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Shard Nov 8th 2013 1:19 am

Re: Rob Ford Again
 

Originally Posted by iaink (Post 10982085)
As mayor hes also "Chief Magistrate" of Torono

Im guessing the people who framed the laws never suspected that these circumstances would apply to an elected mayor, so there is no legal framework to give him the boot. We must rely on either his conscience or the electorate to see to his departure. Fat chance of the former, slim chance of the later.

How much support does he have amongst the electorate (%, roughly)? Would the majority of Torontonians like to see him go?

iaink Nov 8th 2013 1:53 am

Re: Rob Ford Again
 

Originally Posted by Shard (Post 10982094)
How much support does he have amongst the electorate (%, roughly)? Would the majority of Torontonians like to see him go?

Hes slipped slightly in the last day or three to about 38%, but thats still higher than his nearest declared rival. However 60% also think he should get some help. To put that in perspective Barack Obama has a 38% approval rating.

None of which really matters if he toughs it out until next October when the next election is scheduled. By that point much of this will have escaped the electorates short term memory, and the usual political incentives will apply (choosing between tax savings and service levels).

Shard Nov 8th 2013 2:00 am

Re: Rob Ford Again
 

Originally Posted by iaink (Post 10982147)
Hes slipped slightly in the last day or three to about 38%, but thats still higher than his nearest declared rival. However 60% also think he should get some help. To out that in perspective Barack Obama has a 38% approval rating.

None of which really matters if he toughs it out until next October when the next election is scheduled. By that point much of this will have escaped the electorates short term memory, and the usual political incentives will apply (choosing between tax savings and service levels).

There ought to be enough public pressure for him to step down. I don't have any knowledge of Toronto politics, but it seems to me that an opposing faction with backbone could organise some kind of protest to "persuade" him to resign. He is such an embarrassment to Canada, let alone Toronto.

iaink Nov 8th 2013 2:07 am

Re: Rob Ford Again
 

Originally Posted by Shard (Post 10982151)
There ought to be enough public pressure for him to step down. I don't have any knowledge of Toronto politics, but it seems to me that an opposing faction with backbone could organise some kind of protest to "persuade" him to resign. He is such an embarrassment to Canada, let alone Toronto.

Why would he cave to public pressure? He knows he doesn't legally have to stand aside, so why wouldn't he hold out until the election? He has nothing to gain and little to loose at this point, and the electorate has a woefully short memory when it comes to someone promising reduced taxes.

The threat wont come from the opposition, but I could see someone on his side of the fence seing this as an opportunity to "push him under the bus" and they may organize a coup behind his back from within his own followers and take his place.

Shard Nov 8th 2013 2:16 am

Re: Rob Ford Again
 

Originally Posted by iaink (Post 10982159)
Why would he cave to public pressure? He knows he doesn't legally have to stand aside, so why wouldn't he hold out until the election? He has nothing to gain and little to loose at this point, and the electorate has a woefully short memory when it comes to someone promising reduced taxes.

The threat wont come from the opposition, but I could see someone on his side of the fence seing this as an opportunity to "push him under the bus" and they may organize a coup behind his back from within his own followers and take his place.

Well the idea is the public put the pressure on the other civic leaders (whether from within his party or the opposition) to do something to effect his replacement. Refusing to show up to meetings might be a starting point. It can be done.

ExKiwilass Nov 8th 2013 2:25 am

Re: Rob Ford Again
 

Originally Posted by nldfc (Post 10981260)
So does no-one else think that it might be a blast to have a night out on the piss with him then ? :)

no cos he's an angry drunk. that's no fun.

iaink Nov 8th 2013 2:31 am

Re: Rob Ford Again
 

Originally Posted by Shard (Post 10982167)
Well the idea is the public put the pressure on the other civic leaders (whether from within his party or the opposition) to do something to effect his replacement. Refusing to show up to meetings might be a starting point. It can be done.

That would require the public to not be totally apathetic about local politics...

