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Rob Ford Again
Says "Sure I smoked pot, lots of it." Good man! No beating around the bush, NO LYING, I may actually be starting to like this guy. Swaggering down the sidewalk like he's Johnny Walker, meeting his public, pressing the flesh. I know a lot of people and it would be hard to fill a bus with those who've never smoked dope. There isn't much I like about Toronto so I thought this was worth posting.
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Not exactly a surprise to see politicians (of all hues) coming along in recent days to admit their flouting of the law.
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i thought he said he smoked crack, not dope?
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Originally Posted by caretaker
(Post 10875131)
Says "Sure I smoked pot, lots of it." Good man! No beating around the bush, NO LYING, I may actually be starting to like this guy. Swaggering down the sidewalk like he's Johnny Walker, meeting his public, pressing the flesh. I know a lot of people and it would be hard to fill a bus with those who've never smoked dope. There isn't much I like about Toronto so I thought this was worth posting.
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So he's admitted that he has smoked crack cocaine and has been in drunken stupors before.
Smoking crack isn't illegal but being in possession of it is. I hardly think any criminal charges are going to be laid with or without a video. So why is it an issue? |
Re: Rob Ford Again
Originally Posted by Oink
(Post 10977911)
And who hasn't got so drunk that they passed the crack pipe around with some mates, eh?
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Thank goodness Calgary's mayor is just a nice Muslim boy who loves his mother.
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he does seem like a nice boy.
And our Vancouver's mayor looks like a male model and embraces clean living |
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Apparently its not his fault he lied to the press all those times, they just weren't asking the right questions.:blink:
What do we really know about this guy? He comes from a fairly wealthy family not the blue collar everyman hes made out to be, the only time we hear from his wife is her 911 calls, he drinks to much, is stupid enough to be caught on camera smoking crack, denies it and then has to retract that. And his popularity rating has gone up with the latest revelations. Is there really no credible political alternative? Is the cupboard that bare? |
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So, he IS the mayor that's he's cracked up to be :@)
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Originally Posted by iaink
(Post 10977993)
Apparently its not his fault he lied to the press all those times, they just weren't asking the right questions.:blink:
What do we really know about this guy? He comes from a fairly wealthy family not the blue collar everyman hes made out to be, the only time we hear from his wife is her 911 calls, he drinks to much, is stupid enough to be caught on camera smoking crack, denies it and then has to retract that. And his popularity rating has gone up with the latest revelations. Is there really no credible political alternative? Is the cupboard that bare? |
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Originally Posted by Oink
(Post 10978007)
It don't say much for Toronto does it?
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Is the issue that he smoked crack, or his "denials" that he had done so?
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Originally Posted by JamesM
(Post 10978009)
People prefer the joke of city politics to the reality.
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Originally Posted by Almost Canadian
(Post 10978027)
Is the issue that he smoked crack, or his "denials" that he had done so?
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Originally Posted by Jingsamichty
(Post 10978047)
When that is a question you find yourself applying to the figurehead of your city, you've really got to ask if there's anyone else who might be a better representative for you...
What's wrong with smoking crack anyway? |
Re: Rob Ford Again
Originally Posted by Almost Canadian
(Post 10978052)
Possibly. I thought the general complaint about politicians is that they are unrepresentative of the electorate.
What's wrong with smoking crack anyway? |
Re: Rob Ford Again
Originally Posted by Almost Canadian
(Post 10978027)
Is the issue that he smoked crack, or his "denials" that he had done so?
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Originally Posted by iaink
(Post 10978056)
I think the issue is we live in a society where a majority of people can elect Rob Ford as mayor of their city. Novo has the right idea, get out while the going is good!
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Originally Posted by Almost Canadian
(Post 10978059)
Do you think he will be re-elected?
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Originally Posted by dbd33
(Post 10978062)
I do.
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Originally Posted by Almost Canadian
(Post 10978075)
It that simply because of profile, or, media issues aside, he is a good mayor?
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Originally Posted by Almost Canadian
(Post 10978075)
It that simply because of profile, or, media issues aside, he is a good mayor?
