I mean what I say. I think if you are a true believer in one of the main faiths you should have respect and tolerence for everyone - no matter what they believe or think.

I do have issues with some Christian off chutes such as the Jehovah's witnesses or others. Christ started the Christian church through St. Peter- the first Pope. That line of succession has never been broken. However, we find so many Christian fractions who have broken away from the Catholic (Universal) Church because they had disagrrements or wanted to do their own thing. We do pray for Christian unity, but when you go far down the road of women vicars, openly gay clergy - which is against the doctorine of faith then I can't see how it can ever be.

A lot of the questions man looks for will never be answered until he dies.

On the matter of press, and leading you down the path so to speak--do you believe man ever stepped foot on the moon ? I don't ! Do you believe in the lone shooter of JFK - - I don't - - but some do. It;s all a matter of personal belief.

JET

There is no evidence for a soul, the mind and body are one unit and cannot be separated
As for guilt, love, empathy, loyalty and joy these can be found in many other creatures the higher primates exhibit all of these traits
It assists with group function; some will have arisen out of the child parent bond to assist with rearing young, some from interactions within family groups that will have shown benefit in the greater tribe

It’s your choice not to believe in Darwin and I know its called a theory, but its better looked at as the accepted truth of the day, choosing to not believe in it is pretty close to choosing not to believe in Newton’s laws..

If you choose not to believe in Darwin, there is no point in me discussing Hawkins work

It worth considering when you make a statement such as this that it comes across to people that have studied in these areas not so much a statement of faith, but a sign of ignorance or poor education depending on where you grew up

I may choose to humour you but its unlikely that I respect your point of view on this topic as this type of statement would indicate that at this level of debate your way out of your depth

Some personnel beliefs should be keep quite as they may make you look foolish

you'd have hard time explaining how these got there http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_l...ing_experiment

That is so patently untrue that I assume you haven't read some of the debate earlier in this thread, let alone any published thought on the matter.

The majority of Christian churches that broke from Rome did so in protest at the abuses of the Papacy and the Catholic hierarchy of the time. There were effectively two such major schisms: first that giving rise to the Eastern Orthodox churches in the late 11th century, and the second giving rise to Western Protestantism. In particular during the Reformation, "mainstream" protestants (Lutherans, Calvinists, etc) protested initially from within the church about abuses including the Simony (the selling of Church offices), the selling of indulgences (get-out-of-jail-free cards for purgatory), devotion to Mary (considered tantamount to idolatory by some), and so on, up to and including the idea of Papal infallibility and apostolic succession (particularly given the Avignon papacy and the mess of Papal succession in the late 14th century). While many churches, including Orthodox, Anglican, some Lutheran, and various other Episcopalian communions, share the Catholic idea of Apostolic Succession, the supremacy of the Pope has been disputed from the 11th century onwards.

I challenge you to quote me a verse of scripture that dictates priests should be male only. Or, for that matter, that they should be celibate. These and many similar Catholic doctrines have come from Papal utterances of various sorts - which, given other Christian denominations' repudiation of the supremacy of the Bishop of Rome, are meaningless to all except the Roman church.

Yes, well, as MikeUK says, any credibility we may have been willing to lend your argument has gone out of the window if you couple it with frothing conspiracy-nut idiocy like this.

Yes, well, as MikeUK says, any credibility we may have been willing to lend your argument has gone out of the window if you couple it with frothing conspiracy-nut idiocy like this.[/QUOTE]

I think that Oswald was involved somewhere, however, to me there were other shooters and the head shot came from the grassy knoll - do you think that Oswald took all the shots from the window ?

The moon, well as many as you can find believe the official line, there are just as many of those who don't. I only wanted to put this, not to dispute anyone's view but just to get across that whether we think some one is an idiot because they believe in the opposite to us - but just to emphasise that people are free to hold their views - which I respect.

Take care

JET

What has this got to do with religion?

I'd like to see your response to Oakvillian's post above please

Irrational belief, sincerely held. Meme chose, innit?

The thing that gets me is this: A tribe in the Amazon rain forests believes that the reason the river at a certain point bends the way it does is because the sun and the moon had an argument, the sun threw a spear and it landed at that spot, forcing the river to go around the spear.

"Western" theologians hearing this would laugh and say that such a story is evidence of the tribe's "low intelligence". Yet such a story is no less incredible that the story of Noah.

I remember the Royal Institute Christmas Lectures that Dawkins did, where he showed how ridiculous it would be if, for example, your belief as to how the dinosaurs died out depended on where in the world you lived and then applied that to how ridiculous it is for religious people to belief what they do, largely as a result of where they live.

A question for JET - why are Jews' beliefs wrong and your's right

Ahhhhhhhhhhh

A question for JET - why are Jews' beliefs wrong and your's right

Did not say that, said that we believe in the same God, however the Jews don't believe that Jesus was the Messiah. Christianity comes out of the Jewish faith, like Islam. God made a covenant with Moses for the Jews, Christians believe that God through Christ made a new covenant which covers all men and races. Christ was a Jew so everything in the old testament they believe in Christians do, however it is all about the New Testament.

Got to go Wales playing France in 6 Nations - half time 13-13

JET

So, again, why your's over their's

it's a repeating theme

Different strokes for different folks...of course everyone knows that the one true religion is the one a based on a floating zombie that could perform magical tricks.

I never said that the Catholic Faith is above that of the Jewish Faith. Both are built on the Scriptures of the Old Testament and the 10 Commandments as given to Moses. The main difference is that Christians believe that the Messiah prophesies in the Old Testament were fulfilled in Jesus. Therefore as well as The Old Testament Scripture we also follow the Gospels - and the words and deeds of Jesus. As Pope John Paul 2 said - the Jews are our older brothers and sisters.

With regards to the earlier question regarding priests - only men.

The Church's tradition of celibacy traces its beginnings to both Jesus, who encouraged his apostles to be celibate if they were able to do so, and to St. Paul, who wrote of the advantages celibacy allowed a man in serving the Lord. Thus, from the Church's beginnings, clerical celibacy was "held in high esteem" and is considered a kind of spiritual marriage with Christ,

The Pope's infallibility

Jesus said "You are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church, and the gates of the netherworld will not prevail against it. I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven."

Therefore Catholics believe that through the action of the Holy Spirit, the Pope is preserved from even the possibility of error when he solemnly declares or promulgates to the Church a dogmatic teaching on faith or morals as being contained in divine revelation, or at least being intimately connected to divine revelation. The Holy Spirit works in the body of the Church, as sensus fidei, to ensure that dogmatic teachings proclaimed to be infallible will be received by all Catholics. This dogma, however, does not state that the Pope cannot commit sin in his own personal life.

Again I am only stating what Catholics believe, not telling others that this is right - only what we believe is right. We have a free choice to decide and follow what ever path in life we want to, but I believe that we should respect each others view.

Here is something that I would like to raise as this is what I feel is another religious topic that makes you think.

I worked with someone in the past who was a Jehovah's witness. His wife had to have an operation, lost a lot of blood and ultimately because their faith in what they believed died as they are not allowed to have transfusions.

Is this showing a great belief in what you believe or folly ? Would a just God want people to do this ?

Interested in your views on this one. Fellow workers did not talk to him, but does this show him to be foolish, or simply that there was no respect in his and his wife's beliefs ?

JET