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mdizzle Aug 11th 2014 10:18 am

Re: if the scots go, do you care?
 

Originally Posted by jimf (Post 11364704)
In the event of a yes vote and no agreement on a sterling zone (absolutely not an option) then according to Salmond Scotland would continue to use the pound sterling. At present Scottish banks are allowed to print their own notes (unlike the English banks) which will have to stop after independence. So post independence Bank of England produced currency would be circulated in Scotland. That's independence eh......

Independent Scotland would use pound 'come what may', says Alex Salmond | Politics | The Guardian

'Absolutely not an option'. Why is this not an option? As your own article states, it would be the option which makes economic sense for both parties. The only reason the UK would refuse a currency union would be out of pure spite. Can't see it happening.

Good piece on currency issue: http://www.businessforscotland.co.uk...cottish-pound/

jimf Aug 11th 2014 4:11 pm

Re: if the scots go, do you care?
 

Originally Posted by mdizzle (Post 11365831)
'Absolutely not an option'. Why is this not an option? As your own article states, it would be the option which makes economic sense for both parties. The only reason the UK would refuse a currency union would be out of pure spite. Can't see it happening.

Good piece on currency issue: Euro, Pound Sterling or Scottish Pound? : Business for Scotland.

There is absolutely no logical reason for the rUK to adopt a currency union with iScotland. If a currency union is the desired option then that is provided for by the present constitutional arrangements.

Shard Aug 11th 2014 10:20 pm

Re: if the scots go, do you care?
 

Originally Posted by jimf (Post 11366078)
There is absolutely no logical reason for the rUK to adopt a currency union with iScotland. If a currency union is the desired option then that is provided for by the present constitutional arrangements.

+1

jimf Aug 12th 2014 6:48 am

Re: if the scots go, do you care?
 

Originally Posted by Shard (Post 11366326)
+1

It's a simple choice.........

Peter Jones: Independence or the pound - which? - The Scotsman

Oakvillian Aug 12th 2014 7:38 am

Re: if the scots go, do you care?
 

Originally Posted by jimf (Post 11366833)

Good article. The currency issue seems to have really ignited the debate in the last few weeks, after being largely ignored for months except in some fairly esoteric economic discussions. I love that Wee Eck prattles on about the "sovereign wish of the Scottish people" without giving a thought to the possibility that there's a bunch more people south of the border whose sovereign wish has not been expressed at all.

If Scotland separates, and the Scottish taxpayer no longer contributes to the UK exchequer, then there is no earthly reason why the Bank of England (backed by UK tax revenues as required) would prop up a Scottish bank collapse. Nor, without a central bank of their own, would it be easy for Scotland to stave off the financial ratings agencies, with credit status downgraded and interest rates pushed up fairly quickly after independence.

So, either a client currency of the rUK, or the "Scottish Pound" printed by the RBS (82% owned by the British government), BOS (a subsidiary of Lloyds) and Clydesdale (a subsidiary of the National Australia Bank), pegged at 1:1 with the UK pound, but with minimal central bank support. A hike in interest rates as currency speculators and foreign creditors become concerned for Scotland's ability to honour its debts. Increasing fiscal policy nightmares in keeping the Scottish pound pegged at par. Hyperinflation and ignominious devaluation to follow?

The Nats can't have it both ways. If they want independence, then bloody well man up and accept that a significant consequence of political disunion is currency disunion. It is not feasible to have one without the other.

neilcumming Aug 12th 2014 8:34 am

Re: if the scots go, do you care?
 

Originally Posted by jimf (Post 11364704)
In the event of a yes vote and no agreement on a sterling zone (absolutely not an option) then according to Salmond Scotland would continue to use the pound sterling. At present Scottish banks are allowed to print their own notes (unlike the English banks) which will have to stop after independence. So post independence Bank of England produced currency would be circulated in Scotland. That's independence eh......

Independent Scotland would use pound 'come what may', says Alex Salmond | Politics | The Guardian

Bank of England notes are already in use in Scotland and accepted with no problem but as a member of the audience said in the televised debate ,try paying a London cabbie with a scottish 20 pound note and see how far you get but hey we are a union eh.

jimf Aug 12th 2014 9:01 am

Re: if the scots go, do you care?
 