I suspect his goose is probably cooked now and that another conservative candidate will emerge. As mayors go hes terrible, hes divisive, hes hardly delivered anything he promised, he has if anything lowered the level of council ethics, hes constantly bluring lines between personal and mayoral business and his priorities have at times been somewhat questionable like leaving council sessions to go coach high school football. Its hard to put a lot of faith and trust in the judgment of a guy who smoked crack while allegedly pissed to the gills, lied about it and then berated journalists for not asking the right questions. He'll probably be in the Federal Cabinet or better yet the Senate by the time hes finished. |
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Originally Posted by Almost Canadian
(Post 10978075)
It that simply because of profile, or, media issues aside, he is a good mayor?
That said, I don't think Toronto's had a good Mayor since Mel Lastman*, it's not as if there's a huge range of quality candidates to choose from. * yes, I know he was corrupt and also an oaf but he sold Toronto well (at least to white people). |
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Pretty sure Rob Ford is one of these guys.
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Re: Rob Ford Again
Originally Posted by iaink
(Post 10978093)
Single issue... Lower taxes.
I suspect his goose is probably cooked now and that another conservative candidate will emerge. As mayors go hes terrible, hes divisive, hes hardly delivered anything he promised, he has if anything lowered the level of council ethics, hes constantly bluring lines between personal and mayoral business and his priorities have at times been somewhat questionable like leaving council sessions to go coach high school football. Its hard to put a lot of faith and trust in the judgment of a guy who smoked crack while allegedly pissed to the gills, lied about it and then berated journalists for not asking the right questions. He'll probably be in the Federal Cabinet or better yet the Senate by the time hes finished. |
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Originally Posted by iaink
(Post 10978093)
Single issue... Lower taxes.
I suspect his goose is probably cooked now and that another conservative candidate will emerge. As mayors go hes terrible, hes divisive, hes hardly delivered anything he promised, he has if anything lowered the level of council ethics, hes constantly bluring lines between personal and mayoral business and his priorities have at times been somewhat questionable like leaving council sessions to go coach high school football. Its hard to put a lot of faith and trust in the judgment of a guy who smoked crack while allegedly pissed to the gills, lied about it and then berated journalists for not asking the right questions. He'll probably be in the Federal Cabinet or better yet the Senate by the time hes finished. I have to admit I don't see the issue with smoking crack. A very clever University professor was on CNN the other day and stated that, in essence, it was no more harmful that pot.
Originally Posted by dbd33
(Post 10978098)
IMO he's not a good mayor but I think most voters like what he stands for; shifting the tax burden downtown. I don't think most people care that he's an oaf.
That said, I don't think Toronto's had a good Mayor since Mel Lastman*, it's not as if there's a huge range of quality candidates to choose from. * yes, I know he was corrupt and also an oaf but he sold Toronto well (at least to white people).
Originally Posted by Shard
(Post 10978138)
Not exactly a role model. Get rid of him Toronto.
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Originally Posted by Almost Canadian
(Post 10978157)
Puts lawyer's hat on: There is no such thing as a stupid answer; only a stupid question.
I have to admit I don't see the issue with smoking crack. A very clever University professor was on CNN the other day and stated that, in essence, it was no more harmful that pot. I wouldnt trust him to baby sit a 10 year old, never mind run a city. As you may have figured out I dont have much regard for most politicians, but I will judge them based on their ability to deliver on the promises that got them elected, and whether they behave in an upfront, ethical way. If they can do those two things then you cant really argue with democracy in action even if you disagree with the actions themselves. But any way you look at it Rob Ford gets a failing grade. |
Re: Rob Ford Again
Originally Posted by iaink
(Post 10978056)
I think the issue is we live in a society where a majority of people can elect (and may yet reelect) Rob Ford as mayor of their city. Novo has the right idea, get out while the going is good!
Toronto is lucky, it gets all the laughs. For instance when Ford said "God Bless Toronto". |
Re: Rob Ford Again
Originally Posted by Almost Canadian
(Post 10978157)
Puts lawyer's hat on: There is no such thing as a stupid answer; only a stupid question.