Oink Nov 8th 2013 2:32 am

Re: Rob Ford Again
 

Originally Posted by nldfc (Post 10981260)
So does no-one else think that it might be a blast to have a night out on the piss with him then ? :)

I have, well not him exactly, but a few facsimiles of him. The key is to judge when to make your escape in a cab before the insanity takes a hold of them. :)

Former Lancastrian Nov 8th 2013 2:38 am

Re: Rob Ford Again
 
Oh come on folks anyone can see in the new video Rob Ford is doing an impression of Randy Macho Man Savage or Hulk Hogan as to what he is going to do with his next opponent.

How long Nov 8th 2013 2:47 am

Re: Rob Ford Again
 

Originally Posted by Novocastrian (Post 10981408)
**** FFS.

My deepest apo logies I meant to write *****, , **** was a bit wankerish :thumbdown:

How long Nov 8th 2013 2:49 am

Re: Rob Ford Again
 

Originally Posted by Shard (Post 10982094)
electorate (%, roughly)? Would the majority of Torontonians like to see him go?

Out on the piss, the press certainly would.

BristolUK Nov 8th 2013 4:41 am

Re: Rob Ford Again
 
If they ever want to resurrect The Sopranos, they know who to turn to for the part.

Oink Nov 8th 2013 4:44 am

Re: Rob Ford Again
 

Originally Posted by BristolUK (Post 10982375)
If they ever want to resurrect The Sopranos, they know who to turn to for the part.

Rob Ford's Italian?

Shard Nov 8th 2013 4:46 am

Re: Rob Ford Again
 

Originally Posted by BristolUK (Post 10982375)
If they ever want to resurrect The Sopranos, they know who to turn to for the part.

Apart from a rough similarity in size, I see no similarity in person whatsoever.

caretaker Nov 8th 2013 4:49 am

Re: Rob Ford Again
 
I'm curious about what's left - there's one more video... The city officials that are barking for his head represent their electorate so I'd be surprised if his standing in the polls is quite as good as it looks when it comes to voting. I wonder if there's any work being done on a reality tv series 'The Fords', the family seems to have enough dysfunctional elements to make it work, and if Novocastrian's right about murder-related charges in the offing, (damn, that's clever!), things could get racy.

BristolUK Nov 8th 2013 4:55 am

Re: Rob Ford Again
 

Originally Posted by Shard (Post 10982383)
Apart from a rough similarity in size, I see no similarity in person whatsoever.

Lots of swearing, association with villains, threats....

Rob Ford is Tony Soprano

dbd33 Nov 8th 2013 5:06 am

Re: Rob Ford Again
 

Originally Posted by BristolUK (Post 10982399)
Lots of swearing, association with villains, threats....

Rob Ford is Tony Soprano

That's a desperate stab at glamourisation. Rob Ford is more like Don Cherry or Rod Steiger in In The Heat of the Night; a blowhard who's missed his calling as a small town cop.

Oink Nov 8th 2013 5:10 am

Re: Rob Ford Again
 

Originally Posted by dbd33 (Post 10982419)
That's a desperate stab at glamourisation. Rob Ford is more like Don Cherry or Rod Steiger in In The Heat of the Night; a blowhard who's missed his calling as a small town cop.

Or, according to Martin Short, the lovechild of Chris Farley and Chaz Bono. :)

jimf Nov 8th 2013 6:45 am

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Originally Posted by Shard (Post 10981400)
Rob Ford story opened "This Week" tonight, the BBC's weekly political round-up.

A few waspish comments at the start about Canadian politics. The Guardian is interested in Ford........

http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...=ILCNETTXT3487

Not a dickie bird about the Canadian PM............

Shard Nov 8th 2013 6:51 am

Re: Rob Ford Again
 

Originally Posted by jimf (Post 10982668)
A few waspish comments at the start about Canadian politics. The Guardian is interested in Ford........

http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...=ILCNETTXT3487

Not a dickie bird about the Canadian PM............

Yes, seeing the story all over now. As DBD said in No.79, the press are more interested in the human interest angle than another country's normal politics.

