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Re: Rob Ford Again
Allegedly Rob hasn't hd a drink for almost 3 weeks and not smoked crack since last year. He is a good friend of Jim Flaherty and a couple of weeks ago Flaherty was visibly distressed when asked about Ford in an interview which was a tipping point for Ford.
What Torontonians need to ask is did Ford do the job he promised to do. Has he saved the city money and got rid of some of the things he said he would. Love him or hate him some TO residents think he has done a goo job as opposed to David Miller and Mel Lastman and they voted for him. Sure his actions have brought the media spotlight on Toronto in a less than ideal way and the residents can now say they are the centre of the Universe. Actions aside is he a good Mayor? |
Re: Rob Ford Again
Originally Posted by Former Lancastrian
(Post 10997457)
Allegedly Rob hasn't hd a drink for almost 3 weeks and not smoked crack since last year. He is a good friend of Jim Flaherty and a couple of weeks ago Flaherty was visibly distressed when asked about Ford in an interview which was a tipping point for Ford.
What Torontonians need to ask is did Ford do the job he promised to do. Has he saved the city money and got rid of some of the things he said he would. Love him or hate him some TO residents think he has done a goo job as opposed to David Miller and Mel Lastman and they voted for him. Sure his actions have brought the media spotlight on Toronto in a less than ideal way and the residents can now say they are the centre of the Universe. Actions aside is he a good Mayor? But when i think of the scandal-plagued Montreal and Laval administrations and what this bloody mess has cost our area of the world, plus we have an ongoing anti-corruption investigation, plus the nightmare in the senate in nearby Ottawa, I truly can't help having some sympathy for Ford. Who knows what his legacy will be? There is no hint of personal dishonesty and that is a refreshing change for any politician. Indeed he seems to have saved taxpayers money. I can recall, at least a couple of occasions where politicians went over the line 1. Clinton and the stained dress legacy after he had gotten an up close and intensely personal encounter with Monica. 2. Nixon and the inept Watergate break in and the even more stupid cover up attempt. Thinking back, at my ripe old age on past events, both these guys were vilified way back then, but in my view over time their reputations were not really tarnished |
Re: Rob Ford Again
Originally Posted by montreal mike
(Post 10997486)
I no sweet bugger all about his guy
But when i think of the scandal-plagued Montreal and Laval administrations and what this bloody mess has cost our area of the world, plus we have an ongoing anti-corruption investigation, plus the nightmare in the senate in nearby Ottawa, I truly can't help having some sympathy for Ford. Who knows what his legacy will be? There is no hint of personal dishonesty and that is a refreshing change for any politician. Indeed he seems to have saved taxpayers money. I can recall, at least a couple of occasions where politicians went over the line 1. Clinton and the stained dress legacy after he had gotten an up close and intensely personal encounter with Monica. 2. Nixon and the inept Watergate break in and the even more stupid cover up attempt. Thinking back, at my ripe old age on past events, both these guys were vilified way back then, but in my view over time their reputations were not really tarnished The councillors come over as a rather supercilious snotty nosed bunch who want business as usual. If it's necessary for someone like Ford to be around to shake things up a bit then perhaps it's worth putting up with the other stuff. |
Re: Rob Ford Again
Originally Posted by montreal mike
(Post 10997486)
I no sweet bugger all about his guy
But when i think of the scandal-plagued Montreal and Laval administrations and what this bloody mess has cost our area of the world, plus we have an ongoing anti-corruption investigation, plus the nightmare in the senate in nearby Ottawa, I truly can't help having some sympathy for Ford. Who knows what his legacy will be? There is no hint of personal dishonesty and that is a refreshing change for any politician. Indeed he seems to have saved taxpayers money. I can recall, at least a couple of occasions where politicians went over the line 1. Clinton and the stained dress legacy after he had gotten an up close and intensely personal encounter with Monica. 2. Nixon and the inept Watergate break in and the even more stupid cover up attempt. Thinking back, at my ripe old age on past events, both these guys were vilified way back then, but in my view over time their reputations were not really tarnished No hint of dishonesty? Lying about drug use, the video, drink driving. Using city time and letterheads when fund raising for his football team? Does any of that count as dishonest? Oh and an interesting thing. He has a conviction in Florida for DUI which would make him inadmissable as an immigrant but not, it seems, as mayor |
Re: Rob Ford Again
Originally Posted by bats
(Post 10997526)
Personal dishonesty, as opposed to impersonal? What's the distinction?
