scrubbedexpat142

When you face something, it's usually in front of you.

Meanwhile -

Mordko

Did you complain to the Times? https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/c...wave-g5cbkxjbj

Trudeau himself seems to think “Canada faces third wave”. https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/16/ameri...ave/index.html

BristolUK

That's interesting you mention the Times. You might recall that when you started this nonsense I posted a link to a Times report about that third wave that you call a lie. There have been several reports about the UK facing a third wave also in the Times.

Have you complained to them?

Mordko

Lets cut the sophistry and demagoguery, please. Here is what actually happened:

1. Canada screwed up vaccine rollout. Our numbers are now much worse than in Britain and the healthcare system isn’t coping. The economy has been shut down yet again.

2. UK made lots of mistakes early on but got the vaccine rollout right. Their Covid numbers are down, the economy has reopened, people are getting haircuts and are going to the pubs.

3. Anything can happen. New variants could develop. Britain might yet screw up the second set of jabs. Meanwhile vaccination has been proven to be a massive success, if rolled out efficiently. Israel has opened up, after a huge wave. The numbers are right down. Britain is next.

4. When asked about Canadian rollout problems, Canadian Prime Minister in Canada said “Britain vaccinated but is facing a third wave”.

Yes, its a lie. Or spin/demagoguery/deflection if you prefer.

scrubbedexpat142

Better idea, forget the semantics.

BristolUK

But it's not what he said is it. You are paraphrasing for your anti-Trudeau agenda. As I said earlier and quoted from your link, what Trudeau said was
and
Neither of those two statements is a lie and saying the UK could still face a third wave is repeating what very many UK experts have been saying in very many UK media sources.

DaveLovesDee

You mean, 'here's my spin on what happened'...

I'm going to try and keep this simple.

The Canada vaccine rollout isn't great, the UK's rollout is better. There are reasons for that.

1a. There are multiple vaccine production sites in the UK.
1b. The UK is geographically smaller than Canada, and consider that the UK would fit inside Ontario 4 times.
1c. The UK has much better transport links.
1d. The UK is more densely populated than most of Canada.

It's not surprising there are issue with getting Canadians vaccinated, and it's not all down to the Canadian government.

You're suffering from a common misperception.

England has reopened pubs, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland haven't. Each of those set their own lockdown dates, restrictions and reopening schedule because health is a devolved matter. When the UK government issues statements regarding lockdowns, they are actually only speaking for England, which should be made clearer by those reporting it.

Israel also had a big lockdown to bring the numbers down. But they're also lagging behind in vaccinating anyone who isn't Israeli. There is a large Arab population in Israel who are apparently facing difficulty in getting vaccinated.

And the UK government is currently facing a choice as to whether to keep up the rate of 1st vaccinations and delay 2nd vaccinations past the recommended 12-week maximum between shots, or to delay the 1st vaccinations for those down the list in favour of keeping to the 2nd dose schedule for priority groups. They can't do both.

I believe Trudeau was trying to make the point that even countries with high vaccination rates still have to be careful.

I'm not sure what it is, but as someone living in the UK, at high risk of hospitalisation if I catch Covid, and working in retail, I make myself very aware of the facts and the potential for an future wave.

BristolUK

One month on...same warnings being expressed

Johnson ‘must think again on plans to relax Covid rules’ Top adviser warns of India variant impact as scientists urge delay in lockdown changes
India variant could lead to serious third wave of Covid in UK
I think the OP owes Mr T an apology.

Mordko

This is completely and utterly false. Certain groups of Israelis, including Arabs and ultra orthodox Jews were more reluctant than others to vaccinate. Israeli government encouraged them to vaccinate by various means of “incentivization” (bribes and the green pass system).

Mordko

“I think the OP owes Mr T an apology.”

Not at all. Trudeau lied about effectiveness of vaccination in Britain to cover up his own failures. Risks exist for sure but British vaccination has been tremendously successful and saying oh, it does not matter that we lag because it does not change anything when asked a question about his own country = lie.

DaveLovesDee

I did say apparently, according to the sources I was reading at the time.

Now, how about letting the Palestinians get the vaccines Israel won't be using..

BristolUK

I see you are wriggling again. Your thread title speaks for itself. Your first post included an article in which Trudeau said the UK faced a third wave and was still applying restrictions, which they were. It was pointed out to you that dozens of media sources and UK experts and officials were all saying the same thing and I just showed how they are still saying the same thing.

And you're still wriggling. Just apologise like an honourable person would.

Revin Kevin

Canada does seem to be catching up vaccine wise, I hear that in some provinces they are now doing 18 year olds and over.

DaveLovesDee

Unlike Matt Gaetz, allegedly...

Atlantic Xpat

Newfoundland opened the booking portal for vaccines to 12 and over today. Appointments are booking a month out at this stage but I'll take that for my 12 year old.