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Re: The Occupy Uprising....
Originally Posted by dbd33
(Post 9740827)
No, just a lack of adulation, or even admiration, for the rich.
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Re: The Occupy Uprising....
Originally Posted by Alan2005
(Post 9740825)
That's easy. You take from those who've got that way through criminality.
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Re: The Occupy Uprising....
Originally Posted by Almost Canadian
(Post 9740853)
I thought all but the rich despise the rich. Who admires them?
I confess to having admired, and been inspired by, Tom Vu. |
Re: The Occupy Uprising....
Originally Posted by Almost Canadian
(Post 9740693)
What about those that have worked in the public sector all their lives, have never moved country except when offered a job with a substantial pay increase, and have properties on two different continents? One suspects that, if such an example was given to those protesting at the Occupy protests, such a person would be deemed too greedy, should feel ashamed and have to give some back to those less well off. We all know that this isn't the case and that it was all deserved. But since my private affairs are none of your f**king business, I won't be providing details. |
Re: The Occupy Uprising....
Originally Posted by Novocastrian
(Post 9741025)
If that's supposed to be a stealth ad hominem attack aimed toward me, which I suspect, I'll just say that your assertions are both incorrect and very incomplete.
But since my private affairs are none of your f**king business, I won't be providing details. I am confident that few of the regulars on here would ever assert that I wish to attack anyone by stealth. If I have something to say, I say it. One does wonder, though, how the occupiers would react to the red highlighted portion above, if it was said to them by one of the alleged 1%:p |
Re: The Occupy Uprising....
Originally Posted by Almost Canadian
(Post 9741050)
One does wonder, though, how the occupiers would react to the red highlighted portion above, if it was said to them by one of the alleged 1%:p
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Re: The Occupy Uprising....
Originally Posted by Novocastrian
(Post 9741063)
If they were told to whom the portion was directed, I should imagine they'd applaud.
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Re: The Occupy Uprising....
Originally Posted by Alan2005
(Post 9740660)
For the crazy people on this thread who don't seem to understand what injustice is:-
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics...louts-20111117 Another RS article definitely worth a read. No wonder Roger Ailes needs a security posse. http://www.rollingstone.com/politics...ctory-20110525 |
Re: The Occupy Uprising....
Originally Posted by Novocastrian
(Post 9741025)
If that's supposed to be a stealth ad hominem attack aimed toward me, which I suspect, I'll just say that your assertions are both incorrect and very incomplete.
But since my private affairs are none of your f**king business, I won't be providing details. |
Re: The Occupy Uprising....
Originally Posted by bandrui
(Post 9741568)
It's insanity. It's precisely double standards like these that people are fed up with and speaking out about.
Another RS article definitely worth a read. No wonder Roger Ailes needs a security posse. http://www.rollingstone.com/politics...ctory-20110525 http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/no...ers-ideas-bank From random springs they are now seeking a common direction. I've not been around as long as many of you but do you think there is a political opportunity after the working class were abandoned some what by "new" Labour in the UK? |
Re: The Occupy Uprising....
Just posted this over at the Trailer Park FYI -
A well-known Washington lobbying firm with links to the financial industry has proposed an $850,000 plan to take on Occupy Wall Street and politicians who might express sympathy for the protests, according to a memo obtained by the MSNBC program “Up w/ Chris Hayes.†The proposal was written on the letterhead of the lobbying firm Clark Lytle Geduldig & Cranford and addressed to one of CLGC’s clients, the American Bankers Association. CLGC’s memo proposes that the ABA pay CLGC $850,000 to conduct “opposition research†on Occupy Wall Street in order to construct “negative narratives†about the protests and allied politicians. The memo also asserts that Democratic victories in 2012 would be detrimental for Wall Street and targets specific races in which it says Wall Street would benefit by electing Republicans instead. MSNBC Report |
Re: The Occupy Uprising....
Bye bye smelly Toronto campers. Time to:thumbsup: go.
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Re: The Occupy Uprising....
Originally Posted by magnumpi
(Post 9745746)
Bye bye smelly Toronto campers. Time to:thumbsup: go.
Cheerio, cheerio cheerio,....cheerio cheerio cheerioooooooooo......:lol: |
Re: The Occupy Uprising....
Originally Posted by JamesM
(Post 9744261)
The movement is gaining momentum.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/no...ers-ideas-bank From random springs they are now seeking a common direction. I've not been around as long as many of you but do you think there is a political opportunity after the working class were abandoned some what by "new" Labour in the UK? Without a clear and shared ideological vision any 'opportunity' will be gathered up, consumed and reconstituted for its own interests by the corporate ruling power. |
Re: The Occupy Uprising....
Originally Posted by Oink
(Post 9745791)
Since the beginning of Ramsay MacDonald's leadership, the Labour Party as a whole abandoned the working class for parliamentary expediency. New Labour was just another corrosive drop in the history of its alkaline treachery.
Without a clear and shared ideological vision any 'opportunity' will be gathered up, consumed and reconstituted for its own interests by the corporate ruling power. |
Re: The Occupy Uprising....
Originally Posted by Almost Canadian
(Post 9745880)
Are corporations allowed to vote, or are you arguing that members of the electorate are so stupid that they don't realise the world is run for the benefit of corporations and not for their benefit?
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Re: The Occupy Uprising....
