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Theresa May



27
45.00%
Anyone BUT !



33
55.00%
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June 8th poll
#137
That is my guesstimate.
Basically we keep free trade but also accept free movement.
We no longer partake in the EU parliament or it's affairs. Their laws are not our laws although I suspect as is the case with most things we'd have to adapt their laws to do business with them so we'd take on laws we now have no say in.
You may know a lot more about the law aspect than I given your profession.
Basically we keep free trade but also accept free movement.
We no longer partake in the EU parliament or it's affairs. Their laws are not our laws although I suspect as is the case with most things we'd have to adapt their laws to do business with them so we'd take on laws we now have no say in.
You may know a lot more about the law aspect than I given your profession.
#138
In order to call an election they have to get the consent of the opposition (Fixed Election Act), and if Labour's got any sense they'll realize that people are sick of elections so they won't let the Tories call one. And obviously the Tories are only going to call one if it's to their advantage, so why would Labour consent?
That was always the case. Imx the EU takes close to two years to make minor changes to a Directive, so Brexit will take ages. I don't think May really believed she would get a thumping majority, it was more about having more time after the European Council decided to negotiate the FTA after the Brexit negotiations.
What was always going to happen imo is that the UK will end up in some sort of quasi-EEA relationship with the EU, similar to Switzerland and they'll have to agree some sort of hard quota on permanent immigration from the EU, because Switzerland wants that too.
They won't want to amend the Lisbon Treaty but given the choice between agreeing to an immigration quota and endless years of uncertainty, I think they'll cave in eventually. It'll probably be a fairly high quota like 150,000 in order to get agreement but it just solves the whole thing quickly and fairly painlessly and ticks the two main boxes - no longer in the EU, yes, controls on immigration, yes.
I think the dimension that people keep missing here is the Swiss factor and also that the EU wants to get other countries to join the EU and they all want immigration quotas, I think Albania already is in the EEA and has an immigration quota.
So they've got to figure out a mechanism for doing it, Brexit or no.
The cost to the UK though is no longer being part of the EU Govt. while still being subject to the ECJ and still having to contribute to the EU budget. Which is far from painless and frankly the EU wins overall, which is why they'll be able to sell it to the public.
Brexit, if it happens, will take years and years.
What was always going to happen imo is that the UK will end up in some sort of quasi-EEA relationship with the EU, similar to Switzerland and they'll have to agree some sort of hard quota on permanent immigration from the EU, because Switzerland wants that too.
They won't want to amend the Lisbon Treaty but given the choice between agreeing to an immigration quota and endless years of uncertainty, I think they'll cave in eventually. It'll probably be a fairly high quota like 150,000 in order to get agreement but it just solves the whole thing quickly and fairly painlessly and ticks the two main boxes - no longer in the EU, yes, controls on immigration, yes.
I think the dimension that people keep missing here is the Swiss factor and also that the EU wants to get other countries to join the EU and they all want immigration quotas, I think Albania already is in the EEA and has an immigration quota.
So they've got to figure out a mechanism for doing it, Brexit or no.
The cost to the UK though is no longer being part of the EU Govt. while still being subject to the ECJ and still having to contribute to the EU budget. Which is far from painless and frankly the EU wins overall, which is why they'll be able to sell it to the public.
#139
That is my guesstimate.
Basically we keep free trade but also accept free movement.
We no longer partake in the EU parliament or it's affairs. Their laws are not our laws although I suspect as is the case with most things we'd have to adapt their laws to do business with them so we'd take on laws we now have no say in.
You may know a lot more about the law aspect than I given your profession.
Basically we keep free trade but also accept free movement.
We no longer partake in the EU parliament or it's affairs. Their laws are not our laws although I suspect as is the case with most things we'd have to adapt their laws to do business with them so we'd take on laws we now have no say in.
You may know a lot more about the law aspect than I given your profession.
#140
