This was mentioned a lot in the guardian debate.

I know England didn't do much to be happy about but the Euros were only last year. They won their group, only knocked out on penalties by finalists Italy, finished 5th.

Whereas Holland lost all their games and came bottom of their group.

Wayne Rooney? Hodgson would be better off picking Mickey Rooney.

2-1 with 15 mins to go. Gripping stuff...........

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/foo...egro-live.html

Good. Had some wobbly moments there.

Yes. So much for Dave's youf policy.

I still believe that England have very little chance of winning the World Cup, so should blood the youngsters in a competition no-one would expect them to do well in.

As long as Arsenal's players came out of the international break without injury problems, I'm happy.

No-one believes that England have a chance of winning the World Cup, not next year or 4,8,12,16 years later. Get over it.

Looks like Ozil had to leave after 10 mins with knee injury.

Get over what?

I severely doubt ANY of the home national teams will ever make it to a World Cup Semi-Final, let alone win it, either as they are or as a UK team. Ever. But many of the current crop aren't even first choice for their clubs.

I'm not speaking as an England fan, as I'm not, I'm speaking as someone who believes we need to build for the future.

He left with less than 10 mins of the game remaining, after playing 82 mins.

We're waiting to see what the Arsenal physio says when he arrives back in London this morning.

i believe England do have a chance but it will be at least 10 years away...England have woken up to the fact they need to invest in their youngsters, facilities and coaches like the Germans, Spanish, Dutch etc did 10-15 years ago..i think they opened a $200m facility of excellence in the midlands about a year ago..specifically to develop English players/youngsters and all the national teams..prove will be how the U17, U20s and U21s improve over the next 5 years.

So who is it then............

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/foo...nkey-joke.html

The Scottish Sun. Why the Scottish one?

There is one member of the squad who plays his club football in Scotland.

But does it have to be a player?
Perhaps the room was bugged.

They're already saying this is goal of the season:

I assume the FA have hired a naturalization lawyer?

Very good