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Old Oct 18th 2019, 8:40 pm
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In the guardian today...
Boris Johnson has a deal. Now MPs must end the agony and vote it through

We as MPs need to come together to get Brexit done – and move on
This piece by Labour's Melanie Onn and Conservative's Victoria Prentis.

So two articles going completely against the Guardian's general editorial stance and this is something they frequently do on any political subject - and one of them jointly done by MPs from two opposing parties.

I think your view about the paper is fairly typical but completely wrong.

Can you come up with a better example of impartiality or fairness? How about that Mail front page in the Boris thread. Impartial?
The Mail is as right wing as the Guardian is left wing....thats my point....there doesnt seem to be impartiality anymore
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Old Oct 18th 2019, 8:43 pm
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Even in the Guardian there is a range of political leaning. Very few writers would not find Corbyn sufficiently left wing, in fact maybe none. C4 is reassuringly consistent in its views which I would say are "leftish." The Beeb seems to try very hard to present a neutral political view, despite being staffed by many on the left. Considering the counterweight of the Telegraph, Mail and Express, I don't think it's a problem.
I dont think you can get anymore left wing than Corbyn! Thats my point about the Guardian.... yes there are counterweights, but not really an impartial newspaper....they all carry opinions instead of just the news.
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A bit difficult now...
True, but you could still read his book..
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Old Oct 18th 2019, 8:48 pm
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True, but you could still read his book..
I'm reading Louis Theroux's. It's pretty good.
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Old Oct 18th 2019, 8:50 pm
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I dont think you can get anymore left wing than Corbyn! Thats my point about the Guardian.... yes there are counterweights, but not really an impartial newspaper....they all carry opinions instead of just the news.
They carry both. News and opinions. Depends which parts you read, but given the quality of the opeds in the Guardian, I can see why someone might just stick to those.
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Old Oct 18th 2019, 9:18 pm
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They carry both. News and opinions. Depends which parts you read, but given the quality of the opeds in the Guardian, I can see why someone might just stick to those.
of course they all carry news and opinions. Whether any one will agree with opinions in any particular paper depends on their Own world view. In recent years the Guardian does seem to have gone down the intersectional route which is a pity, the left wing views are fine though and can be worthwhile contributions to issues.
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Old Oct 18th 2019, 11:04 pm
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The Mail is as right wing as the Guardian is left wing....thats my point....there doesnt seem to be impartiality anymore
But it's not as simple as that. There is one view in the mail and one view only.

I just pointed you in the direction of two articles - one by a regular guardian columnist advocating accepting Boris' deal and another co-written by someone on the political right also arguing to accept Boris' deal, while the general guardian stance is against it.
Brexit; in or out? and they are arguing both for and against. Can you get more even handed?

Are you just not bothering to look because you're worried you'll have to change your opinion?
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Old Oct 19th 2019, 12:39 am
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I am talking about journalism not politicians..... Trump is very right wing, and is an idiot in general so is not a good representation at all. An uneducated buffoon..

The BBC have always been left wing biased.....just ask Peter Sissons he wrote a book about it!
But because Trump et al are very right wing compared with, say, Enoch Powell, the BBC looks leftist in comparison when, in fact, it's no more leftist now than it ever was. I suggest that the parade of conservative newsreaders, such as Sissons, confirms that it's not in any way part of a socialist plot.
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Hopefully this Twitter link works, gotta love Meggie Foster she is the UK equivalent of Sarah Cooper.

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Who is Sarah Cooper?
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Who is Sarah Cooper?
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Bill Morneau resigns as Minister of Finance.

CBC, might be in French.

National Post in English

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Old Aug 18th 2020, 2:12 pm
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Consequences of the many examples, past and present, of liberal Ministers demonstrating that they were entitled to their entitlements.....
Should Trudeau go too? Personally, I believe he should.

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Bill Morneau resigns as Minister of Finance.
There's something funny about a finance minister being called Bill.
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Consequences of the many examples, past and present, of liberal Ministers demonstrating that they were entitled to their entitlements.....
Should Trudeau go too? Personally, I believe he should.

Trudeau inherited his position, a bit like the Queen, and I can see why people might not care for that. However, the leader of the opposition embezzled funds to support his children's participation in a cult and still has his job. A Conservative government would be more corrupt, not less, than a Liberal one, so it's not obvious how that would be better.

In any event, financial corruption is an accepted feature of government in Canada, Chretien, Mulrooney, Harper, all had their fingers in the till. We have to look at their record on other matters in order to choose between them.
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