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London Mike Nov 23rd 2011 12:00 pm

Re: The Occupy Uprising....
 

Originally Posted by Alan2005 (Post 9751032)
I don't think occupy vancouver was achieving anything. It's just that most of these people are living on the streets anyway and so have nothing to lose by doing that very thing somewhere other than the DTES for a change.

A couple of days I saw back to back news stories, one was about there not being enough overnight places for homeless people this winter and the very next one about how the occupiers were being booted out. No dots were joined.

Ditto Occupy Toronto. Someone on the radio this morning had chained himself to some railings in the park and thrown away the key and when asked what he would do when the police came with bolt croppers to free him (aka evict) he said that "he was not afraid of police brutality and aggression". Umm, how the **** else are you going to leave so that you can hunt/gather some more lentils to feed yourself, I did wonder?

Apart from the fact that it would be nice for locals to have their park back for Xmas, I did think that the city should leave these goons chained to the fence in the park until it becomes 20 below. Then I suspect the keys will be found.

Witness, protest, whatever the hell you want to call it this fizzled out some time ago. It takes a lot to make Bob Ford look virtuous but this movement is getting there.

Jingsamichty Nov 24th 2011 12:09 am

Re: The Occupy Uprising....
 
The real challenge for any movement seeking to change the financial & political landscape is to present their case to the mainstream without attracting and being overrun by the usual rent-a-crusty crowd.

I have real sympathy with some of their aims, but I'm afraid that if your spokesman has matted hair and a lip-ring, then, sorry, but "I'm out".

ultrarunner Nov 24th 2011 12:34 am

Re: The Occupy Uprising....
 

Originally Posted by Jingsamichty (Post 9751915)
I have real sympathy with some of their aims, but I'm afraid that if your spokesman has matted hair and a lip-ring, then, sorry, but "I'm out".

Talk about verbal diarrhea.....judging people by their looks eh, am sure you are adonis or even better Michael Angelo's David

Wicked

Keith Nov 24th 2011 12:52 am

Re: The Occupy Uprising....
 

Originally Posted by ultrarunner (Post 9751965)
Talk about verbal diarrhea.....judging people by their looks eh, am sure you are adonis or even better Michael Angelo's David

Wicked

Until they organise themselves and present a creditable list of proposals the majority of us 99% will not take them seriously. And yes many people do not take to a poorly presented person as a spokesperson.

The occupy movement was a complete failure and perhaps some of those protesters will get a life and hopefully a job and start contributing to society.

ultrarunner Nov 24th 2011 12:59 am

Re: The Occupy Uprising....
 

Originally Posted by Keith (Post 9751990)
Until they organise themselves and present a creditable list of proposals the majority of us 99% will not take them seriously. And yes many people do not take to a poorly presented person as a spokesperson.

The occupy movement was a complete failure and perhaps some of those protesters will get a life and hopefully a job and start contributing to society.


Many people.....love how you took it upon yourself to speak for all eh

You do realize this forum is not a representation of the Canadian society in general?

Keith Nov 24th 2011 1:57 am

Re: The Occupy Uprising....
 

Originally Posted by ultrarunner (Post 9751999)
Many people.....love how you took it upon yourself to speak for all eh

You do realize this forum is not a representation of the Canadian society in general?

A picture they say is worth a thousand words. Unfortunately the pictures you posted didn't convince me that these protesters were doing anything new.

Where were all the protesters yesterday outside of the NCC offices? I suppose they were either getting a room for the night at the Misson or looking for their next fix.

dbd33 Nov 24th 2011 2:24 am

Re: The Occupy Uprising....
 

Originally Posted by ultrarunner (Post 9751999)
You do realize this forum is not a representation of the Canadian society in general?

In what way is it not? It's largely comprised of immigrants, some of whom speak French, it includes correspondents from across the country, a diverse range of political opinion is offered, and by-and-large the posters have had enough of the occupiers. This is Canada at its best.

Jingsamichty Nov 24th 2011 2:34 am

Re: The Occupy Uprising....
 

Originally Posted by ultrarunner (Post 9751965)
Talk about verbal diarrhea.....judging people by their looks eh, am sure you are adonis or even better Michael Angelo's David

Wicked

<shakes head>

Has ultrarunner just accused me of having verbal diarrhea?

:rofl:

So you don't agree with judging people by their looks, eh? How far would you progress in the Army if you had a lip ring and purple matted dreadlocks? Mind you, it is the Canadian Army, perhaps their standards are lower.

ultrarunner Nov 24th 2011 2:44 am

Re: The Occupy Uprising....
 