Novocastrian Nov 8th 2013 9:21 am

Re: Rob Ford Again
 

Originally Posted by Shard (Post 10982681)
Yes, seeing the story all over now. As DBD said in No.79, the press are more interested in the human interest angle than another country's normal politics.

Just a heads up if you haven't already heard. It'll be worthwhile tuning in to CBC Newsworld's Fifth Estate at 9 pm eastern this evening.

Shard Nov 8th 2013 10:53 am

Re: Rob Ford Again
 

Originally Posted by Novocastrian (Post 10982974)
Just a heads up if you haven't already heard. It'll be worthwhile tuning in to CBC Newsworld's Fifth Estate at 9 pm eastern this evening.

Thanks. CBC app doesn't seem to play in Britain.

Novocastrian Nov 8th 2013 10:58 am

Re: Rob Ford Again
 

Originally Posted by Shard (Post 10983141)
Thanks. CBC app doesn't seem to play in Britain.

Such is the global dominance of things Canadian.

Oink Nov 8th 2013 11:03 am

Re: Rob Ford Again
 

Originally Posted by Shard (Post 10983141)
Thanks. CBC app doesn't seem to play in Britain.

I thought you lived in Canada?

Shard Nov 8th 2013 11:08 am

Re: Rob Ford Again
 

Originally Posted by Oink (Post 10983147)
I thought you lived in Canada?

Not at present, as many of my posts would reveal. ;)

Oink Nov 8th 2013 11:10 am

Re: Rob Ford Again
 

Originally Posted by Shard (Post 10983156)
Not at present, as many of my posts would reveal. ;)

That rather explains the cheery disposition. :thumbup:

dbd33 Nov 8th 2013 1:06 pm

Re: Rob Ford Again
 

Originally Posted by jimf (Post 10982668)
A few waspish comments at the start about Canadian politics. The Guardian is interested in Ford........

http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...=ILCNETTXT3487

Not a dickie bird about the Canadian PM............

Ford is mildly entertaining, if the Mayor of Tulsa was on crack he'd be in the paper, when the Mayor of Washington was on crack he was in the paper. The contrast between the pomposity and bombast inherent in being a Mayor and the squalid conduct of the crack smoker makes crack smoking Mayors easy figures of fun.

Harper isn't very interesting, slightly corrupt leaders of minor countries are ten-a-penny. Harper's religiosity and his startling hair catch our attention because he's local but, seen from a distance, he's just another Jimmy Swaggart; there's always another of them.

I suppose the key point here is that no one really notices what happens in Canada unless it has a comedic edge. Ford seems a stereotypical cradle to us because we live here but to an audience who think of Pierre Trudeau as being the embodiment of all things Canadian; cultured, francophone, libidinous. A fat druggy redneck guy comes over as a novelty act.

I do like Ford for poking his finger in the eye of the idea that Canadians are somehow different from the worst Americans.

cjones Nov 8th 2013 2:15 pm

Re: Rob Ford Again
 

Originally Posted by caretaker (Post 10982394)
I'm curious about what's left - there's one more video... The city officials that are barking for his head represent their electorate so I'd be surprised if his standing in the polls is quite as good as it looks when it comes to voting. I wonder if there's any work being done on a reality tv series 'The Fords', the family seems to have enough dysfunctional elements to make it work, and if Novocastrian's right about murder-related charges in the offing, (damn, that's clever!), things could get racy.


I hope to god it's not a sex tape. :blink:

Oakvillian Nov 13th 2013 6:42 am

Re: Rob Ford Again
 
The previously redacted police evidence is being released this afternoon. Early reports are that it contains police interviews with city staffers alluding to Oxycontin abuse in his office in City Hall, sending staffers out to buy vodka to bring into the office, incidents of sexual harassment of staff, etc etc.

Surely he's got to go if that lot is true. So far he's always managed to maintain he was doing this stuff on his own time. Unsurprisingly, that appears to be some distance from reality...

dbd33 Nov 13th 2013 6:56 am

Re: Rob Ford Again
 

Originally Posted by Oakvillian (Post 10989852)
The previously redacted police evidence is being released this afternoon. Early reports are that it contains police interviews with city staffers alluding to Oxycontin abuse in his office in City Hall, sending staffers out to buy vodka to bring into the office, incidents of sexual harassment of staff, etc etc.

