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Old Dec 7th 2009 | 6:53 am
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Originally Posted by Atlantic Xpat
1) Out of curiosity, please cite reference for mandatory ESP on new vehicles.

2) $50 multiplied by x thousand vehicles = savings worth having. No surprise that car manufacturers would do that at all!
http://www.canadiandriver.com/2009/0...ty-control.htm

Its the cost benefit analysis compared to getting sued for $Billionn I guess that swung it. Kind of the same reason many manufacturers abandoned "optional" side curtain airbags...If its a good thing for safety you had better include everyone or else be sued for negligance for not fitting it as standard across the board.
 
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So not made mandatory then, but, the Fed propose to make it mandatory from 2011. I wonder whether that will fly, most vehicles being engineered for the US requirements rather than Canadian ones.
 
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Dunno, what age and model Saturn is it?
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No, but if you buy a new one it will as they have been made mandatory recently for all new vehicles.

Given that its something like a $50 addition to the existing ABS componentry its very cheap of the manufacturers to have not included it as standard in the past, but that car makers for you.
It's just a 2002 Saturn SL, it doesn't even have ABS.

I want to sell it next year for something less close to the ground. No, not a plane. I've just driven back from Pbro and it was rather slippy on highway 7 just east of the city. Strangely all drivers were going slowly and keeping their distance. First of the season things, will change.

When is the OP coming, there's a storm on it's way for Wed/thurs.

Guess which days I am working this week?
 
Old Dec 7th 2009 | 6:56 am
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So not made mandatory then, but, the Fed propose to make it mandatory from 2011. I wonder whether that will fly, most vehicles being engineered for the US requirements rather than Canadian ones.
Its to be made mandatory in the US, Its been made mandatory in Europe, It makes no sense to put up a fight in Canada.

I think I read somewhere else that its a done deal anyway, but that one from March was the easiest article to find.... I know Civics now come with ESP as standard and it was not an option when I got mine in 2008...
 
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Its to be made mandatory in the US, Its been made mandatory in Europe, It makes no sense to put up a fight in Canada.

I think I read somewhere else that its a done deal anyway, but that one from March was the easiest article to find....
If the US does it then Canada will. No question.
 
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When is the OP coming, there's a storm on it's way for Wed/thurs.

Guess which days I am working this week?
Oh, you're doomed.....

http://www.accuweather.com/mt-news-b...fall_map_1.asp
 
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I feel doomed. Those are some cold realfeel temps..
 
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Originally Posted by Atlantic Xpat
There is a band of rain following along behind it though so it should all melt (at least the stuff in the southern but of Ontario) soon after it arrives.

Sloppy, but apparently not permanent.

Still, Id better find my shovels, they are in the basement somewhere
 
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Originally Posted by iaink
There is a band of rain following along behind it though so it should all melt (at least the stuff in the southern but of Ontario) soon after it arrives.

Sloppy, but apparently not permanent.

Still, Id better find my shovels, they are in the basement somewhere
That sounds more the potential for an ice storm to me.
 
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Originally Posted by Atlantic Xpat
So not made mandatory then, but, the Fed propose to make it mandatory from 2011. I wonder whether that will fly, most vehicles being engineered for the US requirements rather than Canadian ones.
Anti-skid technology to be mandatory in 2011
Transport Canada to require system on all light vehicles
 
Old Dec 7th 2009 | 7:13 am
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Originally Posted by Steve_P
That sounds more the potential for an ice storm to me.
EC forecasts a high of 8°C, so not cold enough.
 
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Originally Posted by iaink
Anti-skid technology to be mandatory in 2011
Transport Canada to require system on all light vehicles
Got all that fancy stuff in my car, just wish you could turn off the traction control sometimes.
 
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Originally Posted by iaink
EC forecasts a high of 8°C, so not cold enough.
I hope they're right.
 
Old Dec 7th 2009 | 7:20 am
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Originally Posted by Steve_P
Got all that fancy stuff in my car, just wish you could turn off the traction control sometimes.
Is there a fuse you can pull under the hood?

It would be nice if there was always some driver control over these "enhancements" because although good most of the time, traction control and ABS are not necessarily the best performance aids in certain canadian conditions.
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I hope they're right.
Me too, nothing's worse than freezing rain as far as I am concerned.
 
Old Dec 7th 2009 | 7:21 am
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Originally Posted by iaink
There is a band of rain following along behind it though so it should all melt (at least the stuff in the southern but of Ontario) soon after it arrives.

Sloppy, but apparently not permanent.

Still, Id better find my shovels, they are in the basement somewhere
Sloppy and slippy. All that slush, but better than ice and rain.
 


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