Soldier beheaded broad daylight _Woolwich!
May 24th 2013, 9:07 pm
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Re: Soldier beheaded broad daylight _Woolwich!
British Army version...
"Why are we in Afghanistan? ... because it became a source of terrorism.
The Taliban gave safe haven to Al Qaeda, which allowed terrorists to plan and carry out attacks around the world. That is why the United Nations authorised a NATO/ISAF-led military intervention. Getting rid of the Taliban regime and Al Qaeda was only the first part of the job. The second is to make sure they cannot return."
http://www.army.mod.uk/operations-de...nts/22713.aspx
"Why are we in Afghanistan? ... because it became a source of terrorism.
The Taliban gave safe haven to Al Qaeda, which allowed terrorists to plan and carry out attacks around the world. That is why the United Nations authorised a NATO/ISAF-led military intervention. Getting rid of the Taliban regime and Al Qaeda was only the first part of the job. The second is to make sure they cannot return."
http://www.army.mod.uk/operations-de...nts/22713.aspx
May 24th 2013, 9:40 pm
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Re: Soldier beheaded broad daylight _Woolwich!
I'm sure we can all at least all agree that running some one over and then trying to hack his head off with a machete in the streets, is very wrong, even if he did say he did it in the name of his God.
If a British Soldier had done the same to any one walking to the market, in the streets of Bagdad, I'm sure he would get a strong telling off by his commanding officer and a court martial.
The law will deal with these guys after the UK health service saves their lives.
If a British Soldier had done the same to any one walking to the market, in the streets of Bagdad, I'm sure he would get a strong telling off by his commanding officer and a court martial.
The law will deal with these guys after the UK health service saves their lives.
May 24th 2013, 9:44 pm
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Re: Soldier beheaded broad daylight _Woolwich!
I'm sure we can all at least all agree that running some one over and then trying to hack his head off with a machete in the streets, is very wrong, even if he did say he did it in the name of his God.
If a British Soldier had done the same to any one walking to the market, in the streets of Bagdad, I'm sure he would get a strong telling off by his commanding officer and a court martial.
The law will deal with these guys after the UK health service saves their lives.
If a British Soldier had done the same to any one walking to the market, in the streets of Bagdad, I'm sure he would get a strong telling off by his commanding officer and a court martial.
The law will deal with these guys after the UK health service saves their lives.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22650053
May 24th 2013, 9:53 pm
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Re: Soldier beheaded broad daylight _Woolwich!
It's double indemnity though, his family had already gone through the fear of his tour and now they lose him like this. Why are the killers in hospital and not the morgue? In Canada and the US the protocol for police attacked by people with knives or guns is pretty clear. Are the armed police in England proficient and well practiced shots?
May 24th 2013, 9:54 pm
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Re: Soldier beheaded broad daylight _Woolwich!
I'm sure we can all at least all agree that running some one over and then trying to hack his head off with a machete in the streets, is very wrong, even if he did say he did it in the name of his God.
If a British Soldier had done the same to any one walking to the market, in the streets of Bagdad, I'm sure he would get a strong telling off by his commanding officer and a court martial.
The law will deal with these guys after the UK health service saves their lives.
If a British Soldier had done the same to any one walking to the market, in the streets of Bagdad, I'm sure he would get a strong telling off by his commanding officer and a court martial.
The law will deal with these guys after the UK health service saves their lives.
May 24th 2013, 9:55 pm
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Re: Soldier beheaded broad daylight _Woolwich!
He should be deported immediately. I read in that link that the Army are looking at going back to wearing uniform off barracks.
In Canada the Armed forces wear their uniform and they are respected nation wide.
http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22646999
May 24th 2013, 10:24 pm
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Re: Soldier beheaded broad daylight _Woolwich!
This chap doesn't appear to think it very wrong...http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22650053
The Guardian reported yesterday
The incidents came despite prompt and unequivocal condemnation of the murder by leaders of Muslim groups, including the Muslim Council of Britain, the Ramadhan Foundation and the Islamic Society of Britain, as well as individual Muslims, a number of whom took to social networks to express their disgust.
"We can't allow the voices of [the British National party leader] Nick Griffin and the far right to become louder than ours in the coming days," Julie Siddiqi, of the Islamic Society of Britain, told Radio 4's Today programme. "All of the Muslim organisations have come out with the strongest possible terms to say there is absolutely no excuse whatsoever, no justification for anything like this."
