Soldier beheaded broad daylight _Woolwich!
#121
While employed as a drummer, this would have been a secondary roll for him while he was with the 2nd Battalion.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_Woolwich_attack
The Regimental Creed of the RRF....
I am a Fusilier, trained and ready to deploy.
I will defend my country's freedoms with respect and integrity.
I will always maintain my arms, my equipment and myself.
I will place the mission and the team first.
I will never accept defeat nor let down my mates or my Regiment
I will always be one of England's finest, a Fusilier.
Folks who enlist as military musicians though can expect to deploy and do. Some will see front line service usually working with medics as stretcher bearers or in other support roles: http://www.army.mod.uk/music/29721.aspx
#124
Do you know how many innocent Afghans have been killed by the Taliban or Iraqis by equally screwed-up insurgents this week alone? Neither do I, but I think we'd all agree it probably more than 1.
You spew as much bollocks as the EDL. I have spent almost 2 years in Afghanistan...you know nothing.
You spew as much bollocks as the EDL. I have spent almost 2 years in Afghanistan...you know nothing.
I know that as recently as yesterday, Presidet Obama said that we must "try" to stop killing civilians.
I know that hundreds of people have been held without charge in Guantanamo for a decade or so; one of them, a Brit, is even acknowledged to be innocent of wrongdoing, but the US & the UK will not release him to the UK purely they are terrified that he would use his freedom to describe his ordeal. So they keep him locked up.
These are all reasons why disenfranchised young men are angry and easy prey for radicals. And while the West continues it's boisterous awaydays, more and more angry young men will be drawn to the extremist cause.
But hey, you've been there, and with your well-rounded life experience and that open mind of yours, you're the Expert.
#125
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I would also hazard a guess that the operational aims of our forces differ slightly from those of the Russian occupation of the 80's!
#126
How do you explain the reason that these Islamic nutters (or as you would put it, miss understood young heros) go round killing their own people, women and children incl, with suicide bombs at markets and such like in Afganistan and Iraq?
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He was a machine gunner, according to the posts from his unit left on the Torygraph website yesterday.
#128
Yes, thanks for that and airbornesappers's explanation too. I'm not that clued up on military roles. When it happens on home-turf it certainly magnifies the tragedy of war.
#130
They blow each other up because they are completely ****ed up. As would you be if foreign armies had been occupying your country for decades. Since 1980 in the case of Afghanistan. If you'd seen your cousins, schoolmates, colleagues shot, blown up, brutalised, marginalised by anyone and everyone - these people are seriously damaged, thanks to us. Who put the Taliban in power? Not one of the west's brighter ideas, was it?
#131
Unfortunately, armed conflict isn't that clinical or devoid of innocent casualties.
I do like the argument used above that goes, essentially something like this: If another does something that I believe is unjust, they shouldn't blame me if I then retaliate. I appreciate that that is paraphrasing, but the gist of it is true. Of course, the "horrors" performed by "westerners" in the recent past, were usually a result of "horrors" committed against them; and so the circle continues
Is there a difference between innocents killed by, for example, drones when the drones are attempting to kill "enemies" that choose to hide among civilians to ensure their deaths provide their cause with an opportunity for propoganda, and the innocents killed because a suicide bomber decides to denotate their IEDs among a crowd of people? I believe that there is; I appreciate others don't.
#132
I'm not for one moment saying these people are misunderstood young heroes - they're misguided murderers, no more, no less.
They blow each other up because they are completely ****ed up. As would you be if foreign armies had been occupying your country for decades. Since 1980 in the case of Afghanistan. If you'd seen your cousins, schoolmates, colleagues shot, blown up, brutalised, marginalised by anyone and everyone - these people are seriously damaged, thanks to us. Who put the Taliban in power? Not one of the west's brighter ideas, was it?
They blow each other up because they are completely ****ed up. As would you be if foreign armies had been occupying your country for decades. Since 1980 in the case of Afghanistan. If you'd seen your cousins, schoolmates, colleagues shot, blown up, brutalised, marginalised by anyone and everyone - these people are seriously damaged, thanks to us. Who put the Taliban in power? Not one of the west's brighter ideas, was it?
#133
Is there a difference between innocents killed by, for example, drones when the drones are attempting to kill "enemies" that choose to hide among civilians to ensure their deaths provide their cause with an opportunity for propoganda, and the innocents killed because a suicide bomber decides to denotate their IEDs among a crowd of people? I believe that there is; I appreciate others don't.