No hint of dishonesty? Lying about drug use, the video, drink driving. Using city time and letterheads when fund raising for his football team? Does any of that count as dishonest? Oh and an interesting thing. He has a conviction in Florida for DUI which would make him inadmissable as an immigrant but not, it seems, as mayor |
Re: Rob Ford Again
Originally Posted by bats
(Post 10997526)
Personal dishonesty, as opposed to impersonal? What's the distinction?
No hint of dishonesty? Lying about drug use, the video, drink driving. Using city time and letterheads when fund raising for his football team? Does any of that count as dishonest? Oh and an interesting thing. He has a conviction in Florida for DUI which would make him inadmissable as an immigrant but not, it seems, as mayor Not so far as we know. His lying about drugs and driving while intoxicated and other shenanighans are hardly to be excused and could be construed as being dishonest of course. His use of letterheads is a minor issue. He meant well and it was for a good cause. I look at him as what his effect has been on taxpayers. This in sharp contrast to our local scandals, Montreal and Laval, and widespread corruption in municipal govt. which has cost us here a few millions. In that respect Toronto is lucky, Ford or no Ford . Crazy as it may seem he may well win re-election next time unless something very drastic happens. |
Re: Rob Ford Again
Originally Posted by montreal mike
(Post 10997662)
I look at him as what his effect has been on taxpayers. |
Re: Rob Ford Again
Originally Posted by caretaker
(Post 10997590)
Oh it all counts, but taken individually still not murder or robbing the church poor-box. The premier of BC had a DUI on holiday in Hawaii 10 or so years ago and while embarrassing it wasn't the end of his career. Ford didn't get a DUI at home either, didn't have his license revoked, but admitted to driving after a few beers. Throwing vodka bottles in the trash from his car may mean there's more to it, but doesn't prove he drank it all at once, or while driving. His alleged association with criminal elements is the dangerous bit - you don't want the mafia or the HA getting their hooks into the mayor of the largest city in the second largest country in the world. Again, I use the recent corruption scandal in Montreal's city hall as an example. If the mayor gets bent it's all too easy for the police department to follow
I think you will be hard pushed to find a politician that hasn't done something silly whilst on vacation..be it pulling a "diva" or as mentioned DUI. Any good lawyer will fight the vodka bottles from the car allegations, unless you saw him drink out of the bottle, and then throw them out (facts and evidence not hearsay), then it won't stick. The Montreal mayor-mafia link has been going on for years, I mean the mafia has all the construction contracts in their back pockets, and you know some envelope exchange had to be going on. If you think the police department is not corrupt, then perhaps you are being dishonest to yourself. Be it the vice squad or the drug task force. I mean if Mulroney was dumbed enough to receive money in an envelope on camera to put in words for the German fella arms dealer to get citizenship, what is stopping other politicians. Oh....and then there is spouses of politicians too using their partner's connection to take bribes....remember Jaffri and his politician wife a few years ago? |
Re: Rob Ford Again
I'd forgotten about Jaffri. The emptys being chucked like that suggest he's hiding it I suppose, and iirc Montreal's had to clean out their police force several times, has Toronto? Having access to police information must be extremely attractive to criminals.
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Re: Rob Ford Again
Originally Posted by caretaker
(Post 10997924)
The emptys being chucked like that suggest he's hiding it I suppose
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Re: Rob Ford Again
Originally Posted by dbd33
(Post 10997928)
I don't think so. That's just how things are done here.
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Re: Rob Ford Again
Originally Posted by montreal mike
(Post 10997662)
The word 'personal' was redundant on my part. Point is that he did not have his hand in the till.
