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Old May 14th 2015 | 9:27 am
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Originally Posted by ExKiwilass
The employer has the right to control which employees him/her/it employs.

if she truly felt "harrassed". Nice minimization of the issue there Shard.
It's not even an issue in my opinion. A hard nosed reporter taking offence at some drunken louts. I can't believe how many links there are to it on the Toronto Sun. Everyone trying to compete on how offended they can be. Very Canadian.
 
Old May 14th 2015 | 9:40 am
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It's not even an issue in my opinion. A hard nosed reporter taking offence at some drunken louts. I can't believe how many links there are to it on the Toronto Sun. Everyone trying to compete on how offended they can be. Very Canadian.
What isn't an issue? Do you think it's not an issue for a man to interrupt a live broadcast to make obscene and sexist remarks about the reporter? Do you consider it "not an issue" that the guy's friends were standing waiting, out of camera shot, to titter at the clever rudeness of it all? Do you think it's not an issue for those friends to try laugh off the obscene interruption when the journalist points out how offensive it is? Do you think it's not an issue that female news reporters get this phrase shouted at them on a regular basis, every time they try to do their job? Do you think it's a non-issue that women risk having coarse, obscene or offensive comments lobbed at them every time they go out in public?

Exactly what part of the behaviour of any of the men in this sorry saga is acceptable to you? Why is it somehow "very Canadian" for people to be offended by something really pretty offensive? Is nobody in the UK offended by this? If it's such a non-issue, and oh so Canadian, why did the BBC think to include it in the "trending" section of its website? If you're surprised that everyone else seems to be on the same side of the argument, have you paused to consider the fact that your position might, in fact, be unsupportable?
 
Old May 14th 2015 | 9:47 am
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Originally Posted by Shard
It's not even an issue in my opinion. A hard nosed reporter taking offence at some drunken louts. I can't believe how many links there are to it on the Toronto Sun. Everyone trying to compete on how offended they can be. Very Canadian.
Maybe the drunks should try shouting at a male reporter? Maybe something about their plans for anal rape? Nah. Not offensive, threatening at all.
 
Old May 14th 2015 | 9:48 am
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What isn't an issue? Do you think it's not an issue for a man to interrupt a live broadcast to make obscene and sexist remarks about the reporter? Do you consider it "not an issue" that the guy's friends were standing waiting, out of camera shot, to titter at the clever rudeness of it all? Do you think it's not an issue for those friends to try laugh off the obscene interruption when the journalist points out how offensive it is? Do you think it's not an issue that female news reporters get this phrase shouted at them on a regular basis, every time they try to do their job? Do you think it's a non-issue that women risk having coarse, obscene or offensive comments lobbed at them every time they go out in public?

Exactly what part of the behaviour of any of the men in this sorry saga is acceptable to you? Why is it somehow "very Canadian" for people to be offended by something really pretty offensive? Is nobody in the UK offended by this? If it's such a non-issue, and oh so Canadian, why did the BBC think to include it in the "trending" section of its website? If you're surprised that everyone else seems to be on the same side of the argument, have you paused to consider the fact that your position might, in fact, be unsupportable?

No I don't think it's an issue. Storm in a teacup. The BBC is currently reporting on thousands of refugees in the Mediteranean and in the Indian issue in dire need. That's an issue. Grab a sense of perspective and proportion.
 
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He was, to put it as politely as I can, way out of effing order. Serious lack of judgement? Yup. Drunk? Yup? Freedom of speech? Yup.

Deal with the consequences. Post #16 still says it best.
 
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Originally Posted by Shard
No I don't think it's an issue. Storm in a teacup. The BBC is currently reporting on thousands of refugees in the Mediteranean and in the Indian issue in dire need. That's an issue. Grab a sense of perspective and proportion.
one of these things does not match the other...
one of these things is not quite the same....
 
Old May 14th 2015 | 11:07 am
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Now it's trial by judge, Calgary police have laid a charge against a motorist who heckled a female reporter on the Red Mile. Good!
Edit: He was a passenger, not the driver and he can pay the fine without contesting the charge to avoid court.

Last edited by caretaker; May 14th 2015 at 12:22 pm. Reason: This article's details vary from the CTV story I originally attempted to link to.
 
