St George's flag, denied!!!
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I don't think you are making shit up. I think it more likely that you are selectively choosing to believe what you want to believe when you read it in the papers. Things like "st georges flag banned in pubs" when that isn't actually the case. Did you believe the 'christmas banned' stories as well?
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Why do people complain about being swamped by alien culture and then eat Indian/Italian/French/Spanish/Greek/Turkish/American food, drink beer/wine/liqueurs/coke? Why not stay at home drink mead and eat boiled beef?
It's just a way of making yourself feel good by justifying your prejudices.
If anyone really wanted to remove outside influences from British society then they would stop watching TV and movies, and stop shopping in multinational stores too.
Instead of complaining about being swamped people could do things to preserve English customs. Maybe learn country dancing, Morris dancing. What about folk singing? Hold a May Fair, dance round a maypole. Make corn dollies??
I'm curious, exactly what aspects of English life are being eroded, and what Englishness is swamping Scotland?
It's just a way of making yourself feel good by justifying your prejudices.
If anyone really wanted to remove outside influences from British society then they would stop watching TV and movies, and stop shopping in multinational stores too.
Instead of complaining about being swamped people could do things to preserve English customs. Maybe learn country dancing, Morris dancing. What about folk singing? Hold a May Fair, dance round a maypole. Make corn dollies??
I'm curious, exactly what aspects of English life are being eroded, and what Englishness is swamping Scotland?
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See, this is the kind of phrase I have trouble understanding as it lacks any kind of specificity. What do you think a person should do to 'integrate themselves'? Or is it more that you think there are things they should stop doing? If so, why?
What is it you think that immigrants to the UK (or anywhere else) are expecting it to change for them?
What is it you think that immigrants to the UK (or anywhere else) are expecting it to change for them?
I think the first thing an immigrant should do is to speak the language of the new country. By all means speak your own language in your own home, but once out in the street you need to speak the language of the country.
Learning how 'the natives' do things and not attempting to push our way; is another I think is important. "Getting things done" was how one friend of mine (who is an immigrant to Scotland) described his tenure on a local committee; it was described in quite a different way by the locals!
I think some people, most certainly not all, expect that they should pick up their old life in new surrounding. It is a joke, I am sure, but the stories of the Brits buying home in the South of Spain and then turning the local area into an extension of the UK would be an example; albeit far fetched.
Really, I would say that sensitivity to the people and ways of your new country is very important. Being considerate and aware that you are a guest in their home. Gradually they will want to know about our ways and may even be interested enough to eat Wiltshire Bacon, but to be accepted and to become integrated into THEIR society requires, I believe, humility and sensitivity.
Does that answer any of your questions?
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How may British settlers in Australia learn Aboriginal language and culture?
OK Jenny Agutter went Walkabout.
OK Jenny Agutter went Walkabout.
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The only mention of St. George's Flag in the minutes of the Rotherham Municipal Council is a motion to fly it at the Rotherham Visitors Centre on St. George's Day 2009.
http://www.rotherham.gov.uk/site/cus...eorge%27s+Flag
Perhaps you wanted to believe it?
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Need? Is that 'need' as in it will make your life easier or 'need' as in to integrate? If the former then I would agree, the latter I would not due to the implied judgement in that statement. There is no 'need' to integrate - people are free to do what they like.
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These are interesting questions.
I think the first thing an immigrant should do is to speak the language of the new country. By all means speak your own language in your own home, but once out in the street you need to speak the language of the country.
Learning how 'the natives' do things and not attempting to push our way; is another I think is important. "Getting things done" was how one friend of mine (who is an immigrant to Scotland) described his tenure on a local committee; it was described in quite a different way by the locals!
I think some people, most certainly not all, expect that they should pick up their old life in new surrounding. It is a joke, I am sure, but the stories of the Brits buying home in the South of Spain and then turning the local area into an extension of the UK would be an example; albeit far fetched.
Really, I would say that sensitivity to the people and ways of your new country is very important. Being considerate and aware that you are a guest in their home. Gradually they will want to know about our ways and may even be interested enough to eat Wiltshire Bacon, but to be accepted and to become integrated into THEIR society requires, I believe, humility and sensitivity.
Does that answer any of your questions?
I think the first thing an immigrant should do is to speak the language of the new country. By all means speak your own language in your own home, but once out in the street you need to speak the language of the country.
Learning how 'the natives' do things and not attempting to push our way; is another I think is important. "Getting things done" was how one friend of mine (who is an immigrant to Scotland) described his tenure on a local committee; it was described in quite a different way by the locals!
I think some people, most certainly not all, expect that they should pick up their old life in new surrounding. It is a joke, I am sure, but the stories of the Brits buying home in the South of Spain and then turning the local area into an extension of the UK would be an example; albeit far fetched.
Really, I would say that sensitivity to the people and ways of your new country is very important. Being considerate and aware that you are a guest in their home. Gradually they will want to know about our ways and may even be interested enough to eat Wiltshire Bacon, but to be accepted and to become integrated into THEIR society requires, I believe, humility and sensitivity.
Does that answer any of your questions?
This is pretty much the exact opposite of what I think immigration should be.
It should be about welcoming new cultures and accepting the differences. The irony is is that most people in the UK are actually quite good at this, it's just the tabloids that seem to stir things up.
I can guarantee that during the World Cup there will be flags of many nations flown in Vancouver without the "locals" complaining that the immigrants aren't fitting in.
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And of course it goes without saying, in the GTA as well. There'll Italian, Portugese, Greek, Brazilian, Ecudorian, South African, an embarrassed St. George's Cross or two and several Maple Leafs flown by confused cradles who think it must be about hockey.
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These are interesting questions.
I think the first thing an immigrant should do is to speak the language of the new country. By all means speak your own language in your own home, but once out in the street you need to speak the language of the country.
Learning how 'the natives' do things and not attempting to push our way; is another I think is important. "Getting things done" was how one friend of mine (who is an immigrant to Scotland) described his tenure on a local committee; it was described in quite a different way by the locals!
I think some people, most certainly not all, expect that they should pick up their old life in new surrounding. It is a joke, I am sure, but the stories of the Brits buying home in the South of Spain and then turning the local area into an extension of the UK would be an example; albeit far fetched.
Really, I would say that sensitivity to the people and ways of your new country is very important. Being considerate and aware that you are a guest in their home. Gradually they will want to know about our ways and may even be interested enough to eat Wiltshire Bacon, but to be accepted and to become integrated into THEIR society requires, I believe, humility and sensitivity.
Does that answer any of your questions?
I think the first thing an immigrant should do is to speak the language of the new country. By all means speak your own language in your own home, but once out in the street you need to speak the language of the country.
Learning how 'the natives' do things and not attempting to push our way; is another I think is important. "Getting things done" was how one friend of mine (who is an immigrant to Scotland) described his tenure on a local committee; it was described in quite a different way by the locals!
I think some people, most certainly not all, expect that they should pick up their old life in new surrounding. It is a joke, I am sure, but the stories of the Brits buying home in the South of Spain and then turning the local area into an extension of the UK would be an example; albeit far fetched.
Really, I would say that sensitivity to the people and ways of your new country is very important. Being considerate and aware that you are a guest in their home. Gradually they will want to know about our ways and may even be interested enough to eat Wiltshire Bacon, but to be accepted and to become integrated into THEIR society requires, I believe, humility and sensitivity.
Does that answer any of your questions?
Immigrants aren't guests, tourists are.