Not so far as we know. His lying about drugs and driving while intoxicated and other shenanighans are hardly to be excused and could be construed as being dishonest of course. His use of letterheads is a minor issue. He meant well and it was for a good cause. I look at him as what his effect has been on taxpayers. This in sharp contrast to our local scandals, Montreal and Laval, and widespread corruption in municipal govt. which has cost us here a few millions. In that respect Toronto is lucky, Ford or no Ford . Crazy as it may seem he may well win re-election next time unless something very drastic happens. |
Re: Rob Ford Again
Originally Posted by caretaker
(Post 10997924)
I'd forgotten about Jaffri. The emptys being chucked like that suggest he's hiding it I suppose, and iirc Montreal's had to clean out their police force several times, has Toronto? Having access to police information must be extremely attractive to criminals.
There is a lot of cover in the Toronto police, going back to the time of Julian Fantino, who is now in politics....cops are put on paid leave for over a year or more, only to be reinstated. Then there is Vancouver...a different can of worm |
Re: Rob Ford Again
Originally Posted by bats
(Post 10997947)
What about the violence? The 911 calls from his home, his comments re cyclists, HIV infection??
Politicians are just citizens too, that some of us happen to have voted into public office. They are not role models, just like atheletes shouldn't been seen as role models for peoples kids |
Re: Rob Ford Again
Originally Posted by ultrarunner
(Post 10997957)
This is no different to some ordinary citizens...I mean we have people on here making comments about "Asian students" attending U of T :confused:
Politicians are just citizens too, that some of us happen to have voted into public office. They are not role models, just like atheletes shouldn't been seen as role models for peoples kids We should expect better of politicians. |
Re: Rob Ford Again
Originally Posted by ultrarunner
(Post 10997957)
Politicians are just citizens too, that some of us happen to have voted into public office. They are not role models, just like atheletes shouldn't been seen as role models for peoples kids
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Re: Rob Ford Again
Originally Posted by ultrarunner
(Post 10997957)
This is no different to some ordinary citizens...I mean we have people on here making comments about "Asian students" attending U of T :confused:
Politicians are just citizens too, that some of us happen to have voted into public office. They are not role models, just like atheletes shouldn't been seen as role models for peoples kids |
Re: Rob Ford Again
Originally Posted by Shard
(Post 10998050)
Anyone in the public eye exerts some influence and as a result, the public has a right to judge whether that influence is positive or not. In Ford's case it clearly isn't. It's perfectly normal for an electorate to hold its leader(s) to a high standard, and it's the fact that Toronto had failed so miserably in this regard that has piqued the world's interest in the fat man.
Compare London's mayor to Toronto's for a moment. Boris is perceived as a buffoon, perhaps some of the time as an embarrassing fool - but he's at least in part cultivated that image of himself, and plays up to it by poking fun at himself. Ford, on the other hand, is perceived as an embarrassing fool in spite of his efforts to ensure people take him seriously. He doesn't seem to understand that he is a laughing-stock, and cannot see that he is unable to function as an effective ambassador for the city while he's such a mess. If he's such dangerous political property that the Santa Claus Parade begs him not to attend, and the Argonauts put out a statement disowning him after he wore a replica kit on TV, that's a fair indication that he has lost the authority to govern. |
Re: Rob Ford Again
Originally Posted by dbd33
(Post 10997976)
Ford is like an ordinary Canadian citizen. The people who vote for him identify with him because he looks and behaves as they do. He's the hog Mayor of Hogtown.
We should expect better of politicians. |
Re: Rob Ford Again
"Heretofore, Canada was to America what Sweden is to the rest of Europe, but commanding less respect."
Heh! http://www.theguardian.com/commentis...to-mayor-drugs |
Re: Rob Ford Again
Originally Posted by Oakvillian
(Post 10998080)
and the Argonauts put out a statement disowning him after he wore a replica kit on TV, that's a fair indication that he has lost the authority to govern.
Go Ti-Cats Go |
Re: Rob Ford Again
Originally Posted by ultrarunner
(Post 10998215)
It's a good thing they didn't make the Grey cup then, cos you know he would have gone, as the numero uno fan.
