Originally Posted by JamesM

There is also a website called Google

It gives you lots of different places to read stuff.

Often rather than asking questions on a forum you can do self research.

Originally Posted by Stinkypup

But.... I am a little puzzled here. You all seemed to round on NeilG concerning his initial post like a pack of hounds but, you didn't enquire where he gleaned what he saw- you just assumed that it was from some sort of - in your opinion unverified source. Was this fair??? I'm not so sure. Maybe you should have asked him so that you could reply if indeed you disagreed with the source.
I'm all for a bit of sarcasm, it is part of the British way of speech and humourand I use it from time to time but you are all perhaps overusing it a touch maybe.

Originally Posted by Stinkypup

But.... I am a little puzzled here. You all seemed to round on NeilG concerning his initial post like a pack of hounds but, you didn't enquire where he gleaned what he saw- you just assumed that it was from some sort of - in your opinion unverified source. Was this fair??? I'm not so sure. Maybe you should have asked him so that you could reply if indeed you disagreed with the source.
I'm all for a bit of sarcasm, it is part of the British way of speech and humourand I use it from time to time but you are all perhaps overusing it a touch maybe.

Originally Posted by Stinkypup

But.... I am a little puzzled here. You all seemed to round on NeilG concerning his initial post like a pack of hounds but, you didn't enquire where he gleaned what he saw- you just assumed that it was from some sort of - in your opinion unverified source. Was this fair??? I'm not so sure. Maybe you should have asked him so that you could reply if indeed you disagreed with the source.
I'm all for a bit of sarcasm, it is part of the British way of speech and humourand I use it from time to time but you are all perhaps overusing it a touch maybe.

Originally Posted by MikeUK

Unfortunately how else to get people to the places that can support them ?

The whole refugee support programs rely on people getting identified on arrival, and them being moved to places that have organized a reception program and have the financial ability to do something when they get there
Allowing mob rule mean everybody ends up chasing after one destination without coordination and without proper support and as we’ve found out that one destination maxes out quickly, but the bulk is now in transits and there no space waiting for them now! Not only does that creates false hope, but those living on the transit routes have to support a wave of marching immigrants but without resources, and resentment grows
Ask Serbia if it wants the surplus that Hungary has drawn the line too… what happens down the line when Serbia puts up a fence because it can’t afford any more, how long before ill will between Serbia and Croatia creates a new barrier to contend with
The big picture is that a lot of people are heading to Europe, what they don’t want to hear is that either immigrant or refugee is its Europe’s Choice how to deal with them, and they can chose to be selfish or take a moral high ground
Those that stop at the point of entry and follow the refugee process have international law to protect an guide how there dealt with, those that chose to walk on and become economic migrants put themselves at the mercy of local and regional governments

Originally Posted by JamesM

If a person doesn't want a response they don't have to post:

This is a definition of forum:
a place, meeting, or medium where ideas and views on a particular issue can be exchanged.

Given the sensitivity of the subject you will probably find strong views also. The Maple Leaf is generally reserved for banter or stuff like this.

It's happened before.

Shard and I once head butted each other to death over a thread. Then we just moved on to the next thread and every thing was hunky dory again. Sometimes views align and sometimes they don't. We are not deciding the future of the world although we like to think we are.

Originally Posted by Tirytory

Because it deserved rounding on... what part are you trying to defend exactly?

Originally Posted by neilg14

I've been watching a lot of news reports from the Hungarian border.
What I'd like to know is where are all the women, children & elderly refugees because what I see is about 90% of them are young men under 30. Couldn't they have stayed home and fought for their country ?
Good job the British didn't do this in WW1 & 2.

Originally Posted by Tirytory

What an awful thing to say... you clearly have no idea what's actually going on in Syria.

Originally Posted by Tirytory

Or newspapers. In fact there is so much journalism around about the crisis that the Syrians face it's hard to believe that anyone could not know what's going on...

Originally Posted by Tirytory

I'm kind of the same as James. I'm an information junkie and apart from the Daily Mail which is clearly tosh then I read everything and then apply a dose of critical thinking to it. But with Syria and it's five year history it's easy to read unbiased information and pictures of the surrounding areas as well as personal accounts if you want to that is. People often appear to happy to take things at face value or headlines without much delving into it.

Originally Posted by Shard

My view is that we in Europe have mismanaged this so badly that we should let the current wave go to where they want, and urgently build and create refugee infrastructure to tackle the longer term migrations.

Originally Posted by Shard

Closing the borders in Eastern Europe is a powder keg. .

Originally Posted by Stinkypup

This perhaps typifies your modus operandi- you are taking it in turns to reply in frequently an unpleasant manner- it reminds me of school ground bullying.

No-one asked his source, you just laid into him for stated reason, "to gain karma" - hardly in the spirit of the forum I would have thought. He was using an analogy, maybe some may say not that relevant but did it merit a torrent of sarcastic comments???

And it doesn't seem that any of you responded to my question- you didn't ask about source of his information, presumably from TV or internet but you didn't know, you just went for him.

Originally Posted by JamesM

Of the popular culture news sites this provides an accurate breakdown in a chart of what one should consider when consuming its news:

Here Are The Most- And Least-Trusted News Outlets In America - Business Insider

These news sources (less popular) focus on trying to stay neutral and unbiased by focusing on fact:

A Quest for Truth: A List of the Top 8 Unbiased News Sources | Debate.org Blog

That failing the tea leafs.

Originally Posted by Tirytory

I'm kind of the same as James. I'm an information junkie and apart from the Daily Mail which is clearly tosh then I read everything and then apply a dose of critical thinking to it. But with Syria and it's five year history it's easy to read unbiased information and pictures of the surrounding areas as well as personal accounts if you want to that is. People often appear to happy to take things at face value or headlines without much delving into it.

Originally Posted by Tirytory

Err what source was required? He expressed an opinion about the young men saying they were akin to cowards and how glad he was that didn't happen in WWII.. What source was I meant to ask him about?

Ok Neilg G would you care to back up your original assertion that they are cowards with a source?