. The New Testament was written by different scholars who lived around the time of Jesus and describe his life and times.

The Koran is purported to be the word of Allah himself and a blueprint for living. These rules were supposedly given to the Prophet Mohammed. The nearest thing in the Bible to this is the 10 commandments (probably where Mohammed copied the idea from).