Originally Posted by Oink
(Post 9745938)
No, I was simply trying to answer the question of whether I believe that from the Occupy movement there will manifest an opportunity for substantive political change. Don't try and twist the meaning of my post to fill a sophomoric need for conflict.
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Re: The Occupy Uprising....
Originally Posted by Almost Canadian
(Post 9745953)
I wasn't trying to twist anything. I simply cannot understand how corporations can be the "ruling power" as you described them, without an ability to vote. I guess that it the end of that debate.
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Re: The Occupy Uprising....
Originally Posted by Almost Canadian
(Post 9745953)
I wasn't trying to twist anything. I simply cannot understand how corporations can be the "ruling power" as you described them, without an ability to vote. I guess that is the end of that debate.
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Re: The Occupy Uprising....
Originally Posted by Alan2005
(Post 9745959)
It's not all corporations - it's some corporations. And they don't need to vote when they can purchase.
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Re: The Occupy Uprising....
Originally Posted by Almost Canadian
(Post 9746006)
I understand that they can purchase power, but I don't understand why the electorate don't vote out the politicians that they believe are bought by corporations and vote in those they believe will represent the "man on the street". Until that happens, nothing will change until heads are on sticks.
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Re: The Occupy Uprising....
Originally Posted by Almost Canadian
(Post 9746006)
I understand that they can purchase power, but I don't understand why the electorate don't vote out the politicians that they believe are bought by corporations and vote in those they believe will represent the "man on the street". Until that happens, nothing will change until heads are on sticks.
"Man on the street" you say? Vancouver plans to do something about it http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Vis...798/story.html |
Re: The Occupy Uprising....
Originally Posted by Almost Canadian
(Post 9745880)
Are corporations allowed to vote, or are you arguing that members of the electorate are so stupid that they don't realise the world is run for the benefit of corporations and not for their benefit?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...=FBCNETTXT9038 |
Re: The Occupy Uprising....
Originally Posted by Alan2005
(Post 9746063)
Because most people don't care that their politicians are bought until it affects them.
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Re: The Occupy Uprising....
Originally Posted by JamesM
(Post 9746116)
Apparently in some circumstances Corporations are allowed to vote:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...=FBCNETTXT9038 |
Re: The Occupy Uprising....
Originally Posted by Almost Canadian
(Post 9746231)
Thank you for that. I had no idea such an anomoly existed.
I can't imagine many Briton's know about this. |
Re: The Occupy Uprising....
Originally Posted by Almost Canadian
(Post 9746227)
And therein lies the problem;)
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Re: The Occupy Uprising....
Originally Posted by JamesM
(Post 9746116)
Apparently in some circumstances Corporations are allowed to vote:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...=FBCNETTXT9038 |
Re: The Occupy Uprising....
Originally Posted by Alan2005
(Post 9746240)
Sure. But therein lies the solution too.
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Re: The Occupy Uprising....
Originally Posted by Almost Canadian
(Post 9746252)
If they can be bothered:p
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Re: The Occupy Uprising....
Originally Posted by JamesM
(Post 9746116)
Apparently in some circumstances Corporations are allowed to vote:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...=FBCNETTXT9038
Originally Posted by Almost Canadian
(Post 9746231)
Thank you for that. I had no idea such an anomoly existed.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...hy-of-cornwall |
Re: The Occupy Uprising....
Originally Posted by Alan2005
(Post 9746256)
More of a "when", but yes - ultimately that's it. OWS people can be bothered, but most people are like boiled frogs and don't care until it's too late.
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Re: The Occupy Uprising....
Originally Posted by ultrarunner
(Post 9746806)
What makes frogs so special, any different from boiled rabbits or escargot?
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Re: The Occupy Uprising....
Mayor ford is telling the occupy folks to take a LEAF from the Ottawa folks book, and move on
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Re: The Occupy Uprising....
The Occupy Vancouver protest decided to camp out in an Eastide park so they could engage with the 99%.
The 99% told them to **** off. |
Re: The Occupy Uprising....
Originally Posted by JonboyE
(Post 9750871)
The Occupy Vancouver protest decided to camp out in an Eastide park so they could engage with the 99%.
The 99% told them to **** off. |
Re: The Occupy Uprising....
Originally Posted by Alan2005
(Post 9750905)
As Occupy Vancouver is mostly homeless people from the DTES they could just go back and occupy some back alleys or shop door ways. Nobody would take out an injunction then as long as they stayed out of sight like all decent homeless people should.
Anyway, things are moving on. Google "Occupy Christmas" for next month's fun and games. |
Re: The Occupy Uprising....
Originally Posted by Alan2005
(Post 9750905)
As Occupy Vancouver is mostly homeless people from the DTES they could just go back and occupy some back alleys or shop door ways. Nobody would take out an injunction then as long as they stayed out of sight like all decent homeless people should.
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Re: The Occupy Uprising....
Originally Posted by JonboyE
(Post 9750935)
I don't disagree that there is plenty to protest about. Just that I don't see how depriving kids from a relatively poor area the use of their local park sticks it to corporate elite.
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Re: The Occupy Uprising....
Originally Posted by JonboyE
(Post 9750935)
I don't disagree that there is plenty to protest about. Just that I don't see how depriving kids from a relatively poor area the use of their local park sticks it to corporate elite.
A couple of days I saw back to back news stories, one was about there not being enough overnight places for homeless people this winter and the very next one about how the occupiers were being booted out. No dots were joined. |
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