scilly

OK, so this is the ehaldine in the MailOnLine ............. I know, I know, but I don't think they would lie about this

Boris says the jury's out on June 21st Freedom Day as it's revealed Indian Covid mutant has now reached 40% of England's local authorities and is dominant in 23 of them. So how many cases have been recorded in your area?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/index.html

Atlantic Xpat

I saw a clip from LBC's Eddie Mair programme that they'd investigated and that 110 direct flights from India had landed in the UK since the variant got out of control in India. https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/revealed-...try-was-place/

BristolUK

Ahem Mordko
Third wave of Covid may be under way in UK, scientists say

Atlantic Xpat

Indeed:

Twitter

scilly

Macron has banned British citizens from landing in France because of the prevalence of the Indian variant of covid-19. He doesn't want it arriving in his country.

BristolUK

Following all those highly publicised accounts of the UK facing a third wave,

Third wave of Covid ‘definitely under way’ in UK, says expert

has anyone seen that apology from the OP yet?

caretaker

BristolUK

UK daily new cases now TEN TIMES what they were 6 weeks ago and Patients on ventilators up by 41% over the last week.

How's that apology going OP?

DaveLovesDee

They haven't been back here in over 5 weeks..... Ask them on the other Trudeau thread, where they posted yesterday

Mordko

Sorry I have to repeat myself, but I will try to type slower.

“Lets cut the sophistry and demagoguery, please. Here is what actually happened:

1. Canada screwed up vaccine rollout. Our numbers are now much worse than in Britain and the healthcare system isn’t coping. The economy has been shut down yet again.

2. UK made lots of mistakes early on but got the vaccine rollout right. Their Covid numbers are down, the economy has reopened, people are getting haircuts and are going to the pubs.

3. Anything can happen. New variants could develop. Britain might yet screw up the second set of jabs. Meanwhile vaccination has been proven to be a massive success, if rolled out efficiently. Israel has opened up, after a huge wave. The numbers are right down. Britain is next.

4. When asked about Canadian rollout problems, Canadian Prime Minister in Canada said “Britain vaccinated but is facing a third wave”.

Yes, its a lie. Or spin/demagoguery/deflection if you prefer.”

Nothing has changed. Yes, new variants developed (see point 3). Yes, experts have different opinions (google yourself for the ones that say “its not a third wave”.) Yes, vaccine rollout is instrumental in fighting the epidemic. Yes, the rollout was delayed/botched in Canada. No, its not ok to say “things are bad in Britain” when a Canadian PM is asked about a rollout of vaccines in Canada. The evidence is plentiful that vaccination has been very helpful in the UK and now in Canada and implying otherwise is harmful and a lie.

Hope you feel better because I did respond. Hope you find strengths to forgive me if this triggers you again. Perhaps with time. Might take a few more months or years but I am confident you can find it in yourself to forget this disagreement we had in a chatroom.

DaveLovesDee

No, it wasn't a lie. The IL was facing a third wave at that time. Now, the Third Wave is here in the UK.

And the current vaccines are not 100% effective against the new variants, so Trudeau was right to point out that vaccinations aren't the only solution, merely a part of it.

Mordko

We have to agree to disagree. To me, whenever a Canadian leader is asked about vaccine rollout in Canada bang in the middle of an epidemic in Canada, he shouldn’t be going “ah, but somewhere else they did that and face very serious third wave (which they didn’t’)”. Its pathetic.

As for the effectiveness of vaccines, they are very effective against the new variants in protecting the population, particularly if enough people have been vaccinated twice. But I am not an epidemiologist and wouldn’t want you too to sulk for months on end if someone somewhere says something else about yet another variant not yet in existence. So do forgive me for having a different opinion. Profuse apologies.

DaveLovesDee

Google search: UK Third Wave Coronavirus




Pathetic? No, that's your attempt at denying the facts, which have been shown to you a number of times previously.

2 doses are 90% effective, but not enough have had their second dose yet for a single dose to be effective against the Delta variant, which is the one hitting the UK at the moment.

BristolUK

A lie is not an opinion. You can try to spin it all you want but you began with a lie as many pointed out.

Siouxie

YAWN.

Yes, the UK faced a serious 3rd wave (and now a 4th) - so what you wrote is blatently untrue.