Surely he's got to go if that lot is true. So far he's always managed to maintain he was doing this stuff on his own time. Unsurprisingly, that appears to be some distance from reality...

I think the acts described just cause Ford's constituency to identify more closely with him. Those who are not, at this moment, fat, drunk and leering, wish they were. I note that Ford was on the front page of the Sun this week posing with Don Cherry. I think they sell into the same market. Cherry's a fat man who owns a chain of bars who's made a living from encouraging brawls.

This is what cradle Canada's about, not the wishy-washy liberalism of immigrants and francos.

Oink Nov 13th 2013 7:32 am

Re: Rob Ford Again
 

Originally Posted by Oakvillian (Post 10989852)
The previously redacted police evidence is being released this afternoon. Early reports are that it contains police interviews with city staffers alluding to Oxycontin abuse in his office in City Hall, sending staffers out to buy vodka to bring into the office, incidents of sexual harassment of staff, etc etc.

Surely he's got to go if that lot is true. So far he's always managed to maintain he was doing this stuff on his own time. Unsurprisingly, that appears to be some distance from reality...

Is it too much to hope that he turns out to be a cross-dresser as well?

ExKiwilass Nov 13th 2013 7:35 am

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CAN'T WAIT!!! GOOD TIMES.

Animal Nov 13th 2013 7:42 am

Re: Rob Ford Again
 
Get the popcorn, sit back and watch the firework display :)

Oakvillian Nov 13th 2013 7:43 am

Re: Rob Ford Again
 

Originally Posted by Oink (Post 10989934)
Is it too much to hope that he turns out to be a cross-dresser as well?

:blink: pass the mind-bleach, please :blink:

Novocastrian Nov 13th 2013 7:44 am

Re: Rob Ford Again
 

Originally Posted by Oink (Post 10989934)
Is it too much to hope that he turns out to be a cross-dresser as well?

Eleanor would know.

Oink Nov 14th 2013 7:42 am

Re: Rob Ford Again
 
He's the gift that keeps on giving. Long may it continue. :thumbup:


http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/11...nto-reporters/

ultrarunner Nov 14th 2013 8:05 am

Re: Rob Ford Again
 
OK....they crossed the line by "calling his wife a prostitute":frown:

I mean common on people, that is not right and the poking obviously should be focused on Rob, not members of his family.

Listen to the end of the press brief though...Rob said "I have more than enough to eat at home". Rob, that is just a silly thing to say

http://www.thestar.com/news/city_hal...x_comment.html

caretaker Nov 14th 2013 8:40 am

Re: Rob Ford Again
 
Odder each day, isn't it? I think Toronto's gotten really lucky with Rob. If it wasn't for the lurid coke and booze scandal enough voters might overlook his mishandling of the LRT/subway fiasco and he'd get in again with his whole mobbed-up family and they'd be fighting for air just like Montreal trying to get organized crime out of city hall. Some say Doug would make a good mayor, I wouldn't touch any of them. I haven't been in Toronto for a long time now, is the Zanzibar Tavern still there?

ExKiwilass Nov 14th 2013 8:55 am

Re: Rob Ford Again
 
well, maybe she was a prostitute, one of those high-classy ones. At this point I would believe anything.

HGerchikov Nov 14th 2013 9:05 am

Re: Rob Ford Again
 

Originally Posted by ultrarunner (Post 10991701)
OK....they crossed the line by "calling his wife a prostitute":frown:

I mean common on people, that is not right and the poking obviously should be focused on Rob, not members of his family.

Listen to the end of the press brief though...Rob said "I have more than enough to eat at home". Rob, that is just a silly thing to say

http://www.thestar.com/news/city_hal...x_comment.html

I don't think they did call his wife a prostitute, they said that about some other woman, named Alana. Apparently she was at the infamous St Patricks day party, and is according to Rob Ford, a 'friend'.


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