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Re: PM Boris
I think that there's some agreement that the election finesse did not work out well at all, but prorogation could still lend our hero some time on the clock, providing the Supreme Court approves the move.
There seems to be a general feeling going around, something I can't quite put my finger on, that our hero is something of a charlatan, a flibbertigibbet, a Del boy with a nice accent, someone whose probably sold his grandmother to buy a decent haircut but couldn't get much for her. Now I don't put much store by rumour, but if he's as wriggly a worm as some would have us believe then he's capable of disappearing down one hole and popping up through another. Personally, I'm not as convinced as many seem to be that our hero will end in a ditch, at least not before lining it with some comfortable bedding and a crate of bubbly. We shall see shortly whether it's going to be Number 10 or The Tower. I wonder if the Queen will be amused. |
Re: PM Boris
Originally Posted by dave_j
(Post 12735572)
Personally, I'm not as convinced as many seem to be that our hero will end in a ditch, at least not before lining it with some comfortable bedding and a crate of bubbly.
We shall see shortly whether it's going to be Number 10 or The Tower. I wonder if the Queen will be amused. The Queen doesn’t care either as she comes from money too. |
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This story does just that. I've Googled this until I'm blue in the face but everywhere I get the returns like.. https://www.theguardian.com/politics...imself-to-hulk Now I used to think that the Grauniad was a serious source of the truth but Brexit has killed that stone dead. The TRUE reference refers to an article in the Mail on Sunday... referred to in... "The Prime Minister told the Mail on Sunday that, like the green-skinned comic book alter-ego of Bruce Banner, the country would "explode out of" its restraints, despite MPs moving to block a no-deal Brexit. " It's clear that he was comparing the country to the Hulk, but this was deliberately distorted to compare a comic Johnson to the comic book character. If the Leave group must descend to character assassination to make their case, then it's time they packed up and went home. |
Re: PM Boris
Originally Posted by dave_j
(Post 12735901)
Imagine that you live in Orwell's 1984. A totalitarian system capable of rewriting history using it's ability to distort reality.
This story does just that. I've Googled this until I'm blue in the face but everywhere I get the returns like.. https://www.theguardian.com/politics...imself-to-hulk Now I used to think that the Grauniad was a serious source of the truth but Brexit has killed that stone dead. The TRUE reference refers to an article in the Mail on Sunday... referred to in... "The Prime Minister told the Mail on Sunday that, like the green-skinned comic book alter-ego of Bruce Banner, the country would "explode out of" its restraints, despite MPs moving to block a no-deal Brexit. " It's clear that he was comparing the country to the Hulk, but this was deliberately distorted to compare a comic Johnson to the comic book character. If the Leave group must descend to character assassination to make their case, then it's time they packed up and went home. In an exclusive interview with The Mail on Sunday, the Prime Minister says that if negotiations break down, he will ignore the Commons vote ordering him to delay the UK's departure, adding: 'The madder Hulk gets, the stronger Hulk gets.' It seems he has extended the metaphor to himself. In any case, it's juvenile imagery. Worse than Trump, and that says something about the current leadership. I suppose it's pitched to appeal to Leavers, and might resonate with them. As for character assassination, don't you mean Remain group? |
Re: PM Boris
Originally Posted by Shard
(Post 12735912)
From the DM:
In an exclusive interview with The Mail on Sunday, the Prime Minister says that if negotiations break down, he will ignore the Commons vote ordering him to delay the UK's departure, adding: 'The madder Hulk gets, the stronger Hulk gets.' It seems he has extended the metaphor to himself. In any case, it's juvenile imagery. Worse than Trump, and that says something about the current leadership. I suppose it's pitched to appeal to Leavers, and might resonate with them.
Originally Posted by dave_j
(Post 12735901)
Imagine that you live in Orwell's 1984. A totalitarian system capable of rewriting history using it's ability to distort reality.
This story does just that. I've Googled this until I'm blue in the face but everywhere I get the returns like.. https://www.theguardian.com/politics...imself-to-hulk Now I used to think that the Grauniad was a serious source of the truth but Brexit has killed that stone dead. The TRUE reference refers to an article in the Mail on Sunday... referred to in... "The Prime Minister told the Mail on Sunday that, like the green-skinned comic book alter-ego of Bruce Banner, the country would "explode out of" its restraints, despite MPs moving to block a no-deal Brexit. " It's clear that he was comparing the country to the Hulk, but this was deliberately distorted to compare a comic Johnson to the comic book character. If the Leave group must descend to character assassination to make their case, then it's time they packed up and went home.
