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Oink Jun 18th 2011 4:29 pm

Re: I hate the Bruins
 

Originally Posted by Alan2005 (Post 9441705)
I don't see why premeditated means that somehow this 'isn't vancouver' or that these people 'aren't hockey fans' None of these things are mutually exclusive. This is what I find irritating about the no "true" hockey fans narrative that you see here and elsewhere.



I think all that passive-aggressivenes finally became aggressive.

peas Jun 19th 2011 1:09 am

Re: I hate the Bruins
 

Originally Posted by London Mike (Post 9441740)
The point I was making is that 'the many' lost their sense of who they were 9-5 in the melee of that evening, what values they normally have, whether they believe in that kind of behaviour normally at all. These were quite probably hockey fans and Vancouverites. It's understandable to feel disgusted, but it's not a Vancouver problem at all. With the right conditions it can happen anywhere.

Exactly.

That's what I was saying when I admitted earlier that if I was there, the crowd was 'right,' was 20, full of alcohol, etc... I could have easily been one of them, even though otherwise I'm a decent person.... which I am but I'm also aware that people aren't so black and white and people do **** up.

<off to kick canes out from under the local cotton-tops>

canadian_critic Jun 19th 2011 8:14 am

Re: I hate the Bruins
 

Originally Posted by Oink (Post 9441866)
I think all that passive-aggressivenes finally became aggressive.

Yep - my words exactly. In fact I said something like "well, this is what happens when they run out of passive" as I was filming the events from my apartment. Still, looting sears - seriously no taste

canadian_critic Jun 19th 2011 8:30 am

Re: I hate the Bruins
 

Originally Posted by The4BellsLondon (Post 9441355)
aha- you see, I have been brain aching thinking maybe i am on a different planet but the kids here seem genuine. Several people that know where I live have commented after the event - ooh Commercial must have been full on , bet they rioted there on wednesday too - nope , all quiet on the eastern front (they were probably looting dt ;) )

Yes I should clarify that I am not making comments about EV. Not lived in EV long enough, although had nothing but good experiences. Frustrating that it has a bad reputation, yet no doubt made by others who don't live here. Yet it has a fair number of drop-outs, tramps, street people, whatever you want to call them. Unlike most in my apartment, I do not enter / exit East Van in an armoured Hummer, but often on foot, often at night with my kids. I have yet to feel threatened. There is ample police presence but not overbearing, just about right. Plenty of less fortunate who just blend in. Quite a few beggers congregate on the intersection immediately beside my place, but having seen them a few times, they've dropped the request for cash, and sometimes even exchange a greeting.

I was up in a park on Wall Street, and there were a group of adults sitting on a bench, chatting and drinking. My kids started playing with a jack russell belonging to one of them. The guy introduced himself and to his friends. Certainly a pretty friendly and totally harmless bunch. Of course drinking in public is more of a taboo here, but I was thinking afterwards how I'd have judged the same in Britain. Just a bunch of adults having a drink. Completely tolerated but the same thing in essence, apart from the complete disregard for the law, but it's a silly one so I'll drink to giving silly laws the finger.

Coming back to my original point, my worst experiences as a parent relate to North and West Van. Actually life got a lot more boring, and social interaction took a nose dive when I moved out there. Became more interesting in a good way now I've moved back. Oh, also the weather is infinitely nicer in downtown area. It really does rain more on the North Shore.

ExKiwilass Jun 19th 2011 8:49 am

Re: I hate the Bruins
 

Originally Posted by canadian_critic (Post 9442968)
Yes I should clarify that I am not making comments about EV. Not lived in EV long enough, although had nothing but good experiences. Frustrating that it has a bad reputation, yet no doubt made by others who don't live here. Yet it has a fair number of drop-outs, tramps, street people, whatever you want to call them. Unlike most in my apartment, I do not enter / exit East Van in an armoured Hummer, but often on foot, often at night with my kids. I have yet to feel threatened. There is ample police presence but not overbearing, just about right. Plenty of less fortunate who just blend in. Quite a few beggers congregate on the intersection immediately beside my place, but having seen them a few times, they've dropped the request for cash, and sometimes even exchange a greeting.