"We can't allow the voices of [the British National party leader] Nick Griffin and the far right to become louder than ours in the coming days," Julie Siddiqi, of the Islamic Society of Britain, told Radio 4's Today programme. "All of the Muslim organisations have come out with the strongest possible terms to say there is absolutely no excuse whatsoever, no justification for anything like this."
Unfortunately, this was in the latter part of a report headed
Attacks on Muslims spike after Woolwich killing
and a sub heading
Police deploy extra patrols to Islamic sites as people report verbal, physical and online abuse, including threats to kill
It would be better for the condemnation to have been made its own report.
Something similar there today, too, with the condemning within reports seemingly about other aspects of the incident.
Nearly 100 British imams have signed a letter condemning the Woolwich attack.
How was it in other media? Anything more explicit?
May 24th 2013, 10:27 pm
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Re: Soldier beheaded broad daylight _Woolwich!
I know that we (the West) occasionally drop missiles on schools and wedding parties. Tough luck, eh, Mohamed?
I know that as recently as yesterday, Presidet Obama said that we must "try" to stop killing civilians.
I know that hundreds of people have been held without charge in Guantanamo for a decade or so; one of them, a Brit, is even acknowledged to be innocent of wrongdoing, but the US & the UK will not release him to the UK purely they are terrified that he would use his freedom to describe his ordeal. So they keep him locked up.
These are all reasons why disenfranchised young men are angry and easy prey for radicals. And while the West continues it's boisterous awaydays, more and more angry young men will be drawn to the extremist cause.
But hey, you've been there, and with your well-rounded life experience and that open mind of yours, you're the Expert.
I know that as recently as yesterday, Presidet Obama said that we must "try" to stop killing civilians.
I know that hundreds of people have been held without charge in Guantanamo for a decade or so; one of them, a Brit, is even acknowledged to be innocent of wrongdoing, but the US & the UK will not release him to the UK purely they are terrified that he would use his freedom to describe his ordeal. So they keep him locked up.
These are all reasons why disenfranchised young men are angry and easy prey for radicals. And while the West continues it's boisterous awaydays, more and more angry young men will be drawn to the extremist cause.
But hey, you've been there, and with your well-rounded life experience and that open mind of yours, you're the Expert.
May 24th 2013, 10:36 pm
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Re: Soldier beheaded broad daylight _Woolwich!
He should be deported immediately. I read in that link that the Army are looking at going back to wearing uniform off barracks.
In Canada the Armed forces wear their uniform and they are respected nation wide.
http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22646999
In Canada the Armed forces wear their uniform and they are respected nation wide.
http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22646999
May 24th 2013, 10:45 pm
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May 24th 2013, 10:55 pm
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Re: Soldier beheaded broad daylight _Woolwich!
Removed from the country or removed from existence, I doubt too many people would object to either option.
May 24th 2013, 11:57 pm
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Re: Soldier beheaded broad daylight _Woolwich!
As you mention in previous threads, the idea of countries having "boisterous awaydays"and causing collateral damage to the civilian population in other peoples countries could be seen as a trigger to extremist actions. Does Germany's tour of Europe, Africa and the Near East not spring to mind or the Warsaw Pact forces of the 50's, 60's, 70's and early 80's.
How many tens of thousands of the population would have been held without trial or indeed dissapeared if these countries had been succesful in there agressive aspirations.
Yep, thank goodness for this and previous generations of men and women who serve there country.
To be honest I can't believe I am having to explain it to you. Do you know nothing of recent/modern history!
But hey, you haven't been there. Doesn't make you the expert either!
How many tens of thousands of the population would have been held without trial or indeed dissapeared if these countries had been succesful in there agressive aspirations.
Yep, thank goodness for this and previous generations of men and women who serve there country.
To be honest I can't believe I am having to explain it to you. Do you know nothing of recent/modern history!
But hey, you haven't been there. Doesn't make you the expert either!
May 25th 2013, 2:37 am
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Re: Soldier beheaded broad daylight _Woolwich!
....job done indeed! Bloody well done! May they spend the rest of their oxygen thieving lives in purgatory, compliments of HM Governement! Unfortunately, it's illegal to kill them (once tried and convicted)...no possibility of a miscarriage of justice on this one....Just sayin y'know....
May 25th 2013, 4:13 am
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Re: Soldier beheaded broad daylight _Woolwich!
What about treason? Didn't that used to be an offence, once?