Originally Posted by dbd33 (Post 9752107)
In what way is it not? It's largely comprised of immigrants, some of whom speak French, it includes correspondents from across the country, a diverse range of political opinion is offered, and by-and-large the posters have had enough of the occupiers. This is Canada at its best.


And then you woke up

ultrarunner Nov 24th 2011 2:48 am

Re: The Occupy Uprising....
 

Originally Posted by Jingsamichty (Post 9752122)
<shakes head>

Has ultrarunner just accused me of having verbal diarrhea?

:rofl:

So you don't agree with judging people by their looks, eh? How far would you progress in the Army if you had a lip ring and purple matted dreadlocks? Mind you, it is the Canadian Army, perhaps their standards are lower.

Here is a shocker for you or not....I have a fella of the Sikh faith in my troop. When I write his performance report, that has no inclination on my judgement of his work or character

The British army still treats the Gurkhas like shite

Jingsamichty Nov 24th 2011 2:53 am

Re: The Occupy Uprising....
 

Originally Posted by ultrarunner (Post 9752143)
Here is a shocker for you or not....I have a fella of the Sikh faith in my troop. When I write his performance report, that has no inclination on my judgement of his work or character

The British army still treats the Gurkhas like shite

Well, I'm humbled by your magnanimity and tolerance. Your troops sound like they are blessed to have such a remarkable leader as you.

el_richo Nov 24th 2011 2:57 am

Re: The Occupy Uprising....
 

Originally Posted by ultrarunner (Post 9751999)
Many people.....love how you took it upon yourself to speak for all eh

You do realize this forum is not a representation of the Canadian society in general?

Many does not = All ;)

The Canadians i know do not take them seriously and some just don't give a shit.


Originally Posted by Jingsamichty (Post 9752122)
So you don't agree with judging people by their looks, eh? How far would you progress in the Army if you had a lip ring and purple matted dreadlocks?


Originally Posted by ultrarunner (Post 9752143)
Here is a shocker for you or not....I have a fella of the Sikh faith in my troop. When I write his performance report, that has no inclination on my judgement of his work or character

The British army still treats the Gurkhas like shite

I don't believe you answered the question.

What has a "fella of the Sikh faith" to do with anything? Do you let him play with your gadget?

Almost Canadian Nov 24th 2011 2:58 am

Re: The Occupy Uprising....
 

Originally Posted by ultrarunner (Post 9752143)
Here is a shocker for you or not....I have a fella of the Sikh faith in my troop. When I write his performance report, that has no inclination on my judgement of his work or character

The British army still treats the Gurkhas like shite

Really? Having worked alongside them, I would completely dispute this. I appreciate that there are arguments that the British Government treats them poorly but, on what evidence, do you base your comment?

ultrarunner Nov 24th 2011 3:10 am

Re: The Occupy Uprising....
 

Originally Posted by el_richo (Post 9752154)
Many does not = All ;)

The Canadians i know do not take them seriously and some just don't give a shit.





I don't believe you answered the question.

What has a "fella of the Sikh faith" to do with anything? Do you let him play with your gadget?


Go back and read the post I answered to....He mentioned dread locks, I mentioned Turban subliminally( Sikh faith ) get it now? The guy is special forces and get to wear his Turban

Oh...It's "Canadians I know....." ;)

The ones you know am sure don't speak for the rest

ultrarunner Nov 24th 2011 3:12 am

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Originally Posted by Almost Canadian (Post 9752155)
Really? Having worked alongside them, I would completely dispute this. I appreciate that there are arguments that the British Government treats them poorly but, on what evidence, do you base your comment?

I was in Afghanistan and interacted with them on my tours....

I have been on numerous exercises in Canada, where they have been present.


Originally Posted by Jingsamichty (Post 9752149)
Well, I'm humbled by your magnanimity and tolerance. Your troops sound like they are blessed to have such a remarkable leader as you.

We can't all be from the Enoch Powell school of thought right ? ;)

Alan2005 Nov 24th 2011 3:17 am

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The more radical an idea you want to present to the public the more smartly you have to dress. This isn't a new idea - friends of the earth learnt this when their head guy started turning up to TV interviews in a suit in the 70's or maybe the 80's.

I don't think this is necessarily right - more just the way it is.

ultrarunner Nov 24th 2011 3:20 am

Re: The Occupy Uprising....
 

Originally Posted by Alan2005 (Post 9752189)
The more radical an idea you want to present to the public the more smartly you have to dress. This isn't a new idea - friends of the earth learnt this when their head guy started turning up to TV interviews in a suit in the 70's or maybe the 80's.

I don't think this is necessarily right - more just the way it is.

So what you are saying is...."You are what you wear"?

Jingsamichty Nov 24th 2011 3:22 am

Re: The Occupy Uprising....
 

