Trial by media
May 14th 2015 | 3:49 am
#16
Concierge
Joined: Jun 2011
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From: Oakville, ON, CA
Re: Trial by media
Ditto to what Oakvillian said, HydroOne was absolutely right to fire him. His actions show that he has piss-poor judgement, and they are well within their right to say that they have no interest in employing someone who cannot demonstrate that they can make intelligent decisions.
This XKCD sums it up nicely:
(xkcd: Free Speech)
This XKCD sums it up nicely:
(xkcd: Free Speech)
May 14th 2015 | 3:55 am
#17
Magnificently Withering
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 6,908
From: Oakville, ON
Re: Trial by media
Regarding Mr Arsenal, (who was out of order of course) BUT, was the female reporter out of order too going over to, and interviewing an obviously drunk group of guys.? Is there no rules for media not to exspose a drunken guy to the public, the consequences have snow balled for him now. He will have to get lawyered up for this one I guess.
May 14th 2015 | 3:57 am
#18
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Re: Trial by media
Yes, Hydro One was right to fire him.
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It all fundamentally comes down to people's misunderstanding of the principles of free speech: sure, you're quite at liberty to make dumbass comments, or even this sort of sexual harassment dressed up as some sort of lame "hey look at me" photobombing thing. But others are equally free to take a dim view of your behaviour and to take action against you as a result. Freedom of speech protects you against criminal proceedings as a result of what you say, but does not allow you to be completely free of the consequences of your words or actions.
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It all fundamentally comes down to people's misunderstanding of the principles of free speech: sure, you're quite at liberty to make dumbass comments, or even this sort of sexual harassment dressed up as some sort of lame "hey look at me" photobombing thing. But others are equally free to take a dim view of your behaviour and to take action against you as a result. Freedom of speech protects you against criminal proceedings as a result of what you say, but does not allow you to be completely free of the consequences of your words or actions.
just noticed that snooks beat me to it !!!
xkcd: Free Speech
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May 14th 2015 | 4:01 am
#19
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Nuther day in paradise.ca
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From: Ajax, Ontario
Re: Trial by media
Why would the reporter possibly have been out of order? Was she offensive? Did she offer an aggressive sexual suggestion to the drunk man? It's not even like she filmed him secretly, or anything. I mean, she was standing there holding a microphone and with a cameraman right behind her. How could anybody have a reasonable expectation, at that point, not to be filmed? Come to that, if the camera hadn't been there, the whole incident may not have taken place, since the whole point of this stupid meme is to have yourself broadcast live on air being offensively sexist towards a woman doing her job in a public place.
Anyone know what happened to the guy who actually shouted the obscenity in the first place, the guy in the shades. He be hiding I bet
May 14th 2015 | 4:13 am
#21
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Re: Trial by media
IMO it happened whilst he was not at work, not being paid by the company, not at a company event. Canadian law and law enforcement should trump "company policy", especially when the "violation" of said policy occurred when the employee was not at work. Not saying what the bloke did was right, but it wasn't right for the company to take action either. That's the police/law enforcement's job if there were laws broken.
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May 14th 2015 | 4:18 am
#22
slanderer of the innocent
Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 6,695
From: Vancouver, BC
Re: Trial by media
Yes, Hydro One was right to fire him.
This goes beyond doing something stupid on social media. It was live on air. It doesn't matter how drunk the guy was - if he thinks it is appropriate behaviour, in any circumstances, to say that sort of thing to (or about) a woman, then perhaps the reality-check of being fired will do him an ounce of good. Why on earth would anybody think it's acceptable to say that to any woman, ever - let alone somebody in the middle of a live TV broadcast. It would be easy to dismiss as puerile, if it weren't so deeply offensive.
This goes beyond doing something stupid on social media. It was live on air. It doesn't matter how drunk the guy was - if he thinks it is appropriate behaviour, in any circumstances, to say that sort of thing to (or about) a woman, then perhaps the reality-check of being fired will do him an ounce of good. Why on earth would anybody think it's acceptable to say that to any woman, ever - let alone somebody in the middle of a live TV broadcast. It would be easy to dismiss as puerile, if it weren't so deeply offensive.
I'm freaking tired of the 'boys will be boys' excuse - ie. well he was drunk, well freedom of speech, well <insert name of lame excuse here>. Though Mag's claim that the reporter should have stayed away cos they may have been drunk takes the cake for victim blaming.
Good job, Hydro One! *claps*
As for the other twat, has he been named yet?
ps. In Canada you can pretty much fire anyone for anything, such is the law, as long as you pay severance etc. YOu've all been warned, twat-bros.