I have to admit I don't see the issue with smoking crack. A very clever University professor was on CNN the other day and stated that, in essence, it was no more harmful that pot. Will no one from the right wing side of the fence go up against him? Do we expect politicians to be role models, I thought that was the domain of sport, pop stars and movie stars? From that perspective, he seems to fit the mould:p Not sure why you don't see an issue with a public official smoking crack while in office? There's a fine line between smoking it and possessing it, and presumably if police were there at the time he could be criminally charged? Irregardless (;)) a mayor smoking a narcotic, particularly a dangerous one, sends out a conflicting signal to citizens on whether it is right to respect the law on this. Civic leaders are not necessarily role models in the way that sports or entertainment people seem to be, nevertheless when they behave badly they become negative models and no longer deserve a public platform. A university professor or other luminary may well advocate the use the drugs, and they may well have a point, but they are not charged with any power to impose rules on the general public and therefore not subject to the same moral test. Perhaps the role model issue is of less importance than honesty etc (as IainK suggests) but I disagree that it's an irrelevance. |
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I'm not bothered, personally, that he smoked crack. If anything his continuing popularity is yet more evidence the 'war against drugs' has failed.
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Originally Posted by Shard
(Post 10978203)
There's a fine line between smoking it and possessing it....
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Originally Posted by R I C H
(Post 10978283)
What does this statement mean?
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Originally Posted by iaink
(Post 10978171)
Its not really about role models or crack use, its about his honesty and trusting his judgment to do the right thing as CEO of a city with a $10Bn budget and 5M people. The crack thing is the latest in a long list of dubious acts by the citys elected leader.
I wouldnt trust him to baby sit a 10 year old, never mind run a city. As you may have figured out I dont have much regard for most politicians, but I will judge them based on their ability to deliver on the promises that got them elected, and whether they behave in an upfront, ethical way. If they can do those two things then you cant really argue with democracy in action even if you disagree with the actions themselves. But any way you look at it Rob Ford gets a failing grade. |
Re: Rob Ford Again
Originally Posted by iaink
(Post 10978093)
Single issue... Lower taxes.
I suspect his goose is probably cooked now and that another conservative candidate will emerge. As mayors go hes terrible, hes divisive, hes hardly delivered anything he promised, he has if anything lowered the level of council ethics, hes constantly bluring lines between personal and mayoral business and his priorities have at times been somewhat questionable like leaving council sessions to go coach high school football. Its hard to put a lot of faith and trust in the judgment of a guy who smoked crack while allegedly pissed to the gills, lied about it and then berated journalists for not asking the right questions. He'll probably be in the Federal Cabinet or better yet the Senate by the time hes finished. Also, has anyone else commented how all this is deflecting the news from Teflon Harper? |
Re: Rob Ford Again
Originally Posted by bats
(Post 10978334)
Another candidate. Doug Ford. Mark my words.
Also, has anyone else commented how all this is deflecting the news from Teflon Harper? |
Re: Rob Ford Again
Originally Posted by R I C H
(Post 10978283)
What does this statement mean?
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Originally Posted by Shard
(Post 10978203)
Not sure why you don't see an issue with a public official smoking crack while in office? There's a fine line between smoking it and possessing it, and presumably if police were there at the time he could be criminally charged?
Irregardless (;)) a mayor smoking a narcotic, particularly a dangerous one, sends out a conflicting signal to citizens on whether it is right to respect the law on this. Civic leaders are not necessarily role models in the way that sports or entertainment people seem to be, nevertheless when they behave badly they become negative models and no longer deserve a public platform. A university professor or other luminary may well advocate the use the drugs, and they may well have a point, but they are not charged with any power to impose rules on the general public and therefore not subject to the same moral test. Perhaps the role model issue is of less importance than honesty etc (as IainK suggests) but I disagree that it's an irrelevance. |
Re: Rob Ford Again
Originally Posted by bats
(Post 10978334)
Another candidate. Doug Ford. Mark my words.
Also, has anyone else commented how all this is deflecting the news from Teflon Harper? |
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