Originally Posted by ultrarunner (Post 9752193)
So what you are saying is...."You are what you wear"?

More like "Understand how your enemy thinks"

But you should have already known that.

Almost Canadian Nov 24th 2011 3:23 am

Re: The Occupy Uprising....
 

Originally Posted by ultrarunner (Post 9752180)
I was in Afghanistan and interacted with them on my tours....

I have been on numerous exercises in Canada, where they have been present.

OK. In what way were they treated differently to any other infantry soldier?

Almost Canadian Nov 24th 2011 3:23 am

Re: The Occupy Uprising....
 

Originally Posted by ultrarunner (Post 9752176)
Go back and read the post I answered to....He mentioned dread locks, I mentioned Turban subliminally( Sikh faith ) get it now? The guy is special forces and get to wear his Turban
Oh...It's "Canadians I know....." ;)

The ones you know am sure don't speak for the rest

In theatre?

ultrarunner Nov 24th 2011 3:27 am

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Originally Posted by Almost Canadian (Post 9752205)
In theatre?

Shocker ain't it? No in your bedroom


Originally Posted by Almost Canadian (Post 9752200)
OK. In what way were they treated differently to any other infantry soldier?

Seriously....a similar combat arms soldier from the U.K? You must be the only one that doesn't know that answer. You don't even need to hack the Gov't phone to know that one

Alan2005 Nov 24th 2011 3:27 am

Re: The Occupy Uprising....
 

Originally Posted by Jingsamichty (Post 9752197)
More like "Understand how your enemy thinks"

But you should have already known that.

Yeah, this. It's all about branding.

Tangram Nov 24th 2011 3:35 am

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I have to take my hat off, it's quite an achievement. UR manages to mention something to do with forces, big bad army dudes, guns etc in about 1 out of 5 posts in general.

It's quite laudable.

JamesM Nov 24th 2011 3:36 am

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Originally Posted by Tangram (Post 9752215)
I have to take my hat off, it's quite an achievement. UR manages to mention something to do with forces, big bad army dudes, guns etc in 1 out or 5 posts in general.

It's quite laudable.

I've been trying to work out what his profession is?

Tangram Nov 24th 2011 3:37 am

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Originally Posted by JamesM (Post 9752217)
I've been trying to work out what his profession is?

We'll just never know I'm afraid.

JamesM Nov 24th 2011 3:45 am

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Originally Posted by Tangram (Post 9752221)
We'll just never know I'm afraid.

He camouflages it so well.

One of the forum's great mysteries.

ultrarunner Nov 24th 2011 3:47 am

Re: The Occupy Uprising....
 
Are you still talkin'? :eek:

Tangram Nov 24th 2011 3:48 am

Re: The Occupy Uprising....
 

Originally Posted by JamesM (Post 9752235)
He camouflages it

Was that a clue ?

Almost Canadian Nov 24th 2011 3:48 am

Re: The Occupy Uprising....
 

Originally Posted by ultrarunner (Post 9752208)
Shocker ain't it? No in your bedroom

Ok, the special forces people that I know dress appropriately for the situation. It has been famously stated that, "You may dress like an Arab, but you walk like a white man" in a biography of a former SAS man.


Originally Posted by ultrarunner (Post 9752208)
Seriously....a similar combat arms soldier from the U.K? You must be the only one that doesn't know that answer. You don't even need to hack the Gov't phone to know that one

Please explain them to me. When I worked with them, they did guard duty, stag duty, cleaned shit, just as others did.

I appreciate that there is an argument about their pension and their entitlement to remain the UK post service but, as I said above, this appears to me to be a British Government rather than a British Army issue.

I await enlightenment

ultrarunner Nov 24th 2011 3:50 am

Re: The Occupy Uprising....
 

Originally Posted by Almost Canadian (Post 9752241)
Ok, the special forces people that I know dress appropriately for the situation. It has been famously stated that, "You may dress like an Arab, but you walk like a white man" in a biography of a former SAS man.



Please explain them to me. When I worked with them, they did guard duty, stag duty, cleaned shit, just as others did.

I appreciate that there is an argument about their pension and their entitlement to remain the UK post service but, as I said above, this appears to me to be a British Government rather than a British Army issue.

I await enlightenment


So we are passing the blame now...shocker that

New flash...British Army doesn't look after it's own. That will explain the recent influx in numbers of exchange officers joining the CF

el_richo Nov 24th 2011 3:54 am

Re: The Occupy Uprising....
 