It was sexual harrassment and it's not ok.
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May 14th 2015 | 4:21 am
#23
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Nuther day in paradise.ca
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From: Ajax, Ontario
Re: Trial by media
Lol, the whole trend of shouting "Eff her in the C****" on live TV started in the UK 
Q: Can an employee be fired for an out-of-work action?
“Certainly, an employer can fire an employee whether they’re unionized or non-unionized for off-duty conduct if it reaches a certain threshold.â€
HL: “The law is very similar for union members and non-union members in this area. If you do something which damages your employers brand, do something as outrageous as he did and it gets into the media so it is potentially embarrassing to your employer, it’s cause for discharge.â€
Q: Can an employee be fired for an out-of-work action?
“Certainly, an employer can fire an employee whether they’re unionized or non-unionized for off-duty conduct if it reaches a certain threshold.â€
HL: “The law is very similar for union members and non-union members in this area. If you do something which damages your employers brand, do something as outrageous as he did and it gets into the media so it is potentially embarrassing to your employer, it’s cause for discharge.â€
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May 14th 2015 | 4:29 am
#24
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From: On top of the Green hill, NS
May 14th 2015 | 4:30 am
#25
Dive Bar Drunk
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 8,671
From: Toronto
Re: Trial by media
Canada is over run with gang bangers and types like this.
This should be pinned in the immigration section.
For two reasons:
1/ People know that Canadian's are anti-social. sexist and can't hold their booze.
2/ When the honest hard working immigrant can't find a decent paying job to feed his family he can see the type of worthless frat boy bro on over $100k who is keeping him out of work with his "Canadian Experience".
This should be pinned in the immigration section.
For two reasons:
1/ People know that Canadian's are anti-social. sexist and can't hold their booze.
2/ When the honest hard working immigrant can't find a decent paying job to feed his family he can see the type of worthless frat boy bro on over $100k who is keeping him out of work with his "Canadian Experience".
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May 14th 2015 | 4:32 am
#26
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From: UK
Re: Trial by media
IMO it happened whilst he was not at work, not being paid by the company, not at a company event. Canadian law and law enforcement should trump "company policy", especially when the "violation" of said policy occurred when the employee was not at work. Not saying what the bloke did was right, but it wasn't right for the company to take action either. That's the police/law enforcement's job if there were laws broken.
If the TV company is doing a live feed they should take responsibility for what is broadcast, not try to entrap some drunken lads.
May 14th 2015 | 4:33 am
#27
Dive Bar Drunk
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 8,671
From: Toronto
Re: Trial by media
Lol, the whole trend of shouting "Eff her in the C****" on live TV started in the UK
Q: Can an employee be fired for an out-of-work action?
“Certainly, an employer can fire an employee whether they’re unionized or non-unionized for off-duty conduct if it reaches a certain threshold.â€
HL: “The law is very similar for union members and non-union members in this area. If you do something which damages your employers brand, do something as outrageous as he did and it gets into the media so it is potentially embarrassing to your employer, it’s cause for discharge.â€
Q: Can an employee be fired for an out-of-work action?
“Certainly, an employer can fire an employee whether they’re unionized or non-unionized for off-duty conduct if it reaches a certain threshold.â€
HL: “The law is very similar for union members and non-union members in this area. If you do something which damages your employers brand, do something as outrageous as he did and it gets into the media so it is potentially embarrassing to your employer, it’s cause for discharge.â€
About FHRITP | **** HER RIGHT IN THE PUSSY
May 14th 2015 | 4:36 am
#28
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Nuther day in paradise.ca
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From: Ajax, Ontario
Re: Trial by media
Stunt it was, how must that make the instigator feel if he knew that ?
And James we posted same time oh my Lol
May 14th 2015 | 4:40 am
#29
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From: On top of the Green hill, NS
Re: Trial by media
So it looks like it was a stunt arranged by a T-shirt salesman, to sell T-shirts.
You can purchase a T-shirt via one of the links, above.
You are correct sir, http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/****-h...e-pussy-fhritp
May 14th 2015 | 4:43 am
#30
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Re: Trial by media
seriously?
I suppose it's the TV networks fault for employing a female reporter to do a live broadcast , I mean they must have known that this was likely to happen right......?
I'm 100% with Kiwi on this.
The only "entrapment" was some asshole guy thinking it's ok to sexually harass women with this kind of behaviour.
I wish this was just a Canadian thing but it is becoming more and more widespread.