Originally Posted by neilcumming (Post 11366947)
Bank of England notes are already in use in Scotland and accepted with no problem but as a member of the audience said in the televised debate ,try paying a London cabbie with a scottish 20 pound note and see how far you get but hey we are a union eh.

A modest dose of reality.........

Scottish Banknotes Legal Position - The Committee of Scottish Bankers (CSCB)

Hawk13 Aug 12th 2014 10:42 am

Re: if the scots go, do you care?
 

Originally Posted by jimf (Post 11366078)
There is absolutely no logical reason for the rUK to adopt a currency union with iScotland. If a currency union is the desired option then that is provided for by the present constitutional arrangements.


Originally Posted by Oakvillian (Post 11366883)
The Nats can't have it both ways. If they want independence, then bloody well man up and accept that a significant consequence of political disunion is currency disunion. It is not feasible to have one without the other.

Let's say the vote goes "Yes" and Scotland separates. We all get that the currency issue will be an issue but do you think that if it happens nothing will happen to the "British pound" and it will merrily chug along?

MarkG Aug 12th 2014 10:48 am

Re: if the scots go, do you care?
 

Originally Posted by Hawk13 (Post 11367041)
Let's say the vote goes "Yes" and Scotland separates. We all get that the currency issue will be an issue but do you think that if it happens nothing will happen to the "British pound" and it will merrily chug along?

Pretty much. It may go up or down a few cents, but it's not suddenly going to be worth $5 or $0.50 just because there's now a border along Hadrian's Wall again.

Besides, the whole 'currency union' thing is silly when the Nats want 'independent' Scotland to rejoin the EU, which would require signing up to adopt the Euro ASAP.

jimf Aug 12th 2014 11:03 am

Re: if the scots go, do you care?
 

Originally Posted by MarkG (Post 11367049)
Pretty much. It may go up or down a few cents, but it's not suddenly going to be worth $5 or $0.50 just because there's now a border along Hadrian's Wall again.

Besides, the whole 'currency union' thing is silly when the Nats want 'independent' Scotland to rejoin the EU, which would require signing up to adopt the Euro ASAP.

I seem to recall reading that a country wishing to join the Euro has to track the Euro for a few years. This requires the country to have it's own currency and central bank. iScotland would have to establish it's own currency first.

Shard Aug 12th 2014 1:38 pm

Re: if the scots go, do you care?
 
Is Salmond desperate or duplicitous? As a former economist he would know that currency union, though possible, is a stretch, but he is hell-bent on providing a popular solution to the voters. He knows that losing the pound would be a tangible "disadvantage" for many uncertain Scots, so is now obsessed with presenting the pound as something which will be retained. This aspect of the debate is becoming surreal.

Hawk13 Aug 13th 2014 2:33 am

Re: if the scots go, do you care?
 

Originally Posted by MarkG (Post 11367049)
Pretty much. It may go up or down a few cents, but it's not suddenly going to be worth $5 or $0.50 just because there's now a border along Hadrian's Wall again..

To each their own but I don't think so.

jimf Aug 13th 2014 2:47 am

Re: if the scots go, do you care?
 

Originally Posted by Hawk13 (Post 11367041)
Let's say the vote goes "Yes" and Scotland separates. We all get that the currency issue will be an issue but do you think that if it happens nothing will happen to the "British pound" and it will merrily chug along?

What are you anticipating would happen?

iaink Aug 13th 2014 2:47 am

Re: if the scots go, do you care?
 
Salmonds position appears to be that London and the EU are bluffing about Scotland not being able to go forward with either the pound or the Euro in the event of independence.

He doesn't appear to have a plan B

Does this seem like a rational basis to appeal to voters that you are the leader they need to take them into this brave new independent world? "Its a bluff, no, really it is" Jesus. God help them if they are stupid enough to vote for independence based on that... But then the whole "Yes" vote seems to be based an emotional appeal rather than rationality.

MarkG Aug 13th 2014 3:19 am

Re: if the scots go, do you care?
 

Originally Posted by Hawk13 (Post 11367789)
To each their own but I don't think so.

Why? Scotland is less than 10% of the population, and, depending on who you listen to, is either a small benefit to the UK economy overall, or a small cost.

Even if Wales and Wessex were to leave as well, that would barely make a dent in the UK economy.


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