Well, the law aspect will be dealt with by whatever the parties agree to. But, if soft Brexit is basically being in the EU without having a say about how the laws are made, how can anyone seriously suggest that and state that that is what was voted for in the referendum with any sense of credibility?
The whole thing revolves around immigration as far as I can see, if the EU is willing to concede to a quota then the UK can give lots of ground on everything else and still save face.
#141
Oh I think you can, because even David Davis said the general election would decide how Brexit would go - well how else do you interpret it other than a vote for a soft Brexit?
The whole thing revolves around immigration as far as I can see, if the EU is willing to concede to a quota then the UK can give lots of ground on everything else and still save face.
The whole thing revolves around immigration as far as I can see, if the EU is willing to concede to a quota then the UK can give lots of ground on everything else and still save face.
I get that, post referendum result, the remainers then attempted to suggest that leaving the EU didn't actually mean leaving the EU.
#143
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Absolutely nobody is talking about threatening our place in the Single Market. (Daniel Hannan MEP)
Only a madman would actually leave the Market. (Owen Paterson MP, Vote Leave backer)
Wouldn’t it be terrible if we were really like Norway and Switzerland? Really? They’re rich. They’re happy. They’re self-governing. (Nigel Farage, Ukip leader)
The Norwegian option, the EEA option, I think that it might be initially attractive for some business people. (Matthew Elliot, Vote Leave chief executive)
Increasingly, the Norway option looks the best for the UK. (Arron Banks, Leave.EU founder)
#144
It's all very well talking about Swiss this and Norway that, but none of this matters. Have we forgotten the decades during which the conservatives have torn themselves apart more than once because there is a hard core that is profoundly anti EU?
The niceties of whether the single market is retained or whether the minutiae of how many immigrants is one that they can persuade the party to agree to matters not a jot. It'll be hard politics and May or her successor will have to fight the men in grey suits as well as the EU bureacracy.
My feeling is that this is a task too far. Either Whitehall and the government will cave in under the pressure or the shutters will come down and, to misquote Churchill, "From Helsinki in the Baltic to Athens in the Adriatic, an inflexible curtain has descended across the continent."
The niceties of whether the single market is retained or whether the minutiae of how many immigrants is one that they can persuade the party to agree to matters not a jot. It'll be hard politics and May or her successor will have to fight the men in grey suits as well as the EU bureacracy.
My feeling is that this is a task too far. Either Whitehall and the government will cave in under the pressure or the shutters will come down and, to misquote Churchill, "From Helsinki in the Baltic to Athens in the Adriatic, an inflexible curtain has descended across the continent."
#147
These ones?
Absolutely nobody is talking about threatening our place in the Single Market. (Daniel Hannan MEP)
Only a madman would actually leave the Market. (Owen Paterson MP, Vote Leave backer)
Wouldn’t it be terrible if we were really like Norway and Switzerland? Really? They’re rich. They’re happy. They’re self-governing. (Nigel Farage, Ukip leader)
The Norwegian option, the EEA option, I think that it might be initially attractive for some business people. (Matthew Elliot, Vote Leave chief executive)
Increasingly, the Norway option looks the best for the UK. (Arron Banks, Leave.EU founder)
Absolutely nobody is talking about threatening our place in the Single Market. (Daniel Hannan MEP)
Only a madman would actually leave the Market. (Owen Paterson MP, Vote Leave backer)
Wouldn’t it be terrible if we were really like Norway and Switzerland? Really? They’re rich. They’re happy. They’re self-governing. (Nigel Farage, Ukip leader)
The Norwegian option, the EEA option, I think that it might be initially attractive for some business people. (Matthew Elliot, Vote Leave chief executive)
Increasingly, the Norway option looks the best for the UK. (Arron Banks, Leave.EU founder)

I think everyone is missing the main point of all of this, which is that Newcastle beat Sunderland. The rest is just about Madmen* leading the Blind.
*Mad women too.
#148
Christmas? I don't think May herself will last the summer, if this month. She's basically on life support until the Brexit talks start, and as you point out, they are going to take years to conclude. What's been evident from May's campaign is how inept her judgement has been from day one of her appointment as PM. If the Conservatives move toward a more cooperative/collaborative approach to Brexit, that will be a good thing.



