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Re: Thatcher dies
Originally Posted by mdizzle
(Post 10646505)
Riiiight. Presumably never been to Scotland, Wales or any other traditionally industrial part of the UK? You'll have to trust me on this one - she's largely disliked.
Whilst having the courage of your convictions is an admirable quality, it does help somewhat for these convictions to be reasonable. You can't help but be affected by her policies. It didn't jsut stop when she elft office: The neo-liberal fantasies she put in place are still with us. The de-industrialsed regions and broken communities, the centralising of all growth on the city of London and the squandering of the north sea reserves to cover that growth. All these things occured on her watch, and were enabled by later governments. She helped define a social and economic epoch that we are still living through. I was, along with many others affected by the policies of the govt. of the day. They sent us down south into harms way. Quite a few did not come back, I think that is about as extreme an impact the govt. could have and it continues to this day. |
Re: Thatcher dies
Originally Posted by ArthurBrit
(Post 10647745)
Have no idea. I just read it on their website.
"She will be given a full military funeral that has the same status as a state funeral, but it's not a state funeral." |
Re: Thatcher dies
Originally Posted by luvmeboys
(Post 10646815)
Personally, I greatly admire Mrs Thatcher. She was, after all voted in 3 times! she broke the back of unionisation and she was ballsy enough to fight for the Falklands! I know it depends on which side of the fence you sit but she did her job well (apart from the poll tax!) RIP Mrs T xx
She was the right person at the right time. |
Re: Thatcher dies
Originally Posted by Aviator
(Post 10647902)
I do not share your view on the impact of her economic policies, nor have or do many others I feel sure. She took on a broken country from labour and rebuilt it.
I was, along with many others affected by the policies of the govt. of the day. They sent us down south into harms way. Quite a few did not come back, I think that is about as extreme an impact the govt. could have and it continues to this day. However, this is a woman who was friends with Pinochet and Suharto, supported the Khmer Rouge, opposed the ANC and supported the racist Apartheid regime, presided over the introduction of the homophobic Section 28 and hated feminism. That's enough reason for me to dislike her, to be honest. But yeah, I'm just trolling. :blink: edited to add: nonetheless it's extremely petty and distasteful to hold street parties celebrating her death. That's pathetic. |
Re: Thatcher dies
Remarkable the level of anti-Tatcherism on this thread. As has been pointed out she was elected in three times.
What was alternative to the coal mines and the miners strike? Britain would be on par with Portugal if it had stayed on the socialist track. She was heavy handed with the Falklands, but on British domestic policy she kept Britain modern. |
Re: Thatcher dies
Originally Posted by MikeUK
(Post 10647269)
But no new regulations were put in place, no changes to senior management, just a share issue and non profitable funded by the government, none existent profits supposedly returned to the government organisztion/industry, became profitable and dividends were paid to both the new share holders, whilst the top management now got share options.
The same people were running the show.. before and after.. no change at the working level It was only when they could rake off some profit for themselves that these industries made a profit |
Re: Thatcher dies
Originally Posted by ArthurBrit
(Post 10647736)
You are both right.
She will be given a full military funeral that has the same status as a state funeral, but it's not a state funeral. In 200 years our descendants will review the 20th century for influential British Prime Ministers and there will only be two names: Winston Churchill and Margaret Thatcher. The former saved us from Nazi tyranny and the latter saved the British economy. |
Re: Thatcher dies
Originally Posted by MarkG
(Post 10646894)
In 1979, Britain's future prospect was a rapid transition to third-world status, and she delayed that for a couple of decades. You know your country is in trouble when even Idi Amin is offering to send you aid.
I strongly suspect her election was largely down to the Boomers realising that if they continued down the path their parents had chosen, they'd soon be living in a colder, wetter Zimbabwe. By the time the British people decided to 'vote the bastards out' in 1997, the economy was in a better state than it had been for decades. "Socialist governments traditionally do make a financial mess. They always run out of other people's money. It's quite a characteristic of them." - Feb. 5, 1976, Margaret Thatcher It is unfortunate that Conservative policies, both in the UK and Canada typically lag behind in terms of social progress, despite being good at economic management. It's hard to argue that Canada right now the Conservative gov't is doing a very good job of managing the economy, but we are lagging with social/public policies, such as liquor in supermarkets, legalizing marijuana, high speed rail etc. |
Re: Thatcher dies
Originally Posted by Alan2005
(Post 10647151)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...v=x-4FJcnX0i8#! |
Re: Thatcher dies
She made made decisions sometimes unpopular ones, in unenviable situations. I wonder how many ridiculing her now would have the courage to make such decisions and stand by their convictions. Many I think would be too wimpy to stand up and be counted and cave in to trying to be popular regardless of the consequences for the country.
I think in BC the liberal govt. are a prime example of flip flopping to try and remain popular, rather than doing the right thing for the province. |
Re: Thatcher dies
Who pays for the funeral? Is it 'time to pay up for Mumsie"? as Mark said, allegedly.
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Re: Thatcher dies
Originally Posted by mdizzle
(Post 10646966)
Also RIP to all those who lost their lives on the Belgrano.
'Our mission in the south wasn't just to cruise around on patrol but to attack,' says Bonzo in a previously unseen interview. 'When they gave us the authorisation to use our weapons, if necessary, we knew we had to be prepared to attack, as well as be attacked. Our people were completely trained. I would even say we were anxious to pull the trigger.' http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2003/may/25/uk.world |
Re: Thatcher dies
Originally Posted by Danny B
(Post 10648010)
She will not have a state funeral but will be accorded the same status as Princess Diana and the Queen Mother.
In 200 years our descendants will review the 20th century for influential British Prime Ministers and there will only be two names: Winston Churchill and Margaret Thatcher. The former saved us from Nazi tyranny and the latter saved the British economy. She had more balls than any MP or PM Britain has had since, she had the courage of her convictions , unlike the wet lettuce idiots we've had since. |
Re: Thatcher dies
Originally Posted by jimf
(Post 10648114)
Yes but if they'd been successful on their mission there would have been many more British lives lost.
'Our mission in the south wasn't just to cruise around on patrol but to attack,' says Bonzo in a previously unseen interview. 'When they gave us the authorisation to use our weapons, if necessary, we knew we had to be prepared to attack, as well as be attacked. Our people were completely trained. I would even say we were anxious to pull the trigger.' http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2003/may/25/uk.world |
Re: Thatcher dies
Originally Posted by macadian
(Post 10648893)
Indeed....people with a political or idealogical axe to grind tend to be somewhat selective when it comes to historical fact as this thread would tend to indicate...:sneaky:
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