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Old Sep 15th 2015 | 4:33 am
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Originally Posted by not2old
As you will have seen or heard in the media today the local mayor of Toronto announced that the city will not be making a bid for the 2024 Olympics...
Yes I heard that on the radio and immediately thought "well that opens the door for Moncton then."

Joint bid with Montreal? The two Mons.
 
Old Sep 15th 2015 | 5:01 am
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Originally Posted by BristolUK
Yes I heard that on the radio and immediately thought "well that opens the door for Moncton then."

Joint bid with Montreal? The two Mons.
on top of that Mayor has been informed that the local transit system (TTC) has a $95 million budget shortfall.

Decisions, decisions - money to transit or refugee settlement in the GTA of Toronto, Ontario.

Answer is both

More tax & increase the transit fares
 
Old Sep 15th 2015 | 5:32 am
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Originally Posted by not2old

More tax & increase the transit fares
I am in complete agreement that the transit fare system needs an over haul.

I've been paying $3 a single journey since I arrived in 2010. No raises what so ever.

It is tremendous value but you are never going to build a sustainable transit system that way.

Back on thread there are almost 3,000 complete and vacant condo's in Toronto. The city is ready.

I will point out that if they do let a surge of refugees/people in then the rising value of already ridiculously price condo's will continue. This would be a mild irritant to a Bear Market person like myself.

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Hmm... interesting quote....

the Bavarian minister of interior, Joachim Herrmann, told the Bayerischer Rundfunk. "We need better controls in general, because we found out in the recent days that many of those who are travelling are not real refugees."

the reality is that it seems that most are not refugees, but economic migrants

an huge difference when the movement is on this scale


FWIW will probably try to call colleagues in Slovakia and Hungary to get an inside opinion tomorrow
 
Old Sep 15th 2015 | 10:33 am
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Back on thread there are almost 3,000 complete and vacant condo's in Toronto. The city is ready.

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Why don't we give these to the homeless, and unemployed people now. Or will that not get any votes ?
 
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Originally Posted by MikeUK
[i]the Bavarian minister of interior, Joachim Herrmann
I couldn't resist looking him up. It's a bit like quoting Nigel Farage as evidence of something.
 
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Why don't we give these to the homeless, and unemployed people now. Or will that not get any votes ?
The mindset in Canada and the US is, they are homeless or unemployed because they want to be, so why help them?
 
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Why don't we give these to the homeless, and unemployed people now. Or will that not get any votes ?
No idea but I do agree with your sentiment.

It's funny we hear about the refugee situation during the election but not much about the homeless.

I did see an article recently that in 2014 the government launched a new $700 million scheme to try and combat homelessness. This additional funding is spread till 2019.

30,000 people sleep homeless every night.
 
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source CTV Toronto

Thirty refugees from Syria touched down at Toronto Pearson International Airport Tuesday morning, putting more than 9,000 kilometres between them and the violence in their homeland.

When the refugees emerged from the main gates, they were kissed on their cheeks and wrapped in the arms of their sponsors, some of whom were family and friends.

The 30 new arrivals to Canada this morning are a small fraction of the four million refugees who have fled Syria since the outbreak of the civil war in that country.

The Conservative government has promised to bring in 10,000 refugees to Canada over the next three years.
 
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Originally Posted by JamesM
No idea but I do agree with your sentiment.

It's funny we hear about the refugee situation during the election but not much about the homeless.

I did see an article recently that in 2014 the government launched a new $700 million scheme to try and combat homelessness. This additional funding is spread till 2019.

30,000 people sleep homeless every night.
Can't forget about those on social housing lists which can be decades long in some area's. These low income folks may not be homeless but we have people paying 100% of their income in some city's just for rent.
 
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Can't forget about those on social housing lists which can be decades long in some area's. These low income folks may not be homeless but we have people paying 100% of their income in some city's just for rent.
This is what creates disent with the natives the give the refugees everything and free cheese and the rest can just continue to wait or live in poverty, as they say "charity should start at home"

The post above says some refugees arrived and hugged their sponsors. Huh! I can't sponsor my older son? Or any family to come here but they have a rule says it's ok for refugees ? Great ! being in a safe place in Europe not good enough ehh.
 
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...give the refugees everything...and the rest can just continue to wait...
I suspect this is as much ignorant nonsense as it is in the UK.

People have long had it in their heads that any kind of immigrant in the UK got given a council house ahead of everyone else and a grant to buy a telly for it.

And of course, there's always someone who "knows for a fact" that someone's sister told the brother of someone they know that their auntie lived next door to one of them.
 
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Originally Posted by BristolUK
I suspect this is as much ignorant nonsense as it is in the UK.

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I think those questioning the support of refugees don't actually understand the difference between a refugee and an immigrant. Similar misunderstandings on overseas aid and aid to refugees. Essentially, they are overlooking the fact that in refugee cases, there is a strong possibility of death/torture.

That is why despite some abject poverty in Canada and Britain, there is still a moral case, as fellow humans, to support foreign victims (refugees) even though we have people with needs here. The level of danger is completely different.

For example an abused homeless person in Canada can go to the police or authorities or a charity. Refugees (people every background) can go nowhere in their homeland, hence they leave.
 
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Originally Posted by Shard
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I think those questioning the support of refugees don't actually understand the difference between a refugee and an immigrant. Similar misunderstandings on overseas aid and aid to refugees. Essentially, they are overlooking the fact that in refugee cases, there is a strong possibility of death/torture.

That is why despite some abject poverty in Canada and Britain, there is still a moral case, as fellow humans, to support foreign victims (refugees) even though we have people with needs here. The level of danger is completely different.

For example an abused homeless person in Canada can go to the police or authorities or a charity. Refugees (people every background) can go nowhere in their homeland, hence they leave.




I think some people don't want to grasp the difference. It's much easier to justify not wanting to help then.
 
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Originally Posted by Shard
I think those questioning the support of refugees don't actually understand the difference between a refugee and an immigrant.
I expect someone will be along shortly to claim they're not 'proper' refugees because they have cell phones.
 


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