Go Ti-Cats Go |
Re: Rob Ford Again
Originally Posted by ultrarunner
(Post 10997957)
Politicians are just citizens too, that some of us happen to have voted into public office. They are not role models, just like atheletes shouldn't been seen as role models for peoples kids
Politicians actively seek the power to govern the people, to influence events and to have the authority to create or amend laws and to lead their communities based on the democratic process. As such the minimum they need to display is the moral authority that comes from actually obeying the laws that already exist, even if they wish to change them. How can you expect people to respect any laws that you introduce as a politician if you cant respect the laws that others have passed in your position of authority in the past. While atheletes dont set out to be, and perhaps should not be regarded as role models simply because they can run fast or kick a ball well, politicians set out with the express intent of being elected on the basis of being seen as someone that the public should have trust in to represent and lead them. |
Re: Rob Ford Again
It's "The Rob Ford/Chris Farley Mashup Everyone’s Been Waiting For", apparently.
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Re: Rob Ford Again
Originally Posted by Greenhill
(Post 10998308)
It's "The Rob Ford/Chris Farley Mashup Everyone’s Been Waiting For", apparently.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=EFloKq0FP9o |
Re: Rob Ford Again
This is all starting to become unseemly now. The media, especially the smug and sanctimonious American media are starting to come across as bullies picking on someone who’s obviously having some really distressing and painful issues. They’re even starting to make me feel sorry for the fat slob. :(
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Re: Rob Ford Again
pfft, I don't feel sorry for him.
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Re: Rob Ford Again
Originally Posted by ExKiwilass
(Post 10998477)
pfft, I don't feel sorry for him.
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Re: Rob Ford Again
Originally Posted by bats
(Post 10998347)
I misread that as Chris Farlowe, was hoping for Yesterday's Papers and Out of Time.
I have his 'Stormy Monday' LP, I might dig it out. |
Re: Rob Ford Again
Originally Posted by Siouxie
(Post 10998735)
That brought back memories :)
I have his 'Stormy Monday' LP, I might dig it out. http://youtube.com/watch?v=Jbpr9Ch-9nc To do what? :D |
Re: Rob Ford Again
I'm glad he isn't coming to Grey Cup, we'll have Harper here and that's quite enough. We just wrapped up Agribition so it's busy busy busy. Go Riders!
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Re: Rob Ford Again
Originally Posted by caretaker
(Post 10998770)
I'm glad he isn't coming to Grey Cup, we'll have Harper here and that's quite enough. We just wrapped up Agribition so it's busy busy busy. Go Riders!
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Re: Rob Ford Again
Originally Posted by Oink
(Post 10998808)
The world will be waiting with baited breath. :rofl:
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Re: Rob Ford Again
Originally Posted by bats
(Post 10998951)
bated
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Re: Rob Ford Again
"I'm waiting with worms on my tongue." So it's baited.
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Re: Rob Ford Again
Debatable
:D |
Re: Rob Ford Again
Originally Posted by Siouxie
(Post 10998977)
Debatable
:D |
Re: Rob Ford Again
It's official
"I'll do a drug test and an alcohol test right now," the embattled Toronto mayor said Monday night as he launched a weekly reality TV show, Ford Nation, on Canada's Sun News Network with brother Doug Ford, who is a Toronto city councilor. "I haven’t touched a drop of alcohol," Ford insisted at one point. His Canadian primetime TV debut came as councilors at Toronto City Hall earlier in the day voted to strip Ford of virtually all his political powers during a raucous debate. |
Re: Rob Ford Again
I called it! Yahoo!:rofl:
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Re: Rob Ford Again
Originally Posted by caretaker
(Post 10998962)
"I'm waiting with worms on my tongue." So it's baited.
'Hath a dog money? is it possible A cur can lend three thousand ducats?' Or Shall I bend low and in a bondman's key, With bated breath and whispering humbleness, Say this; 'Fair sir, you spit on me on Wednesday last; You spurn'd me such a day; another time You call'd me dog; and for these courtesies I'll lend you thus much moneys'? I googled |
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