magnumpi

There was a security guard stood right next to Mr Arsenal who did nowt Huh ? Why he not say some thing? Or was it not deemed as sexual harassment at the time ?

Shard

Well I'm with Gozit. The guys made some tasteless comments, if the woman felt sexually harassed she could report it to the police. I don't think the employer, even if it is public sector, should have that kind of control over it's employees off duty actions. As for the TV, they admit on tape it happens regularly, so they are trying to make an example of these guys ON CAMERA and on the internet. It strikes me a digital mob rule.

Oakvillian

Oh, for God's sake get a grip. Entrap? There was a guy holding a camera with "City TV" on it, a microphone, and a reporter standing there. Do you suppose the prat thought "oh, look, I can say something unpleasantly sexist and nobody will ever know?"

That has to be one of the more ridiculous posts that you've ever made.

ExKiwilass

This. This way of thinking has got to stop. Whether you realise it or not, you are right there in the "boys will be boys camp". "Oh it was just some tasteless comments..."

I suppose women should just be out of public spaces, then they woouldn't entrap sexist men into being forced to be sexist then? We're such honey traps aren't we.



I'm sick of women being targeted by this crap and I'm sick of the apologists for it. It's threatening and demeaning. t's meant to be.

ExKiwilass

"Trying to entrap some drunken lads"

Oh boys will be boys..you know what boys are like on the alcohol - sometimes they're a bit rapey, sometimes a bit sexual harrassy...but it's just tasteless silliness! SO TIRED OF THE EXCUSES. You have no idea what it's like to be a woman and no idea what how intimidating it is to deal with ****tards like that.

Oakvillian

And why on earth shouldn't they?

IT IS NOT OKAY TO SHOUT OBSCENE SEXUAL REMARKS AT WOMEN. ANYWHERE. EVER.

Which part of that is it that is unclear to you? You sound very much like you are excusing this oaf's behaviour. It is not excusable. Not by you, not by "oh, he was a bit drunk," not by "oh, he was just being one of the lads," just not.

Former Lancastrian

So let him hire a lawyer and let the legal system work its magic.
In the meantime I hope it serves as a lesson to others.
Does it really matter what I think as I'm not currently unemployed and facing the wrath of the public or having my personal life put under scrutiny.
Will it happen again absolutely but I found out early in my career that people do stupid things when a camera of any description especially TV ones are put in front of them sober or not.

ExKiwilass

Exactly. That attitude, that men get this latitude to be threatening and demeaning to women in public spaces if they're young or drunk or whatever, that attitude has to die. it must die.

magnumpi

I think what some maybe saying is yes it's very bad what he did. But he may have been too drunk to realise how bad he was to her.

IMO he was drunk yeh, but not too drunk that he can say he did not know what he was doing. He was still standing and walking unaided.

For Entrapment he would have had to have been lying on the ground covered in sick, half awake and the lady crouch down to him with the mic.

ExKiwilass

you cannot be serious.

ExKiwilass

i'm getting the feeling that some guy's job is more important to some of you than some woman's dignity.

magnumpi

The firing is not about the guys job, it's about Hydro Ones reputation. They had no choice in the matter really, that's why the thread is about "trial by media" if this was just edited out of all the news broadcasts and not gone viral on the Internet would he be still be gainfully employed?

JamesM

It's a debate I've been following in a number of formats.

The gentleman who was fired upset me, not just because of his comments about using a dildo, but because he kept referring to it being acceptable in England so she should put up with it here.

What was said and done was clearly stupid and alcohol is not an excuse for stupid behaviour.

The question is what is fitting punishment for the crime? Would a ban from all MLSE facilities and a police caution (in the works) have been enough for this person to rethink their conduct in the future?

It's easy to say he should lose his job and I'm sure Hydro One employs many females who are no doubt uncomfortable with this individual now. But what if this chap has never put a foot wrong before and has several children dependent on him?

The media attention means he will not likely work for a very very long time.

There are lots of ways a lesson can be learned but is the punishment fitting of the crime?

Do we start firing every tradesman who whistles or makes a cat call at a women?

What if a guy pays a girl a compliment?

We are in an era of transition.

Greenhill

While you're eagerly anticipating the next chunk of flamebait, have a quick scan of this old thread:

http://britishexpats.com/forum/maple...%2450k-845909/

Shard

Nothing wrong with the reporter calling the guy out on his remarks. He was wrong to make them. However, then using media power to publically shame him, especially in the context (drunk fans leaving a football match) seems vindictive. If she truly felt 'harassed' go to the police. There is legislation to deal with such behaviour.

However, the main point is that the employer should not have the right to control what a minor employee says or does in his time off. He has freedom to speak, no matter how trashy his words are. If he crosses a boundary there are laws to answer to.