I was up in a park on Wall Street, and there were a group of adults sitting on a bench, chatting and drinking. My kids started playing with a jack russell belonging to one of them. The guy introduced himself and to his friends. Certainly a pretty friendly and totally harmless bunch. Of course drinking in public is more of a taboo here, but I was thinking afterwards how I'd have judged the same in Britain. Just a bunch of adults having a drink. Completely tolerated but the same thing in essence, apart from the complete disregard for the law, but it's a silly one so I'll drink to giving silly laws the finger.

Coming back to my original point, my worst experiences as a parent relate to North and West Van. Actually life got a lot more boring, and social interaction took a nose dive when I moved out there. Became more interesting in a good way now I've moved back. Oh, also the weather is infinitely nicer in downtown area. It really does rain more on the North Shore.

:thumbsup: Finally someone else who gets it!

bandrui Jun 19th 2011 6:00 pm

Re: I hate the Bruins
 

Originally Posted by Kiwilass (Post 9441726)

Not sure why Toronto papers are being quoted on a Vancouver story. :thumbdown:

dbd33 Jun 19th 2011 10:27 pm

Re: I hate the Bruins
 

Originally Posted by bandrui (Post 9443604)
Not sure why Toronto papers are being quoted on a Vancouver story. :thumbdown:

The Globe isn't a Toronto paper. It's a good a "Canadian" paper as exists.

peas Jun 20th 2011 12:38 am

Re: I hate the Bruins
 

Originally Posted by dbd33 (Post 9443981)
The Globe isn't a Toronto paper. It's a good a "Canadian" paper as exists.


But, from a BC point of view, it's still a Toronto paper.

dbd33 Jun 20th 2011 1:06 am

Re: I hate the Bruins
 

Originally Posted by peas (Post 9444275)
But, from a BC point of view, it's still a Toronto paper.

How curiously parochial.

peas Jun 20th 2011 1:12 am

Re: I hate the Bruins
 

Originally Posted by dbd33 (Post 9444337)
How curiously parochial.

Haha... you always find a way to add a dig.

el_richo Jun 20th 2011 3:46 am

Re: I hate the Bruins
 

Originally Posted by bandrui (Post 9443604)
Not sure why Toronto papers are being quoted on a Vancouver story. :thumbdown:

Cos it's a valid article with very good points that shit all over some of the stuff you say :thumbup:

ExKiwilass Jun 20th 2011 3:49 am

Re: I hate the Bruins
 

Originally Posted by bandrui (Post 9443604)
Not sure why Toronto papers are being quoted on a Vancouver story. :thumbdown:

I quoted this article because I thought it was the most honest one written so far. Who cares where it's from? HOw do you know the author isn't a Vancouverite? That is taking parochialism to a ridiculous level.

:thumbup:

ExKiwilass Jun 20th 2011 3:51 am

Re: I hate the Bruins
 

Originally Posted by peas (Post 9444275)
But, from a BC point of view, it's still a Toronto paper.

I believe the G&M is gathering fans here...

ExKiwilass Jun 20th 2011 3:51 am

Re: I hate the Bruins
 

Originally Posted by el_richo (Post 9444583)
Cos it's a valid article with very good points that shit all over some of the stuff you say :thumbup:

yeah and that too! :wub:

Steve_P Jun 20th 2011 3:52 am

Re: I hate the Bruins
 
It appears that the reaction to the riot is now swinging to the extreme and is just as worrying if not more so than the riot itself.


Home-made "Wanted" posters on Facebook. A user-generated "Vancouver 2011 Riot Criminal List" on Tumblr. Tweeted calls for employers to fire people spotted in online footage.


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