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Originally Posted by Shard
No I don't think it's an issue. Storm in a teacup. The BBC is currently reporting on thousands of refugees in the Mediteranean and in the Indian issue in dire need. That's an issue. Grab a sense of perspective and proportion.
That's a bit feeble isn't it? Using the suffering of those people to deflect from your lack of cogent answers.
 
Old May 14th 2015 | 12:09 pm
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He should be banned from soccer games, fined maybe and put through the court system for harassment and being a total drunk jerk of the highest degree, but Does what he did really deserve for him to lose his job, be splashed all over the Internet and most likely never be able to work ever again, anywhere !! Employers can Goolgle him any time and woooooh WTF is that :::::: We're as the woman, upset as she should be will be back to work feeling very good about getting her sweet revenge.

And I actually heard today that it was not live, it was pre recorded and they chose to show it? Can anyone confirm this ?
 
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That's a bit feeble isn't it? Using the suffering of those people to deflect from your lack of cogent answers.
I wonder how much time he spent, today, debating those other issues.
 
Old May 15th 2015 | 1:00 am
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Toronto Police said Thursday it won't be laying charges in Sunday's incident.
"We met with Shauna this morning and we explained that the legal advice we got from the Crown was that charges in this case were not appropriate," Toronto Police spokesman Mark Pugash said.
 
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Originally Posted by Shard
No I don't think it's an issue. Storm in a teacup.
I agree with that, in the sense that it doesn't seem to be a story worthy of international reportage.

As I see it, a man-child decided to try and get his face on television by shouting things he knew to be offensive to lots of people. He succeeded. Among the people he offended was his employer who then gave him the, metaphorical, boot. He was lucky not to get a literal boot but, otherwise, he got what he was looking for. He has his 15 minutes. If no one, including his employer, wants to have anything to do with him anymore, fair enough; he set out to give offence and he's given it.
 
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Unfortunately for him he got a little more than 15 mins of fame, he has a lifetime of shame now :@(
 
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I agree with that, in the sense that it doesn't seem to be a story worthy of international reportage.

it.
Then you are missing the point. The reporter who stood her ground and fought back instead of rushing away with her head down and cheeks burning is the point. Shauna is the point. Her, and everyone of the strong smart women, and men, arguing on here that this is not acceptable, ever.

Very few women get through their lives without this happening. Mothers, wives, sisters, daughters. No matter what they look like, what they wear, what they are doing, or where in the world they live. Everyday sexism is a major international issue.
 
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Originally Posted by dbd33
I agree with that, in the sense that it doesn't seem to be a story worthy of international reportage.

As I see it, a man-child decided to try and get his face on television by shouting things he knew to be offensive to lots of people. He succeeded. Among the people he offended was his employer who then gave him the, metaphorical, boot. He was lucky not to get a literal boot but, otherwise, he got what he was looking for. He has his 15 minutes. If no one, including his employer, wants to have anything to do with him anymore, fair enough; he set out to give offence and he's given it.
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Then you are missing the point. The reporter who stood her ground and fought back instead of rushing away with her head down and cheeks burning is the point. Shauna is the point. Her, and everyone of the strong smart women, and men, arguing on here that this is not acceptable, ever.

Very few women get through their lives without this happening. Mothers, wives, sisters, daughters. No matter what they look like, what they wear, what they are doing, or where in the world they live. Everyday sexism is a major international issue.
This. Very much this.

But the story, the reason this has been picked up by the media, is not the man-child being offensive - that happens every day, everywhere, to women in all walks of life, but isn't always caught on camera. No, the story here is about a woman actually standing her ground and calling the "supporters" out on it. She didn't confront the obscenity-spouting jerk; he had already run away to hide (gee, how big and clever of him). She took on the people who had stood, watching, waiting for him to do his piece. Then they tried, hugely unsuccessfully, to justify why this was OK, or funny, or "not an issue". The story here is about making those men, and men everywhere, realise how unpleasant and unacceptable they are being - not by hurling obscenities, but by standing by, watching, encouraging, and failing to stop other men from doing so. Much of the international media attention has focused on the reporter's response to the incident, rather than the incident itself. That is why it is news, that is why it has garnered so much attention: because a woman was driven to the point of having had enough of juvenile men abusing her for their 15 minutes of fame, and turned the tables on the jeering onlookers.

Men being abusive, in old newspaper terms, is a dog-bites-man story. The reporter calling them out on it, now that's man-bites-dog stuff.
 


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