Originally Posted by Annetje
(Post 12735928)
:lol::lol:
[i]Hollywood actor Mark Ruffalo explains to Boris Johnson why comparing himself to the Incredible Hulk is a bad idea. [b]"Boris Johnson forgets that the Hulk only fights for the good of the whole. Mad and strong can also be dense and destructive. The Hulk works best when he is in unison with a team, and is a disaster when he is alone. Plus...he’s always got Dr. Banner with science and reason." As for character assassination, don't you mean Remain group? |
Re: PM Boris
Originally Posted by dave_j
(Post 12735901)
Imagine that you live in Orwell's 1984. A totalitarian system capable of rewriting history using it's ability to distort reality.
This story does just that. I've Googled this until I'm blue in the face but everywhere I get the returns like.. https://www.theguardian.com/politics...imself-to-hulk Now I used to think that the Grauniad was a serious source of the truth but Brexit has killed that stone dead. The TRUE reference refers to an article in the Mail on Sunday... referred to in... "The Prime Minister told the Mail on Sunday that, like the green-skinned comic book alter-ego of Bruce Banner, the country would "explode out of" its restraints, despite MPs moving to block a no-deal Brexit. " It's clear that he was comparing the country to the Hulk, but this was deliberately distorted to compare a comic Johnson to the comic book character. If the Leave group must descend to character assassination to make their case, then it's time they packed up and went home. |
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Originally Posted by Shard
(Post 12735912)
From the DM:
In an exclusive interview with The Mail on Sunday, the Prime Minister says that if negotiations break down, he will ignore the Commons vote ordering him to delay the UK's departure, adding: 'The madder Hulk gets, the stronger Hulk gets.' It seems he has extended the metaphor to himself. In any case, it's juvenile imagery. Worse than Trump, and that says something about the current leadership. I suppose it's pitched to appeal to Leavers, and might resonate with them. As for character assassination, don't you mean Remain group? It is entertaining though from a distance. |
Re: PM Boris
Originally Posted by JamesM
(Post 12736023)
It is entertaining though from a distance. (Yes, I watch and enjoy 'Game of Thrones', a number of parallels without the actual blood shed?) |
Re: PM Boris
Originally Posted by JamesM
(Post 12736022)
The Grauniad has been a poor publication for the best part of a decade now. In fact thanks to the internet and clicks being required to generate revenues there is very little quality in British journalism.
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Originally Posted by dbd33
(Post 12736042)
There are only two UK papers with a successful internet strategy; the Mail and the Gruan. I don't think the quality of journalism in the former has been affected by chasing clicks. In the case of the latter I don't think the news reporting or the better columnists are significantly different. It's just that there's lots of added crap, Australian rugby scores being a trivial but illustrative example; they want clicks in Australia. Given that the internet isn't a particularly profitable venue for news organisations (Mail Online is most profitable but even Metro makes more than half as much profit), how are the publications that are unsuccessful online (Times, Indy, SuperSorawaySun, etc.) altered?
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Re: PM Boris
Originally Posted by dave_j
(Post 12735901)
Imagine that you live in Orwell's 1984. A totalitarian system capable of rewriting history using it's ability to distort reality.
This story does just that. I've Googled this until I'm blue in the face but everywhere I get the returns like.. https://www.theguardian.com/politics...imself-to-hulk Now I used to think that the Grauniad was a serious source of the truth but Brexit has killed that stone dead. The TRUE reference refers to an article in the Mail on Sunday... referred to in... "The Prime Minister told the Mail on Sunday that, like the green-skinned comic book alter-ego of Bruce Banner, the country would "explode out of" its restraints, despite MPs moving to block a no-deal Brexit. " It's clear that he was comparing the country to the Hulk, but this was deliberately distorted to compare a comic Johnson to the comic book character. If the Leave group must descend to character assassination to make their case, then it's time they packed up and went home. |
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Originally Posted by Shard
(Post 12736055)
I read The Guardian online because it's free. Twenty years ago I used to read what was called the then free "Electronic Telegraph" (DT) website. Somehow, in the interim, my political bias has shifted.
Boris Johnson isn't either of those, but he might be the most ambitious person of recent times. He seems prepared to severely damage the economy of a whole country, perhaps even go to jail, just so he can have been a Prime Minister who did a dramatic thing. Not a thing he cares about, not a good thing, just a big thing. He's the Freddy Mercury of politicians, Brexit will reverberate in the ears of future generations like some dreadful piece of cod opera. |
Re: PM Boris
Originally Posted by dbd33
(Post 12736106)
Twenty years ago I was an established user of the Grauniad talkboard and so already a reader of the online version of the paper. About that time I stopped subscribing to the Guardian Weekly which was a shame because the airmail paper made it seem an exotic publication. I've always been a red Tory/Champagne Socialist.