Originally Posted by ultrarunner (Post 9752176)
Go back and read the post I answered to....He mentioned dread locks, I mentioned Turban subliminally( Sikh faith ) get it now? The guy is special forces and get to wear his Turban

Oh...It's "Canadians I know....." ;)

The ones you know am sure don't speak for the rest

The Canadians i know speak for themselves, not the rest. What's your point?

So you confirm this guy would have no issues in joining your team, or the forces in general, without any consideration at all to his looks?

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-eBt8Q7f_je...adlocks_21.jpg

JamesM Nov 24th 2011 3:56 am

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Originally Posted by Tangram (Post 9752239)
Was that a clue ?

As I say to people in the office "I can only deal with facts".

JamesM Nov 24th 2011 3:57 am

Re: The Occupy Uprising....
 

Originally Posted by el_richo (Post 9752250)
The Canadians i know speak for themselves, not the rest. What's your point?

So you confirm this guy would have no issues in joining your team, or the forces in general, without any consideration at all to his looks?

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-eBt8Q7f_je...adlocks_21.jpg

El_Richo

I like you but next time you post a picture of me can you ask first?

dbd33 Nov 24th 2011 3:58 am

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Originally Posted by ultrarunner (Post 9752248)
New flash...British Army doesn't look after it's own. That will explain the recent influx in numbers of exchange officers joining the CF

Even if that is the case, and I've no idea if it is, that's got nothing to do with society in general. One may as well compare the situation of plumbers in the two countries and attempt to extrapolate from that.

Alan2005 Nov 24th 2011 4:02 am

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I think I'm going to defend ur here. His original point about not judging people by how they look is right - everyone knows this. I don't think we should be mocking him because society doesn't live up to this ideal when there are clearly plenty of other things to mock him for.

el_richo Nov 24th 2011 4:05 am

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Originally Posted by JamesM (Post 9752259)
El_Richo

I like you but next time you post a picture of me can you ask first?

And a handsome gentleman you are :o

el_richo Nov 24th 2011 4:13 am

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Originally Posted by Alan2005 (Post 9752265)
I think I'm going to defend ur here. His original point about not judging people by how they look is right - everyone knows this. I don't think we should be mocking him because society doesn't live up to this ideal when there are clearly plenty of other things to mock him for.

It isn't right but it's a fact of life. We're a very visual species.

I'm pretty sure if he had a daughter who brought home a boyfriend who had ginger dreads, a nose ring, lip ring, tattoo's on his face, and wore a hooded top, he'd judge.

:goodpost:

JonboyE Nov 24th 2011 5:22 am

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I suppose my indifference to the Occupy movement is that is that they seem to be protesting about human nature. Human beings are selfish, self-serving and self-interested. Humans seek the power to control their environment in their best interests. In a world of scarce resources power and wealth go hand-in-hand. The only difference between the 1% and the 99% is that the 1% are better at it.

Nothing short of an extermination of overwhelming majority of the world's population and a return to a hunter-gatherer lifestyle is going to change that. A revolution just replaces one tyranny with another.

However, self-interest also allows us to see most of us can benefit from some form of collectivization. Thinking of another thread this morning, I wonder if they had pushed for in inclusion of dentistry and prescription drugs into provincial health plans they would have garnered much more support and might have been in a position to make a real difference in people's lives.

Or would all the people with cooperate sponsored (and corporate serving) extended health plans refuse to pay the extra tax required?

Alan2005 Nov 24th 2011 5:52 am

Re: The Occupy Uprising....
 

Originally Posted by JonboyE (Post 9752398)
I suppose my indifference to the Occupy movement is that is that they seem to be protesting about human nature. Human beings are selfish, self-serving and self-interested. Humans seek the power to control their environment in their best interests. In a world of scarce resources power and wealth go hand-in-hand. The only difference between the 1% and the 99% is that the 1% are better at it.

Nothing short of an extermination of overwhelming majority of the world's population and a return to a hunter-gatherer lifestyle is going to change that. A revolution just replaces one tyranny with another.

However, self-interest also allows us to see most of us can benefit from some form of collectivization. Thinking of another thread this morning, I wonder if they had pushed for in inclusion of dentistry and prescription drugs into provincial health plans they would have garnered much more support and might have been in a position to make a real difference in people's lives.

Or would all the people with cooperate sponsored (and corporate serving) extended health plans refuse to pay the extra tax required?

Possibly. I tend to think the movement, in the US at least, is about fairness rather than equality. But maybe that's me just seeing what I want to see based on my world view rather than the reality. It does seem that the people protesting in Vancouver are worlds apart from those protesting in the cities around the US though.

Oink Nov 24th 2011 5:58 am

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Sod the smelly hippies, this will get their attention. Nothing will be achieved until they have guns, bullets and bombs plus 40% unemployment.


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