Mordko

Weird. Easy to check that his claim is completely false. Is he pandering to anti-vaxxers? Why would Trudeau spread such blatant misinformation?

https://ca.finance.yahoo.com/news/ju...150154266.html

scrubbedexpat142

Given this, his comments are not surprising -

BristolUK

Perhaps you don't look at look at the right media sources but warnings of a third wave have been reported all over the UK media.

scrubbedexpat142

And the article does refer to Peter Bone (of all people!) and the Daily Mail!

Mordko

Is Independent more to your liking? They seem to think Trudeau’s claims are bizarre. I concur. But they are worse. He is lying about a friendly state to try and justify himself.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/h...-b1832003.html

Siouxie

He said it during a Parliamentary debate 2 or 3 days ago... you can search online for the details - all debates are listed in detail if you care to look..

BristolUK

I said reports about a third wave were to be found in the UK media. This is a report about what Trudeau said.
I'm just pointing out he said what has been reported in the UK media an example was given earlier.

Here's the times. - Easing lockdown rules ‘likely to cause Covid third wave’
ITV news - Covid: UK at 'significant risk' of third wave this summer, top scientist warns
Yorkshire Live - Dr Hilary issues warning over third wave on Good Morning Britain
Mirror - Third Covid wave in UK could see another 50,000 die despite vaccines, scientist warns

There's a nice variety for you. Different media sources and all different reports of what different people have been saying.

So Trudeau's just saying what's been reported in t he UK media about a UK issue.

Move along, nothing to see here.

Mordko

This isn’t complicated:

1. Trudeau is criticized on vaccine rollout.
2. His response is that it does not matter, you still have to maintain protective measures and the country could still face a threat of another wave.
3. He picks on Britain as a proof.

I am thinking the nonsensical and counterfactual attempt to deflect should be obvious. Regardless of potential threats, Britain’s rollout has been efficient and it helped. His deflection is BS. Targeting a friendly government is unhelpful; unless we need more enemies right now. Its also harmful for a leader to give messages that vaccinations don’t matter, given the spread of the anti-vaxxers in Canada.

Nu?

BristolUK

Your link shows Trudeau said
Yes, currently it's accepted that the virus can still pass to the vaccinated and from the vaccinated. It's also believed that vaccines will need to be adjusted for variants, which are also passing more quickly.
I'm not a Trudeau fan but I'm struggling to see the lie.
It's all been said by plenty of people in the know and it's all been reported.

Where I agree with you is that this is not complicated and that's probably why so many without an axe to grind agree.

Mordko

We are not going anywhere. If its not obvious that saying “Britain vaccinated but look, it faces risks” isn’t appropriate when you are asked about vaccine rollout problems in Canada, when we are under a lockdown and desperately short of nurses then I won’t be able to explain.

BristolUK

We agree again.
A man repeats what has been reported all over the UK media as having been said by numerous experts and you incorrectly describe it as lying.

At least now you've challenged on it you have moved from saying he's lying to saying something you think is inappropriate.

Mordko

Yes, we also agree that the British newspapers which used to sing praises to Trudeau all of a sudden have “an axe to grind”. Makes total sense.

Mordko

And to be clear, Trudeau lied about a very serious issue when he said “UK is facing a third wave”. There is a hypothetical risk, yes. Not the same thing.

What he said was a blatant lie as well as a ludicrous attempt to deflect when asked why the vaccine rollout in Canada has been poor.

Lying about other countries is very much trumpian style. We are supposed to be better. Thankfully the Brits laughed it off.

scrubbedexpat142

How can it be a lie in the face of this?

Trudeau may, hopefully, have exaggerated slightly but to describe his comments as a "blatant lie" is, well, a blatant lie.

Mordko

Perhaps its a language issue. When I read “UK faces third wave” and look at numbers, I see a blatant lie.

When I read “Canada faces third wave”, I see fact. Trudeau may have confused UK and Canada. Its nonsensical to respond “UK” when you are asked about vaccination rollout in Canada. So not a lie. Geographic misunderstanding. Can happen to anyone.

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