Boris Johnson isn't either of those, but he might be the most ambitious person of recent times. He seems prepared to severely damage the economy of a whole country, perhaps even go to jail, just so he can have been a Prime Minister who did a dramatic thing. Not a thing he cares about, not a good thing, just a big thing. He's the Freddy Mercury of politicians, Brexit will reverberate in the ears of future generations like some dreadful piece of cod opera. Spot on about Boris. If you ever want to quit the day job I think you could have a good crack at being an OpEd writer ! |
Re: PM Boris
Originally Posted by dbd33
(Post 12736042)
There are only two UK papers with a successful internet strategy; the Mail and the Gruan. I don't think the quality of journalism in the former has been affected by chasing clicks. In the case of the latter I don't think the news reporting or the better columnists are significantly different. It's just that there's lots of added crap, Australian rugby scores being a trivial but illustrative example; they want clicks in Australia. Given that the internet isn't a particularly profitable venue for news organisations (Mail Online is most profitable but even Metro makes more than half as much profit), how are the publications that are unsuccessful online (Times, Indy, SuperSorawaySun, etc.) altered?
I don't mind the Guardian and frequent the sport coverage and have a nibble in the comments (as you may know). David Conn is my favourite sports writer producing interesting content on the off field affairs of football clubs and the games administration for more than twenty years. The Guardian has though in my opinion really started to lean in on it's leftism in recent years and I do feel it is not as impartial or objective as it used to once be. That being said in my pre-Canada days in the UK I was exposed to more media and spent less time on the Guardian so maybe that has jaded me. If I had to pay for a subscription the only publication that produces content I find refreshing is the New York Times. I did for years pay for the Economist and might consider it again someday too. Don't get me started on Canadian newspapers. Children could do a better job. |
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Originally Posted by JamesM
(Post 12736115)
I only view the free ones. BBC, Guardian and Daily Mail (although I've pretty much abandoned the latter because it is pure dross).
I don't mind the Guardian and frequent the sport coverage and have a nibble in the comments (as you may know). David Conn is my favourite sports writer producing interesting content on the off field affairs of football clubs and the games administration for more than twenty years. The Guardian has though in my opinion really started to lean in on it's leftism in recent years and I do feel it is not as impartial or objective as it used to once be. That being said in my pre-Canada days in the UK I was exposed to more media and spent less time on the Guardian so maybe that has jaded me. If I had to pay for a subscription the only publication that produces content I find refreshing is the New York Times. I did for years pay for the Economist and might consider it again someday too. Don't get me started on Canadian newspapers. Children could do a better job. I'm waiting for publication aggregators to emerge. Like a Netflix of media journals. I enjoy the odd article from the NYT, WP, The Atlantic, Economist, FT, Spectator etc, but not enough to engage subscriptions. I'm registered so in theory can read the 1 article per week - but it's never enough, so I tend not to browse them. |
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Originally Posted by Shard
(Post 12736122)
I'm waiting for publication aggregators to emerge. Like a Netflix of media journals. I enjoy the odd article from the NYT, WP, The Atlantic, Economist, FT, Spectator etc, but not enough to engage subscriptions. I'm registered so in theory can read the 1 article per week - but it's never enough, so I tend not to browse them.
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Re: PM Boris
Originally Posted by Shard
(Post 12736114)
Spot on about Boris. If you ever want to quit the day job I think you could have a good crack at being an OpEd writer !
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Re: PM Boris
Originally Posted by Shard
(Post 12736114)
I think the Guardian Weekly is still going, but I can't imagine who buys it.
When I moved here I had a free sample of the Weekly sent to me but it wasn't the same. With easy on line access I cannot imagine why anyone would get the print version let alone the weekly one.
Originally Posted by JamesM
(Post 12736115)
The Guardian has though in my opinion really started to lean in on it's leftism in recent years and I do feel it is not as impartial or objective as it used to once be..
What irritates me is it crosses over into everything. Not too long ago they had their best movie/tv/album etc awards. They picked: Best album - was by a woman (no that's not it) who believes in gender fluidity and sexual fluidity. Also highly commended was one by a female, black, gay singer. Best TV was The Handmaid's Tale. Top movie concerned two gay men and highly commended was a 'feminiist' movie. Top play was about a former IRA member at the time of the hunger strikes. It all looked too much like coincidence. Or self deprecating maybe. :lol: Has anyone seen their best so far of this century? Loads of 'worthy' stuff in the movie category. It makes it too easy for people to have a go at the guardian. Clickbait I suppose. :( |
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"My favourite episode of The Incredible Hulk is the one where a small group of people shouted too loudly so he ran away"
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...ws-latest-news |
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I grew up reading the Telegraph - mainly because my folks did (still do). But it's become such a frothingly pro_bojo Brexit rag that I can't read it seriously anymore. I dip in to the free stories online but wont pay for it. I hve subscribed to The Times and read the Graun for balance. For US news I subscribed to the Washington Post. For Canadian news, well, I don't bother, aside from subscribing to the local rag in St John's.
Anyway, just got an email from my boss (in London) telling me I need to come over for a team event first week in Nov. Should I bring my own food parcels do you think? |
Re: PM Boris
Originally Posted by Atlantic Xpat
(Post 12736176)
Should I bring my own food parcels do you think?
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Re: PM Boris
Originally Posted by dbd33
(Post 12736177)
Will there still be aeroplanes going there or should you take one to Ireland and cross the Boris bridge? You could collect a sheep on the way.
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Originally Posted by Atlantic Xpat
(Post 12736176)
Should I bring my own food parcels do you think?
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Re: PM Boris
Originally Posted by Shard
(Post 12736122)
I'm an ex print Economist subscriber too.
Once I no longer commuted on a comfortable train with a seat though I stopped finding the time. |
Re: PM Boris
Originally Posted by Atlantic Xpat
(Post 12736178)
Getting there, I imagine, should be easy enough from Canada. Fighting your way through the masses attempting to flee the country to seek refugee status on the way back might be more complex!
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Originally Posted by Shard
(Post 12736223)
I will be in the queue !
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Originally Posted by Atlantic Xpat
(Post 12736428)
I'll be at Canada house, where the govt of canada will dispatch helicopters to land in Trafalgar square to whisk us citizens to Brize Norton where a military plane will evacuate us out of the country. :rofl:
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Originally Posted by Atlantic Xpat
(Post 12736428)
I'll be at Canada house, where the govt of canada will dispatch helicopters to land in Trafalgar square to whisk us citizens to Brize Norton where a military plane will evacuate us out of the country. :rofl:
'Deviation... How can you be at Canada House and Trafalgar Square, you cant be in two places at the same time?' 'Ahh..' Croaks Nicholas, 'Absolutely, this is Brexit, and all things are possible..' |
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Originally Posted by dave_j
(Post 12736617)
It's 'Just an Minute', Nicholas Parsons wakes up.... 'Two seconds remaining, what's the objection?'
'Deviation... How can you be at Canada House and Trafalgar Square, you cant be in two places at the same time?' 'Ahh..' Croaks Nicholas, 'Overruled, this is Brexit, and all things are possible..' |
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Originally Posted by Shard
(Post 12736618)
Well, they are the same place :confused:
'I agree..' Judges Nicholas, as the bell announces the end of the minute. |
Re: PM Boris
Originally Posted by Almost Canadian
(Post 12736489)
Brize Norton - that brings back memories.
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Originally Posted by Former Lancastrian
(Post 12736662)
It better be a VC10 that they whisk us back to Canada in.
I don't think that there'll any 'whisking' anywhere if you insist on a VC10. |
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Why a VC10 in the first place?
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Re: PM Boris
Originally Posted by Former Lancastrian
(Post 12736662)
It better be a VC10 that they whisk us back to Canada in.
Apologies to all for the thread drift. |
Re: PM Boris
Originally Posted by dave_j
(Post 12736617)
It's 'Just an Minute', Nicholas Parsons wakes up.... 'Two seconds remaining, what's the objection?'
'Deviation... How can you be at Canada House and Trafalgar Square, you cant be in two places at the same time?' 'Ahh..' Croaks Nicholas, 'Absolutely, this is Brexit, and all things are possible..' https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/british...a573d58163.png |
Re: PM Boris
Originally Posted by Atlantic Xpat
(Post 12736683)
Ahem:
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Re: PM Boris
Originally Posted by Shard
(Post 12736674)
Why a VC10 in the first place?
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Originally Posted by Shard
(Post 12736674)
Why a VC10 in the first place?
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Originally Posted by SultanOfSwing
(Post 12736916)
I quite like(d) the VC10. They would occasionally fly one in to RAF Aldergrove, and my town was kind of on the flight path when they came in over the Irish Sea. Even with heavy and low clouds you knew when one was going over, you could feel it. Love those old RR engines :D
Didn't know there's an Aldergrove in NI. There's a town by that name in BC, Canada, and I always thought that was an